After listening and reading the so many dangers of 3ROD, and such/// I just wanna ask those who sis have theirs 3rod-ed, what were the condition before the 3rod?
As in u were playing nicely for 15 minutes, turn off for 3 hours and try on again...wallah3rod!!!!

I"m trying to say here is that those who have been killed before on their x box due to 3rod, please tell us how it happens actually, what happened to Xbox before the 3rod...conditon of it, played/unplayed/that kinda stuff...

Not many people says how it becam 3rod, and not prior to before condition... I'm kinda scared to get one now with so much commnets about it....
but annoyed at how they don mention what made the xbox 3rod?

please enlighten us...
P/S: this is not to feed fuel to hate ok...
Peace out!!!

Its very hard to tell what really hits the 3 Red Rings Of Death.

For Put it simple. = Cheap Manufacturing Product.

For Detail = (it could be one of them But I can't confirm any how )

The Processor of the GPU and CPU has started to "Lift" up. (Due to On/Off Playing)

"Lift" means the CPU And GPU starting to separated from the motherboard (slighty, you can't really see unless you got an X-Ray Mobo Scanner [is that what they call ? ] )

This Happens when everytime we turn on our xbox 360. The CPU/GPU Gets Very Hot (enough to cook an egg if you didn't attach the fan )

After a long period time of Turning it On/Off (Hence Hot Cold affects)

The motherboard start to Flex Hence the "separation" of the CPU/GPU from the motherboard.

Which Cost the Effect of Three Red Rings Of Death.

Do note : this is one of the symptoms of a easier explanation I could be wrong.

to avoid this problem 3rod... when after u turn off ur 360 make sure u wait 5-10sec before switch off the powersupply cause the fan still spining and try suck some hot air out in 5-10sec. after that u can turn off ur powersupply. (am i right?)

but i end up getting E74

but somehow taking too much care doesn't help to prevent the 3 Red Rings Of Death. As you can see.. (including you) we all tried to take as good or should I say as best as possible.

But it ends up dead right in front of us.

so I said play everyday

yea play everyday...
it really depends la... hard hard to tell...

if a 360 got 3rod before and get fixed,so if in the future we got 3rod again,can it be fix anymore?

let say you had done x clamp method, then the heat gun method, then the 12v fan method. if happens again. you can really use it as a door stopper or paper weight.

Or a PC casing...

wah... but that one not bad la the idea.. (the one I saw a few times ago.. )

oh my...
now, seriously, is it worth getting x box now then?
I initially wanted to get Wii, instead of X box...
then my friend who had both, brought both Wii and X box for me to test...
Wii was alright for first 1 hour... then my arms began to ache...not to mention the games were just party games...
Tried the Xbox then - GOW...
And i just got hooked straight into it...the control feels soooo easy to me (got PS2 already ;P) and graphics were way better...
So started to wan an X box...especially with all the good action games..
But then this 3rod problem started surfacing, and the more i read about it, the more apprehensive i became, as nearly everyone seem to experience it, especially in the US...even here.
Thing is, does the guarantee/warranty cover Malaysia too, especially for 3rod?
otherwise, it's kinda lame to spend RM1700 on a machine just to see it kaput within a year...This is especially hard for me, as my income is low, and hard to get by te chance of getting one...

that depends on where you get from. But for malaysia for the xbox 360 warranty are just only for a year.. unless you bring your own to singapore to verify the problem (seems now are 3 years warranty).

DjINn, Any safety measures man? I've got 3rod-ed before and fixed it with x-clamp method.

Now, do i really need an external fan etc or something ?

no safety measure at all, You can put those vertical fan.. but still hard to say does it helps a lot ... or less.

just kept on playing la

wah...gettin X box also gimme headache already....

sweat lar like this...
i did hear that 3rod is random like mad one...only thing is, it hits more often than not. sigh....
must think...

No need to think, just play it as much as u can, no need to worry about what precaution methods or watever safety guidelines, enjoy it as much as possible before it stops working. If it's dead, send warranty, x-clamp fix or buy new one, OR just stop playing it. It's like life you can't worry about too much.

heh thnx for the infos guyz... appreciate it very much

I had two xbox 360s die on me. Both are Japanese units running off a step down transformer.

Xbox #1
From day one, I had some problem with this one. Occasionally, I get a message on screen that I should place the game DVD in an xbox 360. Sometimes, it takes quite a few tries of ejecting and restarting the xbox before the game starts properly. A check online reveals that this is a sign of possible hardware problem. I prayed hard that this is not the case and for almost 6 months, the unit worked fine except for the problem above.

Then one fine day while I was in a game, the screen froze. After a reboot, it was fine again but it started to happen more frequently over the next couple of days. Then it started to freeze after a couple of minutes in any game but will work indefinitely while in dashboard or viewing a movie.

Then it started to freeze while in dashboard and just a short while later, I got the 3ROD. Unplugging everything and reattaching managed to revive the unit one last time for a few seconds but after that it died permanently.

