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 Just upgraded to 300mbps unifi, Need sifus advise on best router to get

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post Feb 20 2020, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jjuggler @ Feb 20 2020, 07:58 PM)
Brother 1mr3tard3d has showed you dae way..  tongue.gif . If you want to buy an ASUS router (just incase you don't care about budget at all), I can suggest a few models for you ranging from AC86U (Wi-Fi 5 router) or if you want to futureproof your home-network, give AX56U a try. It is an entry level Wi-Fi 6 router.
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All right brother, will take note on these few model for research.
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post Feb 20 2020, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 20 2020, 09:24 PM)
All right brother, will take note on these few model for research.
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Always read on the reviews before buying. It is for your own satisfaction so that, you know, you've invested on a right gear.
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post Feb 20 2020, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Jjuggler @ Feb 20 2020, 09:46 PM)
Always read on the reviews before buying. It is for your own satisfaction so that, you know, you've invested on a right gear.
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Right on! I’ve always been like that.. want all my money well spent wink.gif
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post Feb 20 2020, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 20 2020, 11:00 PM)
Right on! I’ve always been like that.. want all my money well spent wink.gif
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ASUS is the only 'premium' consumer networking gear, that worth to spent money on.
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post Feb 20 2020, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Jjuggler @ Feb 20 2020, 11:05 PM)
ASUS is the only 'premium' consumer networking gear, that worth to spent money on.
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Just bought desktop with rog mobo and gpu biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(misspinky @ Feb 20 2020, 03:17 PM)
Your budget already passed if want to buy asus router. Just make sure choose wifi mode for 2.4GHz 802.11n only with wifi channel static whether 1/6/11, for 5GHz choose wifi mode 802.11n/ac only or 802.11ac only any wifi channel static as long not interference with your neighbour.
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Am I correct? Wifi mode as in this;

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And channel static as in this;

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Correct? Thanks..
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post Feb 21 2020, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 20 2020, 09:16 PM)
Budget around 600-900, let’s just say I just buy the lan cable to connect to my desktop, is tplink sufficient? Or does rog excel in that too?
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LAN cable will definitely takes the load of the WiFi and mush faster. The main reason is the LAN cable is full-duplex but the WiFi is simplex communication. The WIFI is like walkie-talkie, when someone talk you can only listen laugh.gif . If you have many devices on WiFi, each one have to wait for their turn smile.gif

The ROG is designed specifically for gamer since it will provide something like QoS (Quality of Service) to your game data packets. The packets will get priority. So, no delay. I bought ROD too but I don't play game laugh.gif doh.gif

I'd say for normal use, TPLink is sufficient enough.
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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 20 2020, 11:13 PM)
Just bought desktop with rog mobo and gpu biggrin.gif
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Nice. Hope you enjoy your pick.

QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 20 2020, 11:21 PM)
Am I correct? Wifi mode as in this;

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And channel static as in this;

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Correct? Thanks..
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Yes. You are correct. Try to use the channel in between 36, 40, 44, and 48, but bear in the mind, these channels often congested ya. If your router supports DFS and TPC, then you can use these channels 52, 56, 60, and 64, indeed.
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post Feb 21 2020, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 20 2020, 09:20 PM)
So to be safe, 20mhz for 2.4ghz, and 80mhz for 5ghz?
I tried standing beside connecting to 5ghz with phone supporting 300mbps but manage to get below than 100mbps, called tm service they say I’m suppose to get above 50% of the applied 300mbps..
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Yes, I'd just do that 20MHz for 2.4GHz band.

Less than 100Mbps is low. Something is not right. I think you have fixed the bandwidth to 80Mhz, right? I get around 470Mbps on my 500Mbps service with both laptop and my phone. I forget what my setting was anyway.

