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post Aug 26 2020, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Walzor @ Aug 26 2020, 11:56 AM)
Hi Keith, appreciate your reply! Helps a lot!  thumbup.gif

Yes, I am a female seeking to upgrade my insurance plan. Also, I want to ask why does AIA CI only cover 39 illnesses? while PRU covers more (45, if not wrong?) Does the extras have a difference?

From your professional stand point, you mentioned that the MAIN DIFFERENCE lies in the CI claimable payout, does it matter if its 30/60/100 ration vs multiple times???

So, all in all, which would you recommend to go with? Given the 2 plans that I've inputted, yet I am still unsure.
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Certain companies do offer more coverage on certain extra "Critical Illness" beside the usual 36 types. It's always a plus to have insurance company to cover more.

Nowadays you can even cover up to 77 types (Allianz).

Early CI and Multi CI are 2 totally different types of animal category.

Early CI concerns on paying out in the event of early stages of Critical Illness to cover some of your pocket money (most of the time you won't be dead so fast if it's early stage)

Whereas Multi CI concerns on covering you long term if you do succumb to different category of Critical Illness. Most of the time, normal CI payout without the word "Multi" only payout once and that's it. Whereas Multi CI allows you to claim multiple times, sometimes between 3 - 4x depending on the benefit add-on.

Also I forgot to point out that Pru's Multi CI covers early stage as well, the payout is 50/50/100 (Low/Mild/Severe)

The benefit for Pru is very good especially in the area of CI (Up to 400% Sum Assured)

Both are good plans, but unless you die die want female coverage then you need to forgo the Multi Early CI coverage for a one time off Early CI payout.

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post Aug 27 2020, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(culvers @ Aug 27 2020, 01:48 PM)
What's the difference between critical illness payable and medical coverage?

Let's say someone is diagnosed with cancer and needed surgery. So that person gets paid a lump sum from critical illness rider and then also can claim the surgical cost from medical coverage rider?

Also from Allianz medisafe, it comes with deductible option:

• Zero Deductible (Base Plan); or
• RM5,000, RM10,000 or RM30,000 per Policy Year
with Retirement Option at age 60

What does this mean?
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Medical insurance purposes is to cover for anything related to hospitalization fees

Critical illness insurance provides a lump sum payout for critical illness event as a form of survival income to sustain their lifestyle while they recover from their illnesses.

A Deductible is the amount you have to pay first before the balance of the hospitalization fee is paid by the insurance company.

If you have selected a RM10, 000 Deductible, it means you have to pay the RM10, 000 first before the rest is paid by the insurance company.

- With retirement option means your policy may come with deductible until the age of 60 whereby your policy will be converted to a Zero Deductible policy. It's an option applicable for people who have some existing insurance or company insurance but also wish to maintain a personal insurance but not having to pay the full price premium for it until they are age 60.

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post Aug 27 2020, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Aug 27 2020, 08:20 PM)
Hi  everyone, im interested to get health insurance from AIA/GE/Allianz and i have mild scoliosis. I had never receive any treatment about my condition. May i know what are the exact exclusions that insurance company will impose on my contract? thanks
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For Scoliosis, exclusion will be applied for any complication related to spine.
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post Aug 27 2020, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Aug 27 2020, 10:46 PM)
means it depends on doctor? if doctor say the illness is caused by spine, then it is not covered. if doctor say it is not caused by spine, then insurance will cover?
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Correct.
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post Aug 28 2020, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Aug 28 2020, 07:18 PM)
will insurance company requires me to do an x ray?
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No need
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post Aug 30 2020, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(objectifyme @ Aug 30 2020, 06:09 AM)
Hi, everyone. I'm looking for the best overall value here. Hoping someone could make some recommendations. smile.gif

1. I'm 29 and a non-smoker.
2. I'm looking for coverage of at least 500K to 1M.
3. I'm deciding between a standalone medical card + term life insurance or a comprehensive life insurance plan. As I'm aware, the first option may not offer cash value, and that's fine with me as long as the overall yearly premium is low. On the other hand, if the premium to obtain cash value is not much higher than the first option, I'm willing to fork out extra.
4. I'm looking for around 20y to 30y coverage, depending on which is more cost-effective (ie perhaps there are discounts offered for longer coverage).
5. The purpose of coverage is to cover mortgage repayments and living expenses.

Of course, if there are better options out there to what I've proposed, I'm more than happy to consider them. Thanks very much.
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If you intend to take term life, you can go directly online to buy it though it’s capped at 500k per policy.

For comprehensive plans, it’s best to find a financial planner to do the proper discussion and implement the necessary suggested plans once you’re okay with it.


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post Aug 30 2020, 12:48 PM

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Unfortunately specialised insurance like specifically for Hands, Face, Butt or other areas of bodies are not really sold in Malaysia. But it is sold in other countries where the individuals deem it is a very important asset for them to insure due to their career.

The area that is covered for Malaysia for body parts now are in the area of Accident where loss of limb is applicable.

