Guys, judging by so much fiasco created by Jakim and those officials infested into Education Ministry, this mean no more future cultural festival celebration at school?

The logic according to Jakim and Top Level education ministry officials, celebrating other people festival will make these students embrace another religion.....like if student celebrate Hari Raya with other muslim students, will make them become muslim, or muslim students celebrate Ponggal with Hindu students will make them become Hindu, or hanging Tang Lung at school will make them become Buddhist and looking at Cross Shape windows panel will make all become Christians?

Are there many racists and chimney mindsets in Jakim and Education Ministry....who are these sad deep state officials? Can the "Acting" Education Minister put a stop to all these nonsense?

Thanks to BN, PAS and rakyat who support this type of narrow thinking.

Thanks to PH, this issue pun kenot handle properly
What purpose to have menteri perpaduan?

before complaining about this...first look at dong zong.....they say if teach teach jawi in only 3 pages will make student change religion...so now kene like this dont complain la....

i happy all my kids go sk even darjah 1 now 8 kelas.

if students are easily influenced
thn we should conduct more science class and sport program

blame dong zong

Both oso same la
Don't look at jakim oni

If the celebration is some kind of religious celebration, Muslims can't be involved too much into it for some reason. Can you at least respect that before sembang about perpaduan and shit?

This post has been edited by ZerOne01: Jan 15 2020, 08:33 AM

well to be fair dong zong started this shit....when i was in school in the 2000's ok je....rilek je sambut...

This govt cannot handle properly
Then next govt by pus n barang naik will be even more direct With their RnR taunts

A few year later ban all festival... Same like indon

Well said.. fanaticism at its peak

thanks to gov that endorse it

JAKIM is so kolot

Jakim are more holy than god

Sikit-sikit takut, sikit-sikit takut... Best to keep their kids locked up safe at home, no media, no exposure to anything of the "outside" world...

Pongal (பொங்கல், /ˈθaɪˈpo�ŋ�l/, also spelled Poṅkal), is also referred to as Thai Pongal (தைப்பொங்கல், also spelled Tai Pongal), is a multi-day Hindu harvest festival of South India, particularly in the Tamil community.[3][4][5] It is observed at the start of the month Tai according to Tamil solar calendar,[4] and this is typically about January 14.[3][1] It is dedicated to the Hindu sun god,[6] the Surya, and corresponds to Makar Sankranti, the harvest festival under many regional names celebrated throughout India.[7][8][9] The three days of the Pongal festival are called Bhogi Pongal, Surya Pongal and Maattu Pongal.[7]


Its dedicated to the Hindu god? No wonder its forbidden for muslim..

Thank God for Jakim and their bilion ringgit budget

If not all will keliru

Wanna ask. If m go to inari shrine and walk under torii gates, can or not? Need to issue warning.

G25 said finding Malaysian Islamic Development Department (Jakim) and the National Council of Islamic Affairs (NCIA) is not provided for by the Federal Constitution.

yup same as kalo cainis kids campur malays kids if all sekolah bergabung, cainis parents afraid their children will be easily influenced to behave like the malay kids. its the truth.

This post has been edited by sanwaltz: Jan 15 2020, 09:01 AM

Syukur takbir ketuanan jakim

Also edu minister

Kesian

Kesian

Yes, technicaly non-Hindus shud not b celebrating it as its abt ofering thanksgiving to d gods for a bountiful crop harvest.

Malaysia ban religion je.
Cultural practice still ok.

u think kids nowadays mind weak like them?

So? I celebrate Gawai in sarawak all the time together with Christian dayak. U don't see them go mass conversion. Lol.

this is why ahjib gor > all

Maybe bijan spy?

retard alert

What about slaughtering of cows during Hari Raya korban in schools? Allowed?

This. All this just the retaliation to dong zong 3 pages jawi protest which i found amusing.

It takes two to tango. Tepuk sebelah tangan takkan berbunyi.

Tahniah dong zong. Misi anda berjaya.

and here they wonder why FDI lari and graduates unemployable!
#ApaMaluBossKu!

