Hey guys, I'm a female ex muslim, my bf is a Christian. We plan to be together in the future but it's hard if we want to migrate because we got our stable jobs here. I'd like to know, if we got married only in church and families, what about our children? Can I give birth in another country, and then send my children to private school? Can it work this way?

Hi Shaaa, speaking of this, your background is the issue, your bf isn't a problem. In Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, and Brunei, anyone marrying a Muslim has to convert as well. In your case, they call it apostasy, I call it freedom to choose one's faith.

Sadly, you may bring your case to fight in court which will incur a lot of money and possibly no conclusion out of it.

Famous case here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Joy

The ruling stated that "a person who wanted to renounce his/her religion must do so according to existing laws or practices of the particular religion. Only after the person has complied with the requirements and the authorities are satisfied that the person has apostatised, can she embrace Christianity.... In other words, a person cannot, at one's whims and fancies renounce or embrace a religion."[10]

Registration of marriage overseas apart from the 4 countries will not help either when the government wants official documents when it comes to government matters such as your children's school etc.

You may hide once, but you may not hide away forever - that's the benefit of being Malaysian - you belong to that community and should be enjoying those facilities and services. There will be schooling, then university, then healthcare, then buying properties etc. Would you want your kids to be like foreigners and they will one day wonder why.

Your children may have to end up being a Muslim on IC and face the same problems like you when you grow up.

We can only hope religion faith goes back to individual and not imposed by institution in Malaysia one day.

If you look Malay it is better to migrate or there will be no peace for you here.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...p-for-m/1828698

Didn’t know got death sentence, confirm ?

Whats wrong with your husband convert to muslim by law and live however you wanna be?

Many Chinese convert to muslim when they married a muslim, and still live their old way of life, like consuming pork, alcohol etc.

I remember in Indonesia you can merry non muslim without converting.

You might need to get a lawyer help for your problem.

You are not the only 1 faced this problem. I know someone born in Christian family but converted to Islam when they are still kid due to mother remerry a Muslim. It's against their will..now they have problem to merry non muslim

Will it be a trap undergoing such a process for born muslims? New converts might have a chance though but still slim

It's a problem coz Islam (Jakim) will interfere with our everydays' life. It's fine if only me stay in hotel california, I dont want to drag someone else in it too.

semoga Allah berikan awak hidayah dan kembali ke jalan yang benar

Jalan yang benar tak pernah memaksa orang.

Tuhan semenjak dahulu yang bagi adalah PILIHAN. dan dalam pilihan, kita perlu bgertanggungjawab atasnya.

Amin.

Thats bull

Nobody got time to intefere your everyday life.

You cannot say that since things like this actually happen

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/m...picnic-12152266

Noone can promise this is not going to happen to TS husband. The risk is small if he doesn't look Malay and they stay out of the more conservative states. But maybe will enforce laws like this in more states in future.

This post has been edited by PATAR: Jan 17 2020, 11:11 PM

if you really want to avoid getting caught with red tapes - get married outside of Malaysia, in a country where interfaith marriage is not an issue and the come back but you may have a problem certifying your marriage here for official purposes.

mohon pencerahan apakah "jalan yang benar" yang dimaksudkan oleh saudara/saudari?

Terima kasih je. Semoga Yeshua beri awak hidayah juga, amen.

You Muslim before this. Any prove? You had pronounce Syahadah, can read al-fatihah, puasa during ramadhan?

Or you just a fake account .

Er i’m malay.
And i’m agnostic.
My gf (different race and religion) got no issue to convert.

As long as my father/happy that’s enough for me. You just got label islam in ur ic does not mean u need to practice it.

Its almost impossible to explain to religious people why u want to get out. Its like discussing with people that have a mental illness disease and delusion.

Or its just like u wakeup in the morning and then you realise that suddenly everyone around you are zombies!

And its pointless to explain to them, instead just pretend ur zombie too and flow with them.

But you can just live urlife as usual, as non religious without they even need to know. You can sambut raya, every festival and be happy with ur family like usual.
No brainer, 0% stress.

All u need todo just feel pity to them, and hope they gonna get cure.


P/S most politicians and royalty in Malaysian and arabs are agnostic or atheism too. The elite always first to know the truth than the sheep. Yet they still pretend they are religious for the sake of power.

This post has been edited by Gyazo: Jan 19 2020, 11:20 AM

Ah, so I c u'r a Christian. That being d case, u hav to put yor faith in Christ, & live truthfully as a Christian couple. Surely God is more powerful than any gov or society on earth.

So, you quit Islam because of BF?

better quit this country. better for everyone. majority will call it complicated. unless u live your life under radar

Better you just migrate to other country and pray that you didn't die here in Malaysia. If one day you die in Malaysia, of course your family will bury you according to Islam way.

