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nxtpg
post Jul 23 2020, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Jul 23 2020, 11:47 AM)
Standalone for male age 49, 1971, is estimated to be around RM1.7k annually with 1 million annual limit.
There are a few ways to do this.

1) You cancel this policy and get a second medical policy. Remember to pay for both policies for at least 120 days for the waiting period just to be safe.
2) You keep this policy and get a second policy with deductible of RM50k. The first 50k hospital expenses would be paid by the first policy and the remaining would be paid by the second. This option might be cheaper than the first option.
For life insurance, the ideal coverage is roughly to be 10 times of your annual income. If your budget allows you to continue these life insurance policies, then you should continue. I agree with you that your medical insurance is on the low side considering 50k annual limit is very limited in today's medical expenses.
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what is this deductible insurance? not all insurance act like it?
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post Jul 23 2020, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 12:13 PM)
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what is this deductible insurance? not all insurance act like it?
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A deductible is a fixed amount (cost) that you need to pay for your hospitalization bill before the balance is paid by the insurance company. Depending on how much deductible you've chosen for your insurance plan.

Insurance company will normally give you a % discount on your premium payable, the higher the deductible, the higher the discount, but bear in mind also the higher amount you need to pay upfront to the hospital.

If you have an existing card then you may choose to pick a deductible on the 2nd card to save on the cost, however you will need to do some extra paper work to file for the claim with 2 insurance companies.

Also not all insurance offers high deductible options up to 50k.

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Here's an illustration of how deductible works, credit @ringgitplus

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jul 23 2020, 12:21 PM
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post Jul 23 2020, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 23 2020, 12:17 PM)
A deductible is a fixed amount (cost) that you need to pay for your hospitalization bill before the balance is paid by the insurance company. Depending on how much deductible you've chosen for your insurance plan.

Insurance company will normally give you a % discount on your premium payable, the higher the deductible, the higher the discount, but bear in mind also the higher amount you need to pay upfront to the hospital.

If you have an existing card then you may choose to pick a deductible on the 2nd card to save on the cost, however you will need to do some extra paper work to file for the claim with 2 insurance companies.

Also not all insurance offers high deductible options up to 50k.

user posted image

Here's an illustration of how deductible works, credit @ringgitplus
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so if for the 2nd insurance , if i dont buy deductible also can rite? say the Ge covers 50K.... if not sufficient i present my second medical card then? will they accept?
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post Jul 23 2020, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 12:27 PM)
so if for the 2nd insurance , if i dont buy deductible also can rite? say the Ge covers 50K.... if not sufficient i present my second medical card then? will they accept?
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You can choose with 0 Deductible option for the 2nd card, but still have to file claim with the 2nd insurance company (if you choose to claim with your GE card 50k limit first) for the excess amount that needs to be claimed.

Hence if you want less paperwork, use only 1 card with a high annual limit. Otherwise as I've mentioned, you would be paying 2x the cost for insurance if you maintain 2 cards that has 0 deductiible.
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post Jul 23 2020, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 09:56 AM)
how to upgrade GE policy with higher coverage?

have an old policy from 2005.

Great Protectlink Insurance with IL Health Protection

Annual Coverage is only 50K
Lifetime 200K.. mana cukup

Paying rm375 x4 per year
Investment value got rm12k now

Shall i just cancel this policy and buy a new one with unnlimited Lifetime?  Or possible buy another policy as a second policy?
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I have helped my customer upgraded this policy b4 to the latest medical rider. Speaking as I’m representing this company.
You may just upgrade from great protect link by withdraw the ILHP and insert the new rider. Annually Rm990k-1.32mil and unlimited lifetime.

You need to submit a form called psf02 to declare your current health status.
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post Jul 23 2020, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Jul 23 2020, 04:21 PM)
I have helped my customer upgraded this policy b4 to the latest medical rider. Speaking as I’m representing this company.
You may just upgrade from great protect link by withdraw the ILHP and insert the new rider. Annually Rm990k-1.32mil and unlimited lifetime.

You need to submit a form called psf02 to declare your current health status.
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You are right. rclxms.gif Please assist.
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post Jul 23 2020, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Jul 23 2020, 04:21 PM)
I have helped my customer upgraded this policy b4 to the latest medical rider. Speaking as I’m representing this company.
You may just upgrade from great protect link by withdraw the ILHP and insert the new rider. Annually Rm990k-1.32mil and unlimited lifetime.

You need to submit a form called psf02 to declare your current health status.
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Thanks
The new rider will be still ilp or standalone? Is this a better option comparing to getting a new plan?

I am also looking for another 2 medical cards for wife n kid.

Currently all of us are under co group coverage rm30k per issue. So most prob get a deductible type as suggested by lifebalance
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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 06:22 PM)
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The new rider will be still ilp or standalone? Is this a better option comparing to getting a new plan?

I am also looking for another 2 medical cards for wife n kid.

