Disclaimer: I'm not advising or advocating any ideas, I'm just expressing my thoughts due to countless toxic comments against any narrative different from their own. Do not generalize what I stand for, and take it with a pinch of salt.

So please read it with an open mind.

First you need to understand the basic, which is healthcare industry market size is worth more than a trillion dollar worldwide, and it is still growing steadily. They spend billions of dollar on commission, marketing, and advertisement.

Like any other business, profit is the main focus, so here is my question: Are you telling me that they will never jeopardize our health for profits? Please don't be guilible and naive when answering it, be critical.

Imagine if I'm selling you a product, but I give no guarantee that it will work as intended, due to many reason such as the strain evolve, no herd immunity and so on. Would you buy that product? Because like many new vaccine flooding the market, it doesn't have any solid scientific proof of its effectiveness.

Now here comes the brilliant part of the marketing, because herd immunity is the main focus, and because everyone values their own/children life more than anything, it makes them go hostile to anyone that have different opinion regarding the vaccine industry.

Not only they could get away with selling product that is not guarantee to work, but they are able to demonize anyone that don't subscribe to their doctrine.

You know what is irony? Herd immunity. To inform everyone to quietly take your vaccine is synonymous to be treated as cattle, which has no capacity to think for itself whatsoever.

I would like to remind everyone that I'm not againts vaccine in general, there are vital vaccine that comes with many years of scientific research and proof of its effectiveness. What I'm against is any discrimination of people's freedom to choose what to do with their own body.

By any chance if you get angry with the logic and explanation I put fourth, I'm terribly sorry, there is no vaccine to cure that disease, tough luck.

antivax can godie

sad i kenot open vaksin factory

Trying to make an intellectual argument, but lacks facts or at the very least, an intellect.

What u mean not guarantee to work? U mean vaccines dont work?

Why never test on animal LOL ...then got some evidence ?
2,020 years later still can claim no evidence?

US is going to bring wuhan virus vaccine to market soon (this month they say). Maybe TS not happy with plotek mode on.

Sekejap xdak proof, sekejap ada proof.

Nak cucuk ke tak mau ni?

Serious disease ok la vaccine. Apa lj mau every year vaccine for normal flu?

Look at all the angry herd I triggered.

Not all vaccine work, especially the new ones which is flooding the market, so stop generalizing.

If you were to get bitten by an animal suspected to have rabies, you must take the vaccine or your chance of survival is near zero.

Herd immunity is just a theory btw

This post has been edited by AllnGap: Feb 15 2020, 01:35 PM

There are hundreds of vaccine in the market, and not all are tested properly, some has gone through stringent test.

Please for once use your brain to think critically.

what tok u ???. Gov vaccination is free,.. no need to pay,..

another anti-vax people,..

so which vaccine not tested properly and been using now ???

so the virus change salah the drug/vaccine maker? i keep hitting u the same place everyday u also know how to block la, dun say viruses. evolution, google it

TS is antivaxxer lettew

Lol antivaxxer butthurt give retarded theories, then call others butthurt

There is no such thing as FREE, someone else is paying it.

Again read the title and try to understand: "Vaccine: The good, the Bad and the Ugly"

There are good vaccine that save millions of life, then there are bad vaccine which is mainly for profits, and lastly the ugly one which will not be mention here.

Spoon-fed session is over, goodbye and have a nice weekend everybody.

Read your own writing ts

U r confuse

Kek

TS food, water and electricity also business and need to pay.. so please dun eat, drink water and use electricity tqvm.

since when Gov charge for vaccination ???.....

and which is the bad vaccine being use ???

Might as well don't post to begin with if you're gonna wave bye to everyone who come in, that's just pure headassery

As tax-paying citizen you enjoy a set of privilege, this where vaccine is included. The nothing is free point is redundant here.

masuk lagi antivax
musim mengawan issit?

allngap is ready for u

Google small pox, see if u want to get it or not.

Ok I'm back for more... can't help myself.

Well with so many useless topic started here every few minutes, I thought I could share my views as well, it is kopitiam section last time I check.

And please stop generalizing, our government healthcare program is doing fine, hardly any adverse cases reported here, I'm talking globally and future trend.

This post has been edited by smsid: Feb 15 2020, 02:29 PM

If I don't eat or drink you are fine with it right? But god no, never criticise our overlord, they only have our best interest at heart.

TS posts completely ignores the fact that any vaccine needs to be trialled extensively before being released to market.

OMG, could someone educate him that money don't grow on trees.

For second question, please relay it to your healthcare professionals aka doctor, ask them if the vaccine they suggested is safe and well tested.