In general term, TPD may be fulfilled by one of these occurrences:

1. The person is not able to do any work, business, occupation or profession to earn any wages, compensation or profit.

2. Total loss of the sight of both eyes.

3. Loss of use of two limbs above wrist or ankle.

4. The person is not able to perform at least 3 Activities of Daily Living (ADL) without the assistance of another person.

What's the Definition of Activities of Daily Living?

1. Bathing/Washing - The ability to wash in the bath or shower (including getting in or out of the bath or shower) or wash by any other means.

2. Dressing - Putting on and taking off all necessary items of clothing without requiring assistance of another person.

3. Eating - All tasks of getting food into the body once it has been prepared.

4. Mobility - The ability to move from room to room without requiring any physical assistance.

5. Transfer - Getting in and out of a chair without requiring physical assistance.

6. Continence - The ability to voluntarily control bowel and bladder functions such as to maintain personal hygiene.

General Exclusions on TPD applies

If your Total and Permanent Disability is caused directly or indirectly, wholly or partly, by any of the following occurrences:

1. Any self-inflicted injuries while sane or insane
2. Travel or flight in or on any type of aircraft except on a regular scheduled passenger flight of a commercial aircraft
3. Any activities of a military nature whilst being engaged in military service in time of declared or undeclared war whilst under orders for warlike operations or restoration of public order
4. War, civil war, invasion, act of foreign enemy, warlike actions (whether war be declared or not), including accidental explosion and/or deliberate explosion of weapons of war, during war or directly as a result of previous war
5. Pre-existing illness
6. Being involved in unlawful act
7. Being under the influence of any alcohol, narcotic and/or drug



Payout for Personal Accident that consist of lost of limb depends on which body part is lost which will be based on a payment schedule, these kind of policies does not require the lost of both limbs unlike TPD's clause.

Do you need a Personal Accident coverage ? Yes and No depending on your type of occupation, if you ride motorbike a lot then yes it's very important as the risk of accident on the road in Malaysia is very high.

What if you're desk bound ? Having some kind of personal accident could come in handy as it's also inexpensive for a high coverage. But if you feel that it's unnecessary, you don't have to get it.


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post Sep 3 2020, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(AnasM @ Aug 30 2020, 03:25 PM)
MY got sell insurance for eyes?
If wan do eyes laser OPTIMAX surgery but scare got side effect or blind so want to buy insurance cover
How much?
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For hospitalization wise, it's not covered since it's an elective surgery

QUOTE(chockie @ Sep 3 2020, 10:14 AM)
HLA is increasing my premium by 2 times of what I am paying now if I want to be covered until 100yrs old. When I first bought it, the coverage is meant for up to 100yrs old but recently my agent told me that with current projection, the coverage is until 60yrs old only. Is other insurance company also increasing the premium annually?
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If your policy was bought prior to Jun 2019. Insurance companies were not required to disclose how long your policy was sustainable within your policy.

They only show your term of coverage which is "up to age 100".

With the new guideline by BNM to insurance company, you are able to see that your sustainability is only until "age 60" instead of "age 100".

So there you go.

As for any other insurance company, Great Eastern had increased it's premium recently, up to 35% depending on the plan selected.
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post Sep 3 2020, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(chockie @ Sep 3 2020, 10:45 AM)
Appreciate the feedback. Is it okay if I don't top up now and do it maybe 2~3 years later? Mine is mainly medical card and the increase is insane, more than twice of what I am currently paying.
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Yea you can do so as it's not compulsory for you to do any top up immediately as it's just a recommendation by the insurance company.

Just bear in the mind that the required top up may be higher in 2 - 3 years time than the current recommended amount as you've lost 2 - 3 years of time as well for the insurance company to make returns of investments into your account.
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post Sep 5 2020, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 5 2020, 05:06 PM)
I've just terminate my insurance plan because of ILP. I know that I need to wait another 12 months to apply (was told by my ex-agent). Then another insurance agent say I can apply new plan anytime. Is it true?
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If you decide to buy back a new policy with the same insurance company you just cancelled on, the agent won’t get any commission

If you decide to buy with another agent from another company, then the new agent won’t be affected
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post Sep 6 2020, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Sep 6 2020, 01:05 PM)
I applied medical insurance from Manulife for my sister who is OKU in Intelektual and the underwriter at first requested for

1. Statement for their panel doctor
2. Statement from usual visit doctor

During this process, I have visited the doctors many times because of human mistake etc...

Then now, they asked again to do blood test. I wonder why don't they request it once at all and not one by one. I have spent may times in bring my sister to do all of these.

How about if after done all this, they rejected? This is business and I pay the insurance premium for them to "insure" one.

Hence, I am looking for others companies which can access all at once without spending my time to do one by one.

Please PM me.
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There is no such insurance company that ask for everything in one shot.

The insurance underwriter will get a few reports first that is deemed necessary. If they need further investigation, they will request for follow up check up
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QUOTE(vknight @ Sep 6 2020, 04:58 PM)
Hi

Just found the forum. Can anyone help me with below query:

1. I find that Allianz explicitly states it covers the below for the cancer treatment

targeted therapy,
hormonal therapy
& immunotherapy

Any other insurance company covers the above treatment?
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If spelled out explicitly in brochure, only Allianz so far.

QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Sep 6 2020, 05:08 PM)
Guys, im in my late 30s. Can suggest me the best insurance + saving plan?
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Depending on your budget and lifestyle. Budget starts from 200 monthly minimum.

For a more comprehensive coverage will require a discussion to find out what you need to cover and how much to cover exactly.
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post Sep 6 2020, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 6 2020, 05:10 PM)
googled and found 2 more,...i am sure there are many others too....
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These are mentioned within the PDS.

For such treatment, if its not mentioned explicitly, certain companies may only cover it on a case to case basis.

However its good to have it spelled out explicitly so that newer treatments are covered as well.

Thanks again for googling
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QUOTE(tan71500 @ Sep 6 2020, 08:07 PM)
I asked AIA  the same question before, and this is the reply from AIA customer service, hope it helps smile.gif

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That’s informational!

Thanks for sharing
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post Sep 6 2020, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(e-Shagger @ Sep 6 2020, 09:32 PM)
Hi sifus. I'm new to this thread and I'm just wondering if anyone can give me an opinion about Great Eastern's Great Flexi Wealth. I understand that there's a cash guarantee bonus of 17% per annum for first 10 years and 33% per annum for second 10 years, but how secured is the monthly capital I put in for the first 10 years?
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This is an endowment plan which means you will only see your money back in 20 years time.

Return wise, 1 - 5% per annum.

How secured ? No guarantee.
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QUOTE(yoomie @ Sep 7 2020, 11:09 AM)
Hey.. Anyone can give me an opinion about A-Plus Health vs MediSafe Infinite+ ? FYR, I'm 27, healthy, no smoking, no drinking, but family history got cancer.. prefer high annual limit + no lifetime limit with low premium (if possible).. I've tried to compare between two, but too complicated for me..haihh.. any sifu can give opinion between two? thanks so much!
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Allianz Medisafe Infinite

AIA A Plus Health

Here's the link for your read up

nod.gif as for which plan to go with ? why not get an input from an independent financial advisor ?
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QUOTE(Ecnerettee @ Sep 8 2020, 12:05 PM)
Hi sifu sifu sekalian,

Looking to seek for some advise, some background information before I start, I'm looking for a basic stand-alone medical card for myself and my parents.

I'm 26, company insurance previously AIA, now MetLife, limit up to 25k per year per disability.

Mum is 65 (non smoker) and Dad is 68, Smoker.

After going through a number of medical card, I have stumbled upon RHB Medisure Supreme that seems cheap for what they cover, exclusions, good annual and lifetime limit and I can opt for 20k deductible option, but I have a few questions and would love to have some advise.

1. Any opinion on this medical card compared to other companies? It seems they outsource their admission/claiming process for the cashless plan to Asia Assistance. Any feedback? Are they good? not good? hassle to deal with etc?

2. In case touch-wood, in case of admission, and assuming I have 20k deductible, can i claim from my company insurance first, then the remaining I use RHB's medical card?

3. in case of medical inflation in next 10-20 years and my annual limit is no longer enough, can I buy another medical card from same OR another company and combine? I spoke to a friend from Prudential recently and she mentioned that if I have 2 medical cards, and despite being cashless, the first one I don't have to pay but if exceeded and require to use the 2nd one, i will have to pay first and claim later. Not sure if it applies to RHB and i read the policy, nowhere it states this.

Her are the links

https://www.rhbgroup.com/files/insurance/pe...ure%20Sheet.pdf

https://www.rhbgroup.com/files/insurance/pe...y%20Wording.pdf

https://asia-assistance.com/PDF/WebPanelClinic.pdf

Thanks very much biggrin.gif Please forgive me if I have missed out anything important, all advises are really appreciated.
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1. So far so good

2. You can do so

3. You can claim from both insurance company for the medical card, as long as it exceed one's limit, just that you can't perform double claim.
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QUOTE(Ecnerettee @ Sep 8 2020, 12:12 PM)
so for number 3. if cashless plan, do i have to pay any of them first and wait for reimbursement later?

Also any feedbacks/experience on the process dealing with Asia Assistance?
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Cashless plan no need, unless for outpatient basis. (Accident/Cancer/Kidney Treatment)

So far no issues, claims are timely.
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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Sep 9 2020, 09:04 AM)
For a fresh graduate, which should be the priority - medical insurance or term/whole life insurance? Getting both could be too much on the wallet, until salary increases or employer provides medical.
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Medical first if you don’t have one and not covered by your employer

Life / disability if you have dependent who survive on your salary and also to provide yourself an income if you are disabled


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post Sep 10 2020, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Sep 10 2020, 08:03 PM)
I would like to ask about Allianz medical card:

1) It is mentioned that examination, consultation and take home drugs are covered under outpatient cancer treatment benefits. Are routine medical check up and examinations performed every year after diagnosed with cancer covered?

2) outpatient physiotherapy can claim within 180 days following discharge from hospital?

Thanks
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1. As long as it's within the scope of consultation, examination tests or prescribed takehome drugs purposes, it is claimable. My assumption on your "routine check up" falls under "Consultation" Category. So to answer your question, it's claimable.

2. Yes, start on the discharge date from hospital.

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