Xbox #2
Worried that the transformer might have been the cause of death, I got a much bigger (and more expensive) transformer for the 2nd unit. It too had a minor problem from day one. Once a while (every week or so) I will get a disc cannot be read error. A check that this problem is common as well but no one has linked this problem to a possible hardware error.

This second unit lasted about almost 6 months as well. The symptoms were very similar to the first unit. First it started freezing occasionally. Then more frequent. Then it freezes almost immediately in a game and finally 3ROD.

This time, I sent the unit to Djinn for the xclamp replacement. Got worried for a while though as it took almost 2 weeks for it to get fixed as it still wasn't stable after the replacement. I just got it back a few days ago and so far I have run it for about 3-4 hours each day and noticeable problems.

Conclusion:
If you are really worried about 3ROD I think it is wise to hold off until MS solves the problem or the new 65nm units are out. Despite all that you read here I don't think that there is anything that you can do avoid getting the 3ROD and the chances of getting a dud unit is pretty high at over 30%.

This post has been edited by Genosyde: Jul 18 2007, 06:16 PM

thnx for the advice bro. apprreciate it very mucho!!!

Just to share my xperience....

My xbox have been attack by the 3rod before.. just ngam2 after 6 month from date of purchase this 3rod attack my console ( I'm really curious on this as many of the cases of the 3rod is after 6 month of playing this console.. but that maybe coincidence..)

Then I've send my precious to bro tot and he have revive my console by doing the x-clamp replacement. During that time I'm the most happy person on earth when can see my consoles survive the 3rod! (thank to bro tot for a good job!! ) But sadly, my happiness is only last for about 2 month when this bloody 3rod attack my console for the second time.. I'm really piss off by this time as nearly I hammer my 360 and wanted to post a video off in in yourtube.

Because of this stupid 3rod fever, I really give up on this console.. than my precious which I take care and treated it nicely before have become my expreriment material. Upon my investigation I found out why this 3rod have appear even after being done the xclamp replacement method. The screw that tighten the heat sink on both GPU n CPU is really play a great role either can causing or prevent this 3rod. we cannot over tighten this screw and have to make sure the pressure on all 4 point is same or the board will tend to bend when this GPU is too hot. After re-adjusting the pressure on all the screw that replace the xclamp finally my console is revive for the second time!!. Then by look at the stupid design by Microsoft!! (really, whoever have seen the way their put the GPU under the dvdrom and how many space they get to 'ventilate' the hot airflow inside this 360 unit .. you will understand) I add 1 xtra 12V fan and do a ducting using a cardboard for this fan to blow an air to this really hot GPU fin. that the original fan I have modified to have a direct 12V source all the time to make sure the hot air being sucked out from this console at all time. To make used this 2 original fan I have make a separate route for each fan so that I fan suck a CPU hot air and 1 more fan direct suck the GPU hot air. this link give you some good tutorial.. : http://rbjtech.bulldoghome.com/pages/rbjte...com/Xbox360.htm

Untill now everything still in good working condition and I really hope that Microsoft can upgrade their design / component their used to improve the ventilation inside this console. No doubt 360 is excellent gaming machine with all the great title they already have and much more good game will come later for sure. My only regret on this console is when this 3rod appear but I'm also very satisfied with its performance on the graphics department and also all other parts.

Until 60mm chip being released in the market.. just hold on tight and just enjoy you game without worrying on this 3rod.. because the xprerience you get is really awesome!

take good of care of your 360,will not avoid from the 3rod.
they will betray you at anytime,any day.

Why vertical fan?

This is my DIY mod for my XBOX 360 using 100% environment friendly materials.

I used cardboards to create a funnel and it's fitted with a Vizo 120mm fan (low noise but great CFM). For the side, I removed the original plastic from the console and placed a Vizo Muffle 80mm fan. Both fans are powered with an A/C adaptor.

I know it doesn't look like a professional mod but I have tried playing Lost Planet and Gears Of War for around 12 hours, no artifacts or overheating problems so far. There are not additional mods being done internal to avoid voiding the warranty and yeah, have been running this console for 3 months with my DIY mod.

You can give it a try. Just sharing my experience with you guys.

dude, u better patent that design n make it into end product.. i'll be buying that.. seriously!

currently im using 3rd party exhaust fan "black horn" the hot air coming out of it is terrifying

@sunauto: your DIY mods look practical. how's the exhaust air coming out from the back feels now with the mod? hotter/cooler exhaust air?

actually, comparing the HSF of 360 vs ps3, the 360 is actually not expelling enough heat via its solution. sounds crazy, but the ps3 exhaust air is actually much hotter than the 360, which is good news means all the heat is not trapped inside.

i place the 360 (horizontal) on a notebook cooler on the floor. the notebook cooler uses USB and will work even when the power brick is on standy (orange). make sure the power and video cords are not blocking any vents behind. make sure the vents on the right side have some space to "suck-in " cool air. i usually off the 360 by downloading some small files of the XBLM and put it in low-power downloading mode. the 360 will auto shut off once the file is completely downloaded

so far, only 3RL once and a couple of system hangs - still can use. manufactured june'06.