Need to remind you that I'm a nobody with alot of time to spare, so don't take me seriously, just having fun poking people from safety distance.

so did Gov charge u for vaccination ???

and u still haven't answer which vaccine is the bad one ???

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

"FDA can require a manufacturer submit the results of their own tests for potency, safety, and purity for each vaccine lot. FDA can require each manufacturer submit samples of each vaccine lot for testing."

To test own product safety is already a conflict of interest. It is good that big company can bribe... I mean lobby politicians at America to make things run smoothly for their business.

Again, all wrong.

Either you don't understand what you type, or are stupid, or just intentionally twist facts.

Talking to anti vaxxer and talking to PAS followers are the same.

TS be like

[Look at me, im not one of the crowd, im so different and not one of the herd]

Also TS
[ googles shit stuff and calls himself expert and ignoring decades of scientific research and medical science]

Fixed it for you.

So which one doesn't work? Pray tell

So far I dont think I got bad reaction to vac but I read that there are rare ones and they get some kind of payout from us govt, not sure if malaysia got bad reaction vaccine payout.

So which one doesn't work? Pray tell

wrong, the whole world are for vaccines.

Anti vaxxers is a fringe group just like flat-earthers

their modus operandi is the same. They all believe in their own google searches and only believe what they wanna hear.

bad side is ppl like TS allow their bodies to be reservoirs to give viruses a fighting chance to destroy everyone again.

therefore Anti-vax are actually Pro-virus and Pro-disease

Fk yeah, someone who is brave enough to go against the establishment...

I've been telling everyone why the hell we need to pay income tax?! How can they force us what we can do with our own money..

They treating us like cows without the capacity to think, it's not back scientific studies what they do with our money...

U see, we use the road we got road tax, we buy house got stamp duty, we buy car got excise duty, every tax has its purpose, but the biggest bullshit is income tax.. wtf does income tax pay for?

Thank you TS

And you would be like

Look at me, I'm part of the packs, I simply prefer to just get angry to anyone that disagree with my views.

is this the part where you go
[ i cannot accept scientific facts coz my brain hurtzz, this is harassment! discrimination! unvaccinated Its my democratic right !]

Why dont you inject yourself with smallpox to see if your antivax theory really works?

Ahh the irony... It felt strong here.

I'm not againts the establishment, so please cool your jet. @.@

Just informing people to respect people's freedom, don't force your ideas, simple.

Sos?
Tldr
Ts talking out of his ass and doesn't know the meaning of herd immunity.

Not a single sos. Only believing in your own writing. SO much effort. Why dont you write some fiction tho? it be a shame to see all this wasted effort in an online forum.

L O L

Gosh, why would I? I don't need to proof anything to anyone.

Why you asked? Because your reply already proof my point. Fanatics

Like i said, you really should write fiction.

This is KOPITIAM!

*kick chair for some effect*

tldr version

ts is just saying he is unique, quirky and no need vaccines unlike the rest of the herd of nubs.

I'm writing one right now, it's about a guy posting his views that angered many people, and he is having teatime at this moment...

It's an ongoing process, will post it here once I ever get to finish it.

Another generalizing, clearly you have comprehension problem.

Summary version
TS just making baseless claim to trigger ktards.

Kecik kecik tak nak mampos, besar susahkan orang.

Herd immunity is the biggest scam of the vaccine industry.

It is a term coined during 1920s, never been tested clinically using double blind methods.

It's so called by observation, not a clinically proven fact

Ape boleh buat, itu adalah lumrah manusia, masa kecik comel, besar menyusahkan... nasib badan.

Educate yourself sikit la about all this. Tengok "Explained" series on Netflix, episode "The Next Pandemic"..
If still same mindset, memang elok pupus je.

Oh yehhh tell that to polio and other dangerous diseases once almost at the brink of extinction thanks to vaccinnation

but nooooo

u fringe groupie clowns gave diseases a fighting chance and bring them back.

I'm sorry, I didn't know Netflix is in the business of educating people, my bad.

Good to know that there are still people who believe in Hollywood production in this day and age.

then if not evil pharma and evil modern healthcare
wat cure do you use?
air jampi?
snakegrass?
vitamin c?

Again stop generalizing, as I said some are VITAL and save millions.

But do proceed ranting, I'm enjoying this.

Passive aggressive antivaxx. LOL. If you don't want to get vaxxed. Don't live with other people.

Tired of people using excuse of "freedom to choose", "Right to reject treatment" etc to counter vaccine argument. If published scientific journal don't make you believe in science but rather use own logic, do your research and proof to us, don't use your logic to fight argument.

You feel the need to respond why? i was talking to someone else? just cant let it go can you?


