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post Feb 18 2020, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Cmyong88 @ Feb 18 2020, 08:38 PM)
It's less about the money and more about integrity
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there are obviously better ways to test for integrity if u wanted to. furthermore a person's integrity may change for better or worse over time
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Feb 18 2020, 08:35 PM)
no. never ever do this. this is unethical!!!!

ask HR to call the candidate, ask for evidence that the salary is banked into account, oe EA form etc.....
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Totally agree. If HR reveals it to another company, I don't think the HR is professional enough.
Professionalism in Malaysia will need to be improved.
Even if HR wants to reveal also, they should get the consent from the employee.

It comes back to the question "Why in the first place the staff wants to fake the salary?".
Is it because the employee was not paid well and look for another job so that he/she can be compensated well?

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Please contact Aaron Ong as soon as possible. He memang the bestest in HR related issues.


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QUOTE(Cmyong88 @ Feb 18 2020, 08:24 PM)
Hello kopitiam, I have a dilemma. Recently my company have been recruiting new staff for various position. One of which is a position within my department. Everything went well and there's an able candidate that have passed all the checks and interview and now only require my signature to process his offer letter.

Here's the thing. The candidate had submitted the usual documents for offer letter processing including the latest pay slip from his current company. I took a look at the pay slip and immediately notice the candidate current salary which I believe is too high. I do not have proof but I have a gut feeling the salary slip is doctered or photoshopped because for his level of experience and years of service, it is still a good 40% more. I'm familiar of the candidate current company and the pay slip format is correct. I have spoken to HR about this and they said they cannot verify and that it's not that unusual for the difference in pay.

I would like some of you experts or have experience this same dilemma as me for some feedback. Is there anyway for me to verify the salary slip? I'm hoping for some insight before I decide if I should call the candidate current company for verification.

Thanks for any input
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If you're not HR then who are you to kepoh?
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post Feb 18 2020, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(hioniq @ Feb 18 2020, 08:34 PM)
Truth story, pbb girl asked me login to epf and show her my account. Because she is very pretty so I just showed to her
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Is that all you showed? brows.gif Wasted opportunity whistling.gif
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post Feb 18 2020, 08:51 PM

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No I'm not from the finance industry. HR response, or lack there off is probably because the company already green lit the candidate. I suspected the slip was doctered because I'm very familiar with the candidate current company and that basic is very unusual.

I care because the candidate are to fill a position in my sandbox.
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post Feb 18 2020, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(Cmyong88 @ Feb 18 2020, 08:24 PM)
Hello kopitiam, I have a dilemma. Recently my company have been recruiting new staff for various position. One of which is a position within my department. Everything went well and there's an able candidate that have passed all the checks and interview and now only require my signature to process his offer letter.

Here's the thing. The candidate had submitted the usual documents for offer letter processing including the latest pay slip from his current company. I took a look at the pay slip and immediately notice the candidate current salary which I believe is too high. I do not have proof but I have a gut feeling the salary slip is doctered or photoshopped because for his level of experience and years of service, it is still a good 40% more. I'm familiar of the candidate current company and the pay slip format is correct. I have spoken to HR about this and they said they cannot verify and that it's not that unusual for the difference in pay.

I would like some of you experts or have experience this same dilemma as me for some feedback. Is there anyway for me to verify the salary slip? I'm hoping for some insight before I decide if I should call the candidate current company for verification.

Thanks for any input
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QUOTE(cameradude @ Feb 18 2020, 08:50 PM)
Is that all you showed?  brows.gif Wasted opportunity  whistling.gif
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She got impressed or not
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post Feb 18 2020, 08:54 PM

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I have a big problem with people looking at previous pay slips.

You pay people according to what they can contribute to the company, what added value they can bring, how much you need those skills, how rare are those skills, what premium you might need to pay for those skills and whether the person is a good fit for the company.

The previous pay slip could show the person was grossly underpaid, or grossly overpaid. If grossly underpaid, and you rigidly follow this pay slip thing, you are not going to get any candidates. If grossly overpaid, are you going to pay that as well because of the payslip? I hope not. Assess the candidate, not the previous pay slip.

The practice is not something the western countries follow. It is just a stupid practice that Asian HR follow because they can't think of something more useful and relevant to do.