Lu jgn soal!
Lu x suka lu keluar!

Actually Jakim should ban festival even celebrated here ....because if it is as easy as convert in school ..... i see the children can be converted even outside also

We are gearing up for PAS to become the next gov

This post has been edited by doppatroll: Jan 15 2020, 09:25 AM

How much more do you want Jakim to have a say in our private affairs?

Thats yor right. I was toking abt d need.

and become like CCP?

ayam dont really get it with all this easy influence mindset. What is wrong with celebrating together.... just stay aside when they're doing the religious stuffs but join in for the feast... free food pun tak mau ka??

Back in the past all race and religion prepares feast and invites each other. There are non Christians preparing Christmas dinners with muslim guests and do the gift exchange ..... or non muslim going to Hari Raya open house to makan and give wishes...

back then even SJKC will throw Hari Raya party for their muslim students and staff despite the small head count (i believe they still do) .. but SK are now banning every other celebration step by step? We are suppose to progress but instead we went backwards and encouraging everyone not to celebrate with each other... respect and perpaduan my ass.

Yes. They start stupid hoohah on 3 pages jawi which even just brief introduction of jawi we saw everyday. They are shame of Chinese community and they doesn't even take care of sjkc so better abolished for good.

Actually this is totally fine. Just eat eat and talk is fine.
Everything you said is actually fine. In that case it's stupid to ban celebrations just because of that.
Only some people who said muslims should join everything is not fine. We do have line that we can't cross.

if menteri perpaduan really do the job, what will happen?

malay students cannot celebrate ponggal

habislah, Malaysia is doomed!

kek

This post has been edited by Hinoarashi9: Jan 15 2020, 09:41 AM

ini conversion

actually it's the same to the nons also as there are lines where we do not cross.... even it is not right for an atheist to join in prayers because it feels like interrupting.

we should change our mindset that our non-involvement in other's prayers is about respecting other's practices... but not really about it going against our own faiths and beliefs... but all religion now just wanna plotek plotek.... Frankly, they wouldn't want to involve outsiders in their prayers as well. (maybe this doesnt apply to Christians )

But other than that.. no harm getting involved la.... break coconut during thaipussam or share gifts during Christmas for the fun of it eventhough these action has religion significance... but it's not really praying. Afterall the actual prayers are usually always done in closed doors anyways so why worry.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 15 2020, 09:51 AM

Yes we shared the same sentiments, and honestly kind of sad when this kinda news appear and people blame and disrespect the whole race and religion entirely.
We also disagree with each other regarding this, so it's kind of unfair to group us together.

Hari Raya Puasa / Hari Raya Haji also no more right? These are 2 religion festival.

now start from school.. soon slowly creeping into shopping malls.. end up the whole nation also cant celebrate.. just like brunei.. u see lar

Yalor, we just greet because we know they are celebrating and want to wish them well. Doesn't mean already entered the religion.

What to do 3 pages tak jadi..

All my classmates cinapek malaypek Indian pek study jawi during primary school.. Semua OK.. Is not like our kkc will kena sunat.. Why this Dz so power hungry blocking msian to be truly msian?

since when dong zong represent chinese? you guys do know i can tell dong zong to fuck off anytime i want right? just admit this country is going taliban

I know right... what has Malaysia become now.... giving a big voice to extremist on all sides... and what's worse is these unqualified bunch spreading misinformation about cultures..

one most bodoh one is the recent CNY tanglung thing.... They should've known that China is Atheist.. how can it be religious :x

No wonder wolrld kenot be at peace

No more festival celebration at school..., Jakim says students easily influenced
So can ban hari raya KORBAN in school?
Vroom vroom, jangan persoal ini bumi milik siapa.

So many still blaming vernacular school for integration issue.

Meanwhile you can no longer learn about each other culture in national school. Maybe you can only learn about M culture.

The irony.

I laughed too but when I see the shit-stirrer, I no longer care cos he's a well known supremacist
I mean, it's just lunar new year even I gonna celebrate it with my kolik lol

Please google the meaning of celebrate and participate. Are you that stupid rama spokesperson? One thread not enough?

