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Vaccine: The good, the Bad and the Ugly
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 01:16 PM, updated 10 months ago
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Disclaimer: I'm not advising or advocating any ideas, I'm just expressing my thoughts due to countless toxic comments against any narrative different from their own. Do not generalize what I stand for, and take it with a pinch of salt.
So please read it with an open mind.
First you need to understand the basic, which is healthcare industry market size is worth more than a trillion dollar worldwide, and it is still growing steadily. They spend billions of dollar on commission, marketing, and advertisement.
Like any other business, profit is the main focus, so here is my question: Are you telling me that they will never jeopardize our health for profits? Please don't be guilible and naive when answering it, be critical.
Imagine if I'm selling you a product, but I give no guarantee that it will work as intended, due to many reason such as the strain evolve, no herd immunity and so on. Would you buy that product? Because like many new vaccine flooding the market, it doesn't have any solid scientific proof of its effectiveness.
Now here comes the brilliant part of the marketing, because herd immunity is the main focus, and because everyone values their own/children life more than anything, it makes them go hostile to anyone that have different opinion regarding the vaccine industry.
Not only they could get away with selling product that is not guarantee to work, but they are able to demonize anyone that don't subscribe to their doctrine.
You know what is irony? Herd immunity. To inform everyone to quietly take your vaccine is synonymous to be treated as cattle, which has no capacity to think for itself whatsoever.
I would like to remind everyone that I'm not againts vaccine in general, there are vital vaccine that comes with many years of scientific research and proof of its effectiveness. What I'm against is any discrimination of people's freedom to choose what to do with their own body.
By any chance if you get angry with the logic and explanation I put fourth, I'm terribly sorry, there is no vaccine to cure that disease, tough luck.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 01:31 PM
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Look at all the angry herd I triggered. QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Feb 15 2020, 01:18 PM) What u mean not guarantee to work? U mean vaccines dont work? Not all vaccine work, especially the new ones which is flooding the market, so stop generalizing. If you were to get bitten by an animal suspected to have rabies, you must take the vaccine or your chance of survival is near zero.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(suicideroach @ Feb 15 2020, 01:29 PM) Sekejap xdak proof, sekejap ada proof. Nak cucuk ke tak mau ni? There are hundreds of vaccine in the market, and not all are tested properly, some has gone through stringent test. Please for once use your brain to think critically.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Feb 15 2020, 01:47 PM) what tok u ???. Gov vaccination is free,.. no need to pay,.. another anti-vax people,.. There is no such thing as FREE, someone else is paying it. Again read the title and try to understand: "Vaccine: The good, the Bad and the Ugly" There are good vaccine that save millions of life, then there are bad vaccine which is mainly for profits, and lastly the ugly one which will not be mention here. Spoon-fed session is over, goodbye and have a nice weekend everybody.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Ayer @ Feb 15 2020, 02:10 PM) Might as well don't post to begin with if you're gonna wave bye to everyone who come in, that's just pure headassery As tax-paying citizen you enjoy a set of privilege, this where vaccine is included. The nothing is free point is redundant here. Ok I'm back for more... can't help myself. Well with so many useless topic started here every few minutes, I thought I could share my views as well, it is kopitiam section last time I check. And please stop generalizing, our government healthcare program is doing fine, hardly any adverse cases reported here, I'm talking globally and future trend. This post has been edited by smsid: Feb 15 2020, 02:29 PM
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(brkli @ Feb 15 2020, 02:03 PM) TS food, water and electricity also business and need to pay.. so please dun eat, drink water and use electricity tqvm. If I don't eat or drink you are fine with it right? But god no, never criticise our overlord, they only have our best interest at heart.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Feb 15 2020, 02:04 PM) since when Gov charge for vaccination ???..... and which is the bad vaccine being use ??? OMG, could someone educate him that money don't grow on trees. For second question, please relay it to your healthcare professionals aka doctor, ask them if the vaccine they suggested is safe and well tested. Need to remind you that I'm a nobody with alot of time to spare, so don't take me seriously, just having fun poking people from safety distance.