Currently all of us are under co group coverage rm30k per issue. So most prob get a deductible type as suggested by lifebalance
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It will still be an ILP, basically you are dropping your existing medical rider to take on a new one, of course you may need to top up on your premium payable for the newer benefit.
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post Jul 23 2020, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 10:10 AM)

i have another 2 other policies under ge ,

Life 87 (sum assured rm75k - paying rm513x4 /year)  and

Supreme livingcare series 2 (sum assured rm52k - paying rm386x4/year) ...

all started in 2002. Shall i just leave those policies alone and keep paying..?
my concern now is on medical card ...
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Both policies would has accumulated cash value, but you can consider to enhance your life policies. This is to ensure your other risks, other than medical cost, are also adequately covered.

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Jul 23 2020, 07:55 PM)
Both policies would has accumulated cash value, but you can consider to enhance your  life policies. This is to ensure your other risks, other than medical cost,  are also adequately covered.
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Yup. Cash value is there. Not interested to enhance life policy. I have other supporting investments fully covering need for family.
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post Jul 23 2020, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 23 2020, 06:44 PM)
It will still be an ILP, basically you are dropping your existing medical rider to take on a new one, of course you may need to top up on your premium payable for the newer benefit.
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In this case, it might be better to consider a new policy- standalone policy. ILP premium is high n i rather just focus on pure health protection .
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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 08:19 PM)
In this case, it might be better to consider a new policy- standalone policy. ILP premium is high n i rather just focus on pure health protection .
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what's the average yearly premium someone will pay now? RM2k? RM3k? Heard people advising 5%-10% as a rule of thumb for the premium, will someone with 10k salary really allocate that much for insurance?
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QUOTE(truecolor @ Jul 23 2020, 10:52 PM)
what's the average yearly premium someone will pay now? RM2k? RM3k? Heard people advising 5%-10% as a rule of thumb for the premium, will someone with 10k salary really allocate that much for insurance?
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not necessary have to spend according to 5 - 10% of your monthly, as long as you know what needs to be covered in certain circumstances/events.

There is again no fixed amount or "compulsory" amount that you need to spend because you earn X amount.

Let's look into a bigger picture, if you earn RM500,000/mth, do you think you should spend RM50,000(10%) monthly on insurance ?
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QUOTE(truecolor @ Jul 23 2020, 10:52 PM)
what's the average yearly premium someone will pay now? RM2k? RM3k? Heard people advising 5%-10% as a rule of thumb for the premium, will someone with 10k salary really allocate that much for insurance?
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There is no allocation for insurance premium unlike savings, but some would want to maximise the tax relief for insurance premium.
But that should not be the reason for limiting the premium if your coverage require higher premium; and coverage depend on needs.
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post Jul 24 2020, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(truecolor @ Jul 23 2020, 10:52 PM)
what's the average yearly premium someone will pay now? RM2k? RM3k? Heard people advising 5%-10% as a rule of thumb for the premium, will someone with 10k salary really allocate that much for insurance?
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Please do not be brain-washed by certain % must buy insurance.
Certain % wages must buy insurance only good for insurance company and agent, it means your x% wages will be his/her income. biggrin.gif

It should be personal tailored based on affordability, needs, preference and situation. Not everyone needs the same insurance nor everyone can afford all insurances.




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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 09:56 AM)
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hi nxtpg, you just need to change the rider to the latest medical rider. only buy 2nd policy if you have a new needs - for example a dedicated policy just to protect your family's expenses or kid's future education.

QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 10:10 AM)
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for your case like that, it depends on looking into a proper insurance planning first, then only after that, the plans come into play to see what is really best for you. cant really give a clear advise to you without knowing your current situation and goals in life.

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hi truecolor, that rule of thumb is just in general. basically one shall look into own's financial situation and current commitments, and find out what is needed to be covered. then only after that when the plan is proposed then only we know how much premium is needed for the plan that covers your needs.
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post Jul 25 2020, 12:02 AM

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i have an investment-linked medical card. But been having second thoughts lately.

Just want to ask whether are there any companies still offering term insurance? (anything that is not investment-linked).

Reason being I trust myself doing the investment more than paying a fee for insurance company to do it.
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post Jul 25 2020, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(strategist @ Jul 25 2020, 12:02 AM)
i have an investment-linked medical card. But been having second thoughts lately.

Just want to ask whether are there any companies still offering term insurance? (anything that is not investment-linked).

Reason being I trust myself doing the investment more than paying a fee for insurance company to do it.
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There are plenty of term insurance around. If you feel so on the investment part, feel free to explore into taking a standalone instead.
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QUOTE(strategist @ Jul 25 2020, 12:02 AM)
i have an investment-linked medical card. But been having second thoughts lately.

Just want to ask whether are there any companies still offering term insurance? (anything that is not investment-linked).

Reason being I trust myself doing the investment more than paying a fee for insurance company to do it.
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Yes term life insurance & standalone medical still available.
Other than sum assured or so call coverage amount, Term life & Standalone less benefits / riders to be add.

Suggest you get quote and compare the plan / benefits till old age.

At least you can estimate the outcome in future.

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