Yes, I'm a Malay, of course la I was a Muslim coz I couldnt even chose my religion. You're just denial when hearing Malay Malaysia not Islam anymore. In fb, there are a lot of us.

No. I quit like 4 years ago. Been with my bf a year ago.

Ok thank you. 😞

Your parent know about you leaving Islam? Wonder during your growing up years your parent didn't send you to Fardhu Ain class or ngaji.

If you are a Muslim from birth and a Malay, it is impossible in Malaysia because the law prohibits it.

Because definition of Malay = Muslim.

Very sad case.

When Quran says clear.

There's no compulsion in religion - Verse 256 of Al-Baqara

If u dont mind, why u attract to christian?

i had a malay muslim friend who migrate to australia and convert to christian too.
my advice is to migrate out of malaysia to some other country such as australia and marry there.
peace of life without someone or some organization interfere with your choices or religion.

The f is wrong with terr ga.. Nu..

depends on who you ask

legally there's no public records to find out you potong or not Nor ustaz will open your seluar to look at your Didi when comvert

religiously, there's no mention of it in the Quran.so as far as I'm concerned no mention in Quran means doesn't matter.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/in-other-me...ision-at-age-61

scary. any non-muslim that converted to confirm?

everyone live a lie.

there's Shia here like Mat Sabu who live a lie
there's liberal Muslim here who live a lie
there's non Sunni following Muslim here who live a lie.
there's pedo/gay whatever here who live a lie
there's polygamist overseas who live a lie


that's what being in society is all about.

many angmoh marry Jew go potong lah

True. Because they know the truth. All is wayang to control zombies.

Afaik, the death sentence is there in theory, but the shariah courts have never actually carried it out since it runs in contary with the Federal laws that limit the punishments the Shariah courts can issue, which i think is a few thousand RM or a couple months (or years) in jail

Just convert on paper lah
Don't have to practice it
And don't run your mouth to everyone
Should be OK, same like my uni mate last time
Just diam2 only

Have you considered your children though?

They will be indoctrinated to the religion in school & public

While at home their parents live a lie

Consider the psychological impact

Or if your child innocently let's slip that you don't fast or pray at home, and some "caring" zealot sends the religious police to your house

This post has been edited by joe_star: Jan 25 2020, 02:39 PM

Hi guys, so I was a Muslim in Malaysia and I have a Christian boyfriend in Borneo. I'd like to know if I got permenant resident Singapore, can I change my religion there and then go back Malaysia and get married with him? Can I become a Malaysian back but with new identity (which isnt a Muslim)? Btw, I left not coz of him, we've been together a year where I left since 2016. Please help guys. 😭

#PreachIsntNeeded

They did dear. Sorry to let you know that most ex Muslim got lots of knowledge about Islam. We're the minah rempit/disco people/drug people where still Islam. Get my point?

Sorry I meant *we're not*

You are still a Muslim in Malaysia.

A PR in Singapore does not change that you're still a Malaysian citizen.

It is very difficult to get Malaysian citizenship once you've given it up.

Cannot. Only way is to migrate permanently elsewhere.

my muslim sis in-law, ada kata, in indonesia, muslim and christian can get married. it still depends on area. so as in singapore, which offer interfaith marriage.
untuk gua, it will be very troublesome for both of you, if still staying in malaysia, since ur i.c oledi stated ur religion. beranak kat luar negara tak ada problem, but nak dapat citizenship for ur baby tu yang buat pening kepala. sending kids to international school, tak ada issue.

bro, you speak the truth

Your option:

1) Go through the court process, you will be fined for some penalties.
2) Get married outside of Malaysia, then stay in Malaysia and live quietly. (Many ppl do this)
3) Get out of Malaysia, get married, and stay there. But what is the citizenship of your children later?

Means, legally not yet. But personally yes.

There is a chance you may get tangkap basah if you sleep with him here in MY. SG civil marriage cert might not be recognised for muslim in MY.

Not sure if the above is true, as I don't have good authority on that. It's just my gut feel.

Get a Singapore PR, marry him in Singapore and settle down in Singapore. This is the only workable solution.

no u can't.

the only choice for u is to migrate permanently elsewhere.

Hotel California baby..

Mengucaplah

Migrating should be the best idea right now because the most important stuff about this is You're A Muslim.

I won't comment too much about this but let's put religion as something our pama-tuknek follow since we're born. Life doesn't stops even if you turn atheist and eat oink-oinks. If marriage is important between you two, go ahead and grab it.

Don't bother about that because who knows, two to five years later many stuff change. Maybe that time China passport is the king. US resident step aside.

Not trolling.
Does your parents / family members aware of your choice?