Oh btw your whole rant about evil pharma is telling enough which crowd you belong in

This post has been edited by Einjahr: Feb 15 2020, 04:33 PM

Memang kalau bodoh tu sampai mati jadi bodoh la kot. Sila meninggal

It's science you talking about then get it tested.
Don't be confused between marketing and science.

There is good, bad, and in between, like people.

For the last time, stop generalizing, you understand the meaning of the word by any chance?

hide behind vagueness and obscurity if it makes you safe, thats the only way you can protect your fragile opinions from scrutiny.

see my siggy, remember that comment you make ?

you of all people, demanding the science when BASIC ALSO FUKKEN FAIL

lol

Again, thank you everyone for proving my point, we got fanatics here who would discriminate anyone who are not align to their believe.

When cannot discuss the science, start playing politics in the hopes of misleading others.
I must commend the level of bullshittery.

Itu cadangan ke atau soalan?

I made a mistake on that, I admit that

But herd immunity is not a clinically tested theory.
How can the whole population be undergoing compulsory vaccination on an untested theory ?

Yea la, wait until u get virus ke apa pls don't get vaccine injection ok? Save the vaccine for other patient. U mati tak apa, but pls dun menyusahkan orang lain by spreading ur delusion thought. Thank You.

This post has been edited by YKayz: Feb 15 2020, 04:53 PM

Only fools rush in, smart people play safe.

But I would not label myself as intelligent person, caused the proof is right here:









Me replying your post.

Not tested ? what era you been living in ? a whole hotbed of diseases have been almost wiped out to extinction by vaccination, like smallpox. There is a host of other diseases that were almost wiped out like diptheria, polio, but were brought back by anti vax campaigners. WHat more proof do you need ? lol

Takde masalah, vaccine untuk virus baru pun belum ada dalam pasaran, kene tunggu 9 hingga 18 bulan, apelah nasib badan.

This post has been edited by smsid: Feb 15 2020, 05:09 PM

Funny thing is, I watched one documentary that even in court to fight compulsory vaccine, the antivaxx also succeed in winning court case simply by giving testimony. Now I really understand there are people in this world that really have the "don't believe everything the world tells you" mentality.

Whatever floats their boat

I support antivax, effective way to reduce traffic congestion

You think this is discriminate ? Antivaxx endangering other people life. Our government have vaccine record and some antivaxx dare to make false document so their child can go to nursery/school/etc...

i personaly hope that the gov can pass a law which makes it mandatory for antivaxers to get shot with vaccines!

u know? like injection darts and rifles

This is discriminate. Yes Netflix is entertainment streaming service, but there also many educational series, there even have many documentary film.

Do you think all TV shows is same level ?

There are many educational TV shows. The Doctors (US), Safety First! (North Korea).

Even Malaysia already got, E.g. My Doctors, Siti Aware.

If your do not watch any education show, it does not mean it does not exist.

You are blaming other people for your own weak immune system, if the vaccine does work, then you should not need to worry right?

You got to praise their marketing team, instilling fears to the masses is the best way to sell stuff.

The antivaxer that I know is now in panic mode with CoViD-19 "in the air".

She used to brag about all her children not being vaccinated against anything.

Where do you think I get my views? Purely from reading? No

Also you do aware that in U.S most tv program has alot of drug advertisement? Won't be smart to criticise them right? Periuk nasi kene jaga okay.

With all your google experience, you know what vaccine is right

"Vaccines contain a microorganism or virus in a weakened or killed state, or proteins or toxins from the organism."

It's help immune system to prepare for specific disease.

u jus kicked him in the balls

lol

Better seek guidance from the certified professional in this field. If you really wan't to learn, there are many other proper channel like college/university.

This is not like IT field where you can just google/youtube stuff how to/guide for dummy. Try and error. (Sorry everyone involved in IT, hahaha)

This pharmacy field is all about health matter.

Just now commented on FB, surprisingly there are so many antivaxxer in Malaysia. At last the FB antivaxxer use religious point of views, I even mentioned Malaysia Muslim Mufti also allow it.

If you read Masyarakat Kena Tahu FB group, you will got shock too.

Sohai. Its because cost of treating those diseases and hospitalization is costlier compared to just vaccinating them .

Will all your google experience, you should know that it is not the ONLY thing they put in vaccine right?

I'm sorry to disappoint you.

I totally agree, hence the disclaimer put in place on the very first topic.

Seriously bruh


Not vaccinated?


How on earth her kids go to school?

Aiyo boss jangan banyak marah, mana saya ada kata vaccine langsung tak berguna pada masyarakat? Saya cuma mahu kebebasan dari puak pelampau.