Since wireless is half-duplex, I guess that is why the cs said you should get above 50%, generally around 60% I believe due to protocol overhead, etc.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 21 2020, 08:11 AM)
LAN cable will definitely takes the load of the WiFi and mush faster. The main reason is the LAN cable is full-duplex but the WiFi is simplex communication. The WIFI is like walkie-talkie, when someone talk you can only listen  laugh.gif . If you have many devices on WiFi, each one have to wait for their turn  smile.gif

The ROG is designed specifically for gamer since it will provide something like QoS (Quality of Service) to your game data packets. The packets will get priority. So, no delay. I bought ROD too but I don't play game  laugh.gif  doh.gif

I'd say for normal use, TPLink is sufficient enough.
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Nice, very good example and very easy to understand. Thanks.
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post Feb 21 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Jjuggler @ Feb 21 2020, 08:11 AM)
Nice. Hope you enjoy your pick.
Yes. You are correct. Try to use the channel in between 36, 40, 44, and 48, but bear in the mind, these channels often congested ya. If your router supports DFS and TPC, then you can use these channels 52, 56, 60, and 64, indeed.
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Sorry for asking, why use 36, 40, 44 and 48? Why not use others and what’s the difference between these channels? And I’m using tplink right now how do I know if it’s support dfs nd tpc? Thank you for your time. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 21 2020, 08:22 AM)
Yes, I'd just do that 20MHz for 2.4GHz band.

Less than 100Mbps is low. Something is not right. I think you have fixed the bandwidth to 80Mhz, right? I get around 470Mbps on my 500Mbps service with both laptop and my phone. I forget what my setting was anyway.

Since wireless is half-duplex, I guess that is why the cs said you should get above 50%, generally around 60% I believe due to protocol overhead, etc.
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I have adjusted the bandwidth just now, and from 50-70mbps now I got around 100mbps which is still quite Low I think. Hm hmm.gif
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post Feb 21 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 21 2020, 10:26 AM)
Sorry for asking, why use 36, 40, 44 and 48? Why not use others and what’s the difference between these channels? And I’m using tplink right now how do I know if it’s support dfs nd tpc? Thank you for your time. notworthy.gif
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Dynamic Frequency Selection
Dynamic Frequency Selection is a channel allocation schemes specified for wireless LAN, commonly Wi-Fi. It is designed to prevent interference with other usages of the C band frequency band that had predated Wi-Fi, such as military radar, satellite communication, and weather radar. It was standardized in 2003 as part of IEEE 802.11h.

In the US and other countries, some of the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (U-NII) bands are used by radar systems. Wi-Fi networks operating in those bands are required to employ a radar detection and avoidance capability. I think this is not applicable here in Malaysia. We are still on standard ISM bands.

The Transmit Power Control (TPC) goes together with DFS to avoid interfering the radar by reducing the power.

I think you can have both disabled if there is such feature in setting
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post Feb 21 2020, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 21 2020, 10:28 AM)
I have adjusted the bandwidth just now, and from 50-70mbps now I got around 100mbps which is still quite Low I think.  Hm  hmm.gif
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Have you ever installed any apps to check if there is other signal within your operating WiFi channel?
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post Feb 21 2020, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 21 2020, 10:26 AM)
Sorry for asking, why use 36, 40, 44 and 48? Why not use others and what’s the difference between these channels? And I’m using tplink right now how do I know if it’s support dfs nd tpc? Thank you for your time. notworthy.gif
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Because channel 36 to 48 is the recommended channels for 5GHz. If you hover over the channel drop down menu, you can see the available channels there. If you can't see channels in between 52 up until 140, then your router don't support DFS channel. To make you understand a bit further, the DFS channel often regarded as the WLANs utilizes 5GHz frequencies that made available only for radars. The 5GHz frequencies often operates in between 5250 – 5330 MHz and 5490 – 5710 MHz.

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post Feb 21 2020, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 21 2020, 12:21 AM)
Am I correct? Wifi mode as in this;

user posted image

And channel static as in this;