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(differ @ Feb 15 2020, 02:45 PM) TS posts completely ignores the fact that any vaccine needs to be trialled extensively before being released to market. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html"FDA can require a manufacturer submit the results of their own tests for potency, safety, and purity for each vaccine lot. FDA can require each manufacturer submit samples of each vaccine lot for testing." To test own product safety is already a conflict of interest. It is good that big company can bribe... I mean lobby politicians at America to make things run smoothly for their business.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Feb 15 2020, 03:10 PM) Talking to pro vaxxer and talking to PAS followers are the same. You are never allow to criticise anything. Fixed it for you.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 03:11 PM) TS be like [Look at me, im not one of the crowd, im so different and not one of the herd] Also TS [ googles shit stuff and calls himself expert and ignoring decades of scientific research and medical science] And you would be like Look at me, I'm part of the packs, I simply prefer to just get angry to anyone that disagree with my views.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 03:17 PM) wrong, the whole world are for vaccines. Anti vaxxers is a fringe group just like flat-earthers their modus operandi is the same. They all believe in their own google searches and only believe what they wanna hear. Ahh the irony... It felt strong here.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Feb 15 2020, 03:19 PM) Fk yeah, someone who is brave enough to go against the establishment... I've been telling everyone why the hell we need to pay income tax?! How can they force us what we can do with our own money.. They treating us like cows without the capacity to think, it's not back scientific studies what they do with our money... U see, we use the road we got road tax, we buy house got stamp duty, we buy car got excise duty, every tax has its purpose, but the biggest bullshit is income tax.. wtf does income tax pay for? Thank you TS I'm not againts the establishment, so please cool your jet. @.@ Just informing people to respect people's freedom, don't force your ideas, simple.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 03:22 PM) is this the part where you go [ i cannot accept scientific facts coz my brain hurtzz, this is harassment! discrimination! unvaccinated Its my democratic right !] Why dont you inject yourself with smallpox to see if your antivax theory really works? Gosh, why would I? I don't need to proof anything to anyone. Why you asked? Because your reply already proof my point. Fanatics
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 03:32 PM) Not a single sos. Only believing in your own writing. SO much effort. Why dont you write some fiction tho? it be a shame to see all this wasted effort in an online forum. This is KOPITIAM! *kick chair for some effect*
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 03:35 PM) Like i said, you really should write fiction. I'm writing one right now, it's about a guy posting his views that angered many people, and he is having teatime at this moment... It's an ongoing process, will post it here once I ever get to finish it.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 03:37 PM) tldr version ts is just saying he is unique, quirky and no need vaccines unlike the rest of the herd of nubs. Another generalizing, clearly you have comprehension problem. Summary version TS just making baseless claim to trigger ktards.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Feb 15 2020, 04:00 PM) Kecik kecik tak nak mampos, besar susahkan orang. Ape boleh buat, itu adalah lumrah manusia, masa kecik comel, besar menyusahkan... nasib badan.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Feb 15 2020, 04:15 PM) Educate yourself sikit la about all this. Tengok "Explained" series on Netflix, episode "The Next Pandemic".. If still same mindset, memang elok pupus je. I'm sorry, I didn't know Netflix is in the business of educating people, my bad. Good to know that there are still people who believe in Hollywood production in this day and age.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 04:19 PM) Oh yehhh tell that to polio and other dangerous diseases once almost at the brink of extinction thanks to vaccinnation but nooooo u fringe groupie clowns gave diseases a fighting chance and bring them back. Again stop generalizing, as I said some are VITAL and save millions. But do proceed ranting, I'm enjoying this.
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TSsmsid
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Feb 15 2020, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 04:25 PM) then if not evil pharma and evil modern healthcare wat cure do you use? air jampi? snakegrass? vitamin c? There is good, bad, and in between, like people. For the last time, stop generalizing, you understand the meaning of the word by any chance?
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