MrAndyLau,
Lost?
I've not come across where I lost 13 decisions in a row. If this ever happens, I really dont know how should
I recoup back my loses of 2300. But in reality, I've NOT lost!!
Even though comes the day if I were to lost all 13 decisions, it's still fine with me coz, I've been collecting
many many folds of 2300 and losing back once, is absolutely fine!
About your questions, flat bet .. NEVER flat bet. Flat bet will never bring you anywhere. Eventually, by flat-betting
alone, you will lose. Is just a matter of time.
Whether it's Martingale or Anti-Martingale, it's DISASTER!
You were saying keep doubling up as you are winning, this method of play is really harmful. If you lose 1 decision,
you gave back what you have collected + your initial RM100 capital. So you are back to square one again!

Think .. think...

Sorry, I will NOT reveal my full game plan and I dont intend to sell it either.
You just gotta put in lots lots of effort and willing to risk $$$ in order to succeed.

Maybe, one of my added advantage is I'm a very talented computer programmer. I can just program anything,
any logic, any system in the world. I've written at least 100++ simulation programs on baccarat and tested countless of hours
just to get to what I am today. I've have at least 300+ gambling ebooks (some purchase, some trade-off) and study all
of them to get ideas. Then combine these ideas from various authors and put it into a computer program and test.
If one combinations is not working, keep looking for others combination i.e. be it money management/ bet selection/ progression.

So you see, it's certainly no easy work. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I want to tell you it's possible to
find a way to beat EVEN CHANCE game consistently.

I was at genting last night. Made my target of 10 units in 1.5 hours and went home.

Happy winnings...

if u hav enough $
gamble like this lo
1-2-4-8-16 and so on
once u win u leave

need more tips please together fatt

hlkhoo can follow u up genting, observe u play? hehe

13 progression and cost only 2300, with rm100 each winning?

Are you playing with 1 pays 6? If 1 pay 1(odd-even), how could that be?

Mr Khoo (hlkhoo)

Based on what you had summarized, you have prepare 2300 units as capital. You are anti flat bet during lose, but you anti-martingale as well, so i guess when you lose, you keep add up ante but not as crazy as martingale way of 1,2,4,8,16 maybe in a mild way such as 1,1,1,2,3,5.8.... since you are not using martingale system, if you had accumulated lose 10 hands in a row and win on hand 11th, you still lose a lot from hand 1st till 10th, maybe you are waiting to win x hands in a row just to recover back all the lose plus one or more unit as target win. In order to do that, since you are anti reverse martingale as well, i guess you execute the reverse martingale in a more save way such as 1,2,2,4,7,13... or whatever...

This is merely my prediction on your method of playing...please comment on my prediction whether am i right or close to your actual action plan, or am i totally deviate from your method...thanks a lot and have a nice day...

haha.. you guys keep thinking of a martingale system. If you still look from
that angle, you will never find 13 progression!!
some of you say FATT together? I'm already kind enough to show you the
first step and also the right way to develop a 13 step progression.
All you need is to put in the hard work like what I did.
I dont think anyone in this forum has even tried 1% of what I did. So, again,
you really got to work it out.
If you manage to find the answers, congratulation. Otherwise, it will never be
FOREVER!
Follow me to genting & observe me play?
Well, I'm not trying to be selfish here. Otherwise I would not have given you
so much tips. This is something I work very very hard and I beleive I have
the right NOT to reveal it.

AndyLau... you are on the right track but if you go for 1,2,2,4,7,13 (for 13 step progression) it can be very very steep!
Keep working on your string & refine them...
good work!!

THANKS MR KHOO (HLKHOO), I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO REVEAL YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY COOKED FOR OUR LUNCH,PREPARED THE SPOON, FORK, CHOPSTICK AND ITS NOT FAIR WE WANT YOU TO FEED US STRAIGHT TO THE MOUTH...

HERE I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE A GOOD SYSTEM:

1) WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER LOSING STREAK SUCH AS -,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,- OF TOTAL 12 HANDS, YOU SYSTEM SHOULD ABLE TO SUSTAIN IT...MEANING NOT LIKE MARTINGALE 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048 WHICH ALREADY LOSING DAMN LOT WHICH EXCEED TABLE LIMIT!!!

2) WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER NOT SO LUCKY STREAK SUCH AS -,-,+,-,-,-,+,+,-,-, YOUR SYSTEM WOULD NOT BE HURT A LOT...MEANING THAT IF YOU UNSUCCESSFUL DOUBLE UP AFTER WIN.

3) WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER GOOD LUCK STREAK SUCH AS +++,--,++++,--,++++,---,+++ DO YOUR SYSTEM REALLY WIN YOU A LOT TO RECOVER ALL ACCUMULATED LOSS??