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post Feb 18 2020, 08:58 PM

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Focus on the value the candidate can bring to company. Not his or her past celery
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post Feb 18 2020, 08:59 PM

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Lol..reminds me of my past experience with the hr from a factory in melaka...lol she wants to low balled me la dont belip my current salari and calls me 2-3 times asking for copy of my payslip she insists that i is tipu her..later i sent email to her my scanned payslip terus she call me back n say sori they kenot afford to pay according my rate...lol...
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why not just ask him if he is willing to provide further proof of salary banked into his account like bank statements
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QUOTE(Cmyong88 @ Feb 18 2020, 09:38 PM)
Not in SOP. Also hard to justify to candidate for such documents.
Sorry forgot to clarify that the pay slip is not original. It's a photocopied. It's clear and I'm familiar with that company's pay slip look genuine. Only the basic figure I find odd
I can double the salary of everyone in my department but that doesn't mean I should. We are already willing to give an offer to the candidate but if my guess is true, it's a major red flag for me. It's less about the money and more about integrity
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Its back to your own juristiction after all. If the guy is legit. He's good. You want him. Just pay..its about the trust. 2 ways of trust..simple.

Do not put the a line expecting people to be honest what so ever. This is not a perfect world after all.
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Feb 18 2020, 08:35 PM)
no. never ever do this. this is unethical!!!!

ask HR to call the candidate, ask for evidence that the salary is banked into account, oe EA form etc.....
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post Feb 18 2020, 09:07 PM

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msia is just another cheap labour country, why bother demanding good candidates? just hire bangla...
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QUOTE(konpaku @ Feb 18 2020, 08:34 PM)
salary should be what the role deserves. not what the candidate's last drawn salary. his last salary shouldn't matter if you already decided he is worth hiring at the salary that your company offers

it's people like you that makes job hunting a pain in the ass.
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post Feb 18 2020, 09:11 PM

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Everyone, this candidate is not a fresh grad. The candidate is a 15 year veteran and my company is offering a position that is both an upgrade to his title and wages. The candidate already got the job so to speak. This dilemma of mine is about doctered salary slip. Not about the worth of the candidate because ALREADY GREEN LIT FOR APPOINTMENT. The salary indicated in suspected slip has no bearing because we offered way more.

All the above does not absolve the fact that it could be doctored and that's a whole different story.

If we request further documents, it would require a proper explanation. Any explanation given would indicate suspicion, even though it's just my own gut feeling but then the wheels of SOP would turn. Any suspicion of fake credential must be investigated throughly and the candidate letter of appointment will be withheld indefinitely until concrete proof provided. This ladies and gents, is not how I want my newest staff to start their employment. Especially if we will be working closely.

I'm asking for idea that doesn't turn all this upside down on the off chance the slip is genuine. It would not look good
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you pay what you think makes sense for the level of experience and market value.

who cares about the payslip?

if it's too high compared to what you expected, don't hire - why you need /k here to advise?

pay peanuts get monkeys. nuff said.
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post Feb 18 2020, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(Cmyong88 @ Feb 18 2020, 09:11 PM)
Everyone,  this candidate is not a fresh grad. The candidate is a 15 year veteran and my company is offering a position that is both an upgrade to his title and wages. The candidate already got the job so to speak. This dilemma of mine is about doctered salary slip. Not about the worth of the candidate because ALREADY GREEN LIT FOR APPOINTMENT. The salary indicated in suspected slip has no bearing because we offered way more.

All the above does not absolve the fact that it could be doctored and that's a whole different story.

If we request further documents, it would require a proper explanation. Any explanation given would indicate suspicion, even though it's just my own gut feeling but then the wheels of SOP would turn. Any suspicion of fake credential must be investigated throughly and the candidate letter of appointment will be withheld indefinitely until concrete proof provided. This ladies and gents, is not how I want my newest staff to start their employment. Especially if we will be working closely.

I'm asking for idea that doesn't turn all this upside down on the off chance the slip is genuine. It would not look good
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if this is the case, then just let go. just trust the candidate and let him/her do his/her work. dont be judgemental or bias.
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QUOTE(konpaku @ Feb 18 2020, 08:34 PM)
salary should be what the role deserves. not what the candidate's last drawn salary. his last salary shouldn't matter if you already decided he is worth hiring at the salary that your company offers

it's people like you that makes job hunting a pain in the ass.
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Agree!!

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