user posted image

Correct? Thanks..
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Indeed, you can pick 802.11ac only for 5GHz for starting. If you face hardly connected or frequently disconnected, just stick back to 802.11n/ac only. From what i can see, you are using tm stock default router because wifi name come with @unifi, you may refer from my past replied how to upgrade the firmware by using recovery mode, for temporary usage before you find the best deal router soon. i know this can make it confuse a bit for you. Just make sure make strong a password, not using a number only. Old timer tp-link router, 5GHz, usually support channel 36 until 48 only. DFS channel you need to try and error, if your place too much helicopter and aeroplane playing around in your area - flight live view , you very hardly to use these channel. So, you need try one by one channel if want to use DFS channel, not all router support DFS channel. Some of router that support these channel cannot use it properly, not functioning very well. Only certain of its got stable by using these channel, depend on what hardware specs of that router too. Nowadays, many router support 5GHz channel from 36 until 161/165 with channel width 80MHz. Only certain router that support channel width 160MHz.
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QUOTE(Grayson @ Feb 21 2020, 11:28 AM)
I have adjusted the bandwidth just now, and from 50-70mbps now I got around 100mbps which is still quite Low I think.  Hm  hmm.gif
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That is standard speed usually for wifi 2.4GHz especially if you're using tplink router, depend on specs of your devices too. Bare in mind just connecting direct Lan cable only if you're using desktop, if using laptop at same place better using direct Lan cable. Just use wifi when need moving to other place and there is no way for wired.
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post Feb 21 2020, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 21 2020, 08:22 AM)
Yes, I'd just do that 20MHz for 2.4GHz band.

Less than 100Mbps is low. Something is not right. I think you have fixed the bandwidth to 80Mhz, right? I get around 470Mbps on my 500Mbps service with both laptop and my phone. I forget what my setting was anyway.

Since wireless is half-duplex, I guess that is why the cs said you should get above 50%, generally around 60% I believe due to protocol overhead, etc.
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20MHz for 2.4GHz is narrow band you can only reach max about 50-75Mbps on speedtest if you choose this setting.

Increase it to 40MHz you'll probably get max 125Mbps if you have a supported wifi client/device that supports it. Most newer equipment nowadays already support this unless you have very old outdated stuff at home that'll need Wi-Fi connectivity.

Then there's 2x2 MIMO on top of the 40MHz 2.4GHz Wifi which claims to oduble the speed with 2 parallel antennas.

Do remember that even though your router/AP supports newer technologies such as 2.4GHz wide band Wifi and MIMO 2x2, you need a client that matches it as well.

For 300Mbps plans above, it's recommended that you use 5GHz WiFi instead to gain the extra bandwidth and take advantage of the speed.
For 100Mbps plans below, 40MHz 2.4GHz will be good enough for most people.

My stock router at home is capable of AC1200, it makes sense to get a AC1200 rated wifi adapter or a matching capable device to take advantage of the speed which is 1.2Gbps via wireless.

Do note that speeds are theoretical speeds, give or take 20% overhead with published speeds on the tech sheet, that's what'll get in real time conditions.
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Feb 21 2020, 12:40 PM)
20MHz for 2.4GHz is narrow band you can only reach max about 50-75Mbps on speedtest if you choose this setting.

Increase it to 40MHz you'll probably get max 125Mbps if you have a supported wifi client/device that supports it. Most newer equipment nowadays already support this unless you have very old outdated stuff at home that'll need Wi-Fi connectivity.

Then there's 2x2 MIMO on top of the 40MHz 2.4GHz Wifi which claims to oduble the speed with 2 parallel antennas.

Do remember that even though your router/AP supports newer technologies such as 2.4GHz wide band Wifi and MIMO 2x2, you need a client that matches it as well.

For 300Mbps plans above, it's recommended that you use 5GHz WiFi instead to gain the extra bandwidth and take advantage of the speed.
For 100Mbps plans below, 40MHz 2.4GHz will be good enough for most people.

My stock router at home is capable of AC1200, it makes sense to get a AC1200 rated wifi adapter or a matching capable device to take advantage of the speed which is 1.2Gbps via wireless.

Do note that speeds are theoretical speeds, give or take 20% overhead with published speeds on the tech sheet, that's what'll get in real time conditions.
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You can put any widest band if you have no interference from any other WAP like from neighbor or your other WAP. I'd leave the 2.4GHz band for guess and old devices.

For the 5GHz band , it is different story because you have more channels. Unless your device can do link aggregation, you can only use either band only. So, no 1200Mbps total smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jjuggler @ Feb 21 2020, 10:44 AM)
Because channel 36 to 48 is the recommended channels for 5GHz. If you hover over the channel drop down menu, you can see the available channels there. If you can't see channels in between 52 up until 140, then your router don't support DFS channel. To make you understand a bit further, the DFS channel often regarded as the WLANs utilizes 5GHz frequencies that made available only for radars. The 5GHz frequencies often operates in between 5250 – 5330 MHz and 5490 – 5710 MHz.
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Ahh so technically the dfs is better for 5ghz but only for newer router.

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