SO MY SUGGESTION ON GOOD SYSTEM IS THAT:
1) SLOWLY PROGRESS DURING LOSS (BAD STREAM TIME), USE 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6 IS NOT A BAD CHOICE.

2) WINNING TWO HANDS IN A ROW SHOULD COVER CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ACCUMULATED LOSS...ITS EASY TO WIN 2 HANDS IN A ROW COMPARE TO THREE HANDS AND ABOVE...I MEANS I DIDN'T TRUST TOO MUCH OF WINNING 3 HANDS IN A ROW OR ABOVE IN THE NEXT HAND...

3) WHEN THE LUCK COMES, YOU MUST CATCH IT...BUT HOW??? FOR EXAMPLE, WINNING TWO HANDS IN A ROW SHOULD RECOVER BACK 60% OF ACCUMULATED LOSE, SO FIRST HAND SHOULD PUT 20% OF TOTAL ACCUMULATED LOSE ANTE, THE SECOND HAND SHOULD PUT 40% OF TOTAL ACCUMULATED LOSE ANTE, I DIDN'T TRUST THIRD HANDS ONWARD, SO THIRD HAND I ONLY BET 10% OF TOTAL ACCUMULATED LOSE AND IF I STILL WIN, IN THE FORTH HAND I PUT REMAINING 30% OF TOTAL LOSE...IF I MANAGE WIN FOUR HAND IN A ROW, I RECOVER BACK ALL LOSE...IF I MANAGE WIN THREE HANDS IN A ROW, I STILL ABLE RECOVER 40% OF TOTAL LOSE, IF I MANAGE WIN TWO HANDS ONLY, I STILL ABLE RECOVER 50% ACCUMULATED LOSE, IF I NOT MANAGE WIN TWO HANDS, I ONLY SUFFER 20% FURTHER ACCUMULATED LOSE...

I HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP IMPROVE THE ABOVE SYSTEM BY OFFERING YOUR VALUBLE ADVICE...

sifu
please teach me how.

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Added on January 5, 2008, 2:13 pmandy try the fibonacci number derived from the pascal triangle

This post has been edited by hatekiasuppl: Jan 5 2008, 02:18 PM

Well, you can't conclude that some other methods such as martiganle is disaster.

While using martiganle: 1,2,4,8,16,32.. if you lose 4 streaks in a row, you can still recover and win on the 5th.

Whereas, 1,2,2,4,7,13.. you are safer, but if you lose 4 streaks in a row and win on the 5th, you are still losing.

That's depends on your luck and the greater the risk(such as martiganle) the higher the return or otherwise.

Hi mr khoo

Just want to clarify something.

U mentioned that your money management able to withstand 13 streaks using RM2300 as a capital, which really impressive.

But, Rm100 each winning, it is between first, second and third game? While on the 4th games onwards until 13th games, you already start losing money till 13th streak of losing, all 2300 gone? Or still wining from 1st-12th games and loses all on the 13th ? Which quite impossible.

Thanks.

There is no such thing as 13 step progression. if so easy to win no need to work already. and always stay at genting and win everyday already. Tempted bcos sure win with 13 step progression. Every 1.5 hours win Rm1k if play 24 hrs must have been winning alot. why have to work anymore.

Bcos wining always tell people win how much but very seldom people lose and talk about it. If so easy to win with 13 step progression, i become full timer they gambling already loh bcos sure win mah. majority of the time win what.

each day win Rm10k above in one month time rm300k.

there is no such thing as 13 step progression which use only Rm2300.

there is a 21 step progression which is for sure win and use Rm3k as capital do u believe it.

So far, only AndyLau has the closest answers to how I played. But still NOT perfect yet.
Trust me, you can still further improve your progression string.
If you can recall my 1st post, I gave out 2 tips. The first one is money management
and 2nd one is using random to beat randomness.
You are pretty close on the 1st one in terms of your progression string and now, you need
to work on 2nd point - Randomness!! Once you got a good grip of "using random to beat random",
you should be very confident in your bet selection.

Topman, if you say 1,2,4,8,16,32,64, 128 is not a disaster, go ahead and try betting this way.
I bet, you will burn before you even taste victory! As usual I just came back from
Genting and I made my normal 10 units. Today was quite a bad run for me. There were
3 times I stretched my progression up the 9 steps. If you were playing at the same table
with me today, you will loose 255 x 3 (because 3 times it went to 8th step progression) x 100 = 76,500.00.
All this happens within 2 shoes in approx 2 hours!!