This post has been edited by acougan: Jul 21 2007, 02:01 PM

i know exactly how u feel.

but i gave in at last. i was dead set on getting the Elite ever since reading bout 3ROD (do a search by member name (haplo) and you'll c)

but then i read that the 65nm was coming this Dec n i was like screw the Elite!

(check out my post here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/477559/+20)

let's get a re-designed 360 that would have solved the 3ROD prob right? But Dec is for the US version! Djinn said that by the time the Asian version comes here it'll be June, 2008. His prediction does make sense becoz the Elite which was launched in April will only now launch in Japan, in October. And guess wat, we have to wait again for the Asian version (apparently Japan is so big and almighty it's a region unto itself!) My guess is that it'll be Feb 08?[

So the 65nm is suppose to be released in the US, in Sep (to coincide with Halo 3's release? ) but a safer bet would be Dec, holiday season for maximum effect.

so plus 6 months to that, looks like we wont even get the Asian version in June. The japs have to get theirs first. So Dec 08?


i mean seriously, if i have to wait til that long wats the f-ing point?!

So last Sat, i went up to Sungei Wang Plaza, found the only shop there selling ORIGINAL ONLY called Games Hypermart, n got myself the Bundled Premium and Gears of War and i have been having the time of my life ever since!!!



I just hope that mine is from the 70% group. if not so wat? get it fixed. Gears of War is too good not to be played. And have u checked out Bioshock and Assassin's Creed preview yet? i have N let's not forget Halo 3.

And since the 360 can play wmvs, i've been watching 720p movies encoded from bluray rips on my plasma.
dvd's resolution is 720×480 and 720p = 1280x720 = again

Where else can u find a 720p wmv player?

Life is short, live it?

hey haplo, is just a prediction only~. 60mn might come early ... or maybe this year

saw in the console thread..the thread starter, ramlijefri bought the xbox 360 already....let me be the first to welCUM u in this community.....

Really ? Then it is safe to said that this new unit will solved the 3ROD problem once and for all? I did admit 360 got very good graphic and games just the reliability problem. I just finished GOW before it kaput. Don't know it is good or bad. he he

if 60mn coming this year, then sure need to get onw.

cmonlah djinn, you and i know, even if it does come this year, it will only be in the US. we have to wait for the europeans and japs before we get it.
so plus 6 months to that and we r left waiting forever.

unless of course is MS does a world wide simultaneous release!

that'll be a first.

yup... like Haplo... I couldn't be bothered towards the end after all the threads...especially with the 60nm chip only arriving next year (end of this year, according to Djinn )...Still, by that time...I think GOW is like passe already!!! Hahahaha!!!
Got some ori games...but can't bloody find GOW!!!
Aieeee!!!
Too busy to move after buyin it yesterday...
Was playing like mad...
Might sound lame..but was sooo into DOA extreme 2 and Def Jam Icon whole time....
Makan mee maggi for lunch and dinner some more!!!
Well... If got time...must look for GOW...hopefully cheap sikit...Spent my saves for this month- over budget!!!
Must wait till end of month for pay...then GOW Online!!!!!

If 3ROD...die

aaaa. long time no see such a good mod. it does not need to look hensem2, if it could serve the purpose tak per. sudah lama tada online. dulu putrajaya juga ada duduk internet takde. sekarang sudah duduk shah alam balik. kawan, guide me on this one. what you use.

Thanks

like MS would want to do simultaneous release... Never...

DOA Xtreme 2 ? anyway, hopefully Gears of War 2 available by then

oh yes... DOA... never saw more shapely gals than that...
It has everythin....volleyball....dip in pool.... water ride... gals... sharing an ice cream...

that game cannot buy want la. (fans for DOA maybe la)

i could never play DOA extreme on my 360, always unreadable disc niamah!

Well Same here, that because thier "batches" got something to do with the Asia MAchine... Weird...

if you purchase a japanese doa xtreme 2.. it work on any console..

but asia doa xtreme 2 just doens't work well on the asia unit...

somemore that time I bring in so many.... 20 pcs somemore .. now all tendang balik ke singapore.

if i got like new model, this yr model. can the 3rod possibility being reduce?
how do i know if i got new batch model, is there like yr of manufacturer or a code name model like ps2.

reduce confirm yes la~

but how to check is it new batch ? still no idea . just by the manufacturing code only. But not all xbox 360 come from a same factory..

the reason i ask this, because i'm planning to get one.
wth 3rod attacking at random xbox and at random time, tht will b so scary right.
and not all solutions like x-clamp for 3rod, have 100 % garenti.

right now, not sure to buy one. have to read more.

sod that get doax3 when it comes out i did NOT just say that.. djinn say it.. very humsup ah djinn

happend to me today when play fifa2007...screen freeze...until now none of the game can play already..freeze..have to sent to benard moh next week..