MLPK, with all respect, I dont think you fully understand the gambling world works.
I've been winning like this for the past 2 years and why I only pocket 10 units each time?
Why not 20 or 30? I'm sure I can if I want. BUT, I have to lay low.
The reason for this is, I dont want to casino to bar me from entering. Casino
have the rights to bar anyone from entering without having to give any reasons. Assuming everyday if I were to
win by the tens of thousands, I'm sure, I would have been barred by now.
I still need need my 9 - 5 job. Why? Because when I buy a car/house, I need to get loan
just like anyone else. If without a job, that means I gotta win more in casino and that I will
be exposing myself and waiting to be barred! I'm living a comfortable live since I discovered
this method and I dont mind an extra 16K - 20K a month as my side income.
If you still think 13 step progression is NOT possbile, then it's really up to you. I'm not here
to prove anything. I just want to tell people it's possible to win consistently in gambling.

This will be my final post as I believe I give out sifficient tips to everyone here and it's up to
you catch the idea. If you manage to do it, it will be very very good for you and also your loves
one. If you cant decipher the code, then, I'm sorry. Just treat it as though you have not seen
my post at all.

Good luck everyone... Oops, sorry. I dont need luck. I need maths!!

Sign-off...

that mean random vs randomness is within a shoe which consist of 60 hands not every hand u play only the one with confident only. with different denomination.

if u want to play big and no need to be bar by genting, got ways to invite to VIP or VVIP section to play. winning few hundred thousand is nothing over there. Genting is open for people to win or lost and only will barr those whose is cheating only. Not to worry. Plenty of money to win.



This post has been edited by mlpk: Jan 5 2008, 07:42 PM

ITS REALLY HARD TO DECIPHER MR KHOO'S MESSAGE-->USING RANDOM TO BEAT RANDOMNESS....DOES RANDOM MEAN PLAYING ONE SIDE ONLY SUCH AS PLAYING PLAYER HAND ONLY ON BACCARAT TO AVOID B6 TRAP?? IN THE INDEPENDENT HAND OF GAME LIKE BACCARAT, HOW RANDOM DO WE NEED???

MR KHOO, ARE YOU PLAYING BANKER HAND IN BACCARAT, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT BANKER HAND WINNING ON 6 WHICH PAY ONLY HALF OF THE BET WILL GREATLY AFFECTED OUR PROGRESSION!!!

I DO REALLY HOPE MR KHOO YOU WILL SIGN ON BACK...NOT BECAUSE WE EAGERLY WANT TO KNOW YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM, WE NEED SOME OF YOUR VALUABLE ADVICE TO CORRECT OUR MISTAKE...

i got one way to win money from genting.... but dont know u dare or not to try it out only. last time got a rumour saying 1 woman, she throw some sweet under the table when she gambling and win some buck.... but at the end found out by captain and take her into room. i heard those sweet is for 'guai chai' or toyol to help her win money.

This post has been edited by outsider: Jan 5 2008, 09:04 PM

POLIS KATA JANGAN!tak halal

I WOULD SUMMARIZE AGAIN...

FIRST HAND=100
FROM HAND 2ND TILL 12TH=2200

FROM HERE WE CAN SEE THE FIRST HAND HE PUT RM100, FROM HAND SECOND TILL 12TH HE RISK OUT 2200, IN OHTER WORDS, IN CASE HE LOSE 13 HANDS IN A ROW, HE LOSE OUT RM2300...

SO HOW DOES HE SET THE ANTE FROM HAND 2 TILL 12...THE ADD UP SHOULD BE RM2200...

IF THE FIRST HAND HE LOSE, LOSE RM100
2ND HAND, HE MAY PUT 100 LOSE AGAIN, ACCUMULATED LOSE 200
3RD HAND MAYBE PUT 100, IF WIN PUT 200, IF DOUBLE UP SUCCESS, STILL WIN RM100. IF NOT, ACCUMULATED LOSE 300.

HAND 4TH TILL 12 STILL THINKING.....

SO HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, HE DID NOT USE MARTINGALE, SO WINNING LET SAID ON HAND 13TH DEFINITELY ONLY COVER PORTION OF ACCUMULATED LOSE...MEANING HIS METHOD DEPEND HEAVILY ON WINNING X HANDS IN A ROW...THE X SHOULD BE AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE...MAYBE 2 AT MOST 3.

THE REASON I SAID THIS IS BECAUSE RM2200 NEED TO BE SHARE UP FOR HAND 2 TILL 13...IT IS A BIT HIGHER THAN FLAT BET ONLY DURING BAD STREAK TIME.....

STILL THINKING THE REST RANDOM VS RANDOMNESS....PROGRESSION....

Maybe this will help
http://www.baccaratvip.com/fibonacci.html

EDIT: Re-read hlkhoo's post and he mentioned it's not fibo....

This post has been edited by jye'n: Jan 5 2008, 09:52 PM