Perpaduan buat apa? Tido ka?

The papers are making it so becos no other cinese association refutes thir claim

Babi, link mana? Main tembak jer Jakim itu Jakim ini. Where's the statement Jakin saying that?

Tanglung is not modern China comunist invention. It's origin can be traced back to buddhist monks lighting lanterns on the 15th day of the first month. During the Han Dynasty, the festival was connected to Ti Yin, the deity of the North Star.

Celebrating CNY is cultural. Participating in Tanglung festival means participating in buddhist tradition.

Kalau dah bersatu padu makna tak yah la ada post tu lagi. Nanti rakyat dah bersatu padu maka tak yah la ada menteri perpaduan lagi.

Just kuatkan iman then its okay

I have no issue with zero festival celebrations in public schools, but what if only Hari Raya celebrations were allowed? Now that will be an issue.

i concur.

Hence, what is it doing now?

Sebab iman kuat la I dont participate in these pagan traditions.

Yah. Must divide and rule.

u are confused. Dong zong is ngo with no power.
Jakim is government dept with more power than every ministry.

I worry my sons futures...

Their generations sure fakap one.

I grow up in national school, attended countless of Hari Raya, Deepavali, Wesak, CNY and other festival like Raya Korban, Ponggal and Thaipusam.

Still don't make me any bit of religious at all.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and they said uighur is against human rights

This is what happens when you have a government religious dept with KPI and need to justify budget. What you think their KPI is? Theres only so much enforcement you can derive from the holy book.

Government dept with more than rm1billion in budget. With power to regulate the actions of regular muslims.

siap satu round la ... before jawi issue, tengok cross on buildings also can cause confusion ... kecoh giler that isu.

you get what you give. just saying.

That's 15th day prayers only by the taoists from specifically the hokkien dialect will do and it's lighting candles burn incense hang tebu or pineapple etc... that prayer is done at night so obviously have to light a lantern what.... but modern days, use normal ceiling light enough.

and this 15th day prayers also so happens to coincide with the lanterns. So just dont join that one if you feel offended... and flying lanterns are dangerous, dont participate better. And if you did not know, there's alot of events going on the 15th day as well... like Chinese valentines aka throw orange. The reason why there's so many different celebrations happening on the 15th day of CNY for the Chinese because it's the first full moon... so go figure.

but tanglung is tanglung which is lit way before the first day of CNY... if it's religious, China wouldve long banned it...

also the 15th day prayers don't happen in communist china and is also not practiced by various other dialect group.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 15 2020, 10:34 AM

Tanglung are just lantern. They are use as source of light or lamps and a necessity in ancient China before electricity is available.

Tanglung festival in China, HK and Taiwan is the last day of CNY, i.e. Chap Goh Meh in Malaysia and Singapore. It has nothing to do with religion or buddhist tradition. There are stories that linked it to religion but it is basically a celebration of the last day of CNY and in ancient time, one of the few days where youngsters especially girls are allowed to go out and have some fun.

In Malaysia & Singapore, tanglung festival is also Mooncake/Mid-Autumm festival. Another festival where there are stories linked to religion but basically its based on the Chinese calendar more than religious reasons. It is mid-autumm and people celebrate before the start of harsh winter month and usually in olden days, people celebrate after harvesting their crops before winter arrives.

hnghhhh can see so many misinformed ppl out there lol...

I can give yall the biggest tip for Chinese celebrations... as long as it involves a jostick and burning paper money, it's religious. Other than that... it's not and it's safe to participate

Hokkiens do not pray on the 15th day. Hokkiens pray on the 8th day of CNY. It is another celebration that have some links to religion but generally it is more like thanksgiving. I think it started during Ming dynasty where Fujian province where Hokkiens originated were attacked by bandits. People believe those bandits were Japanese as there were lots of raids from Japan during this period. They pray using sugarcane because Hokkiens hide in sugarcane field when the bandits raided and thank to heavens they were not discovered.

Wait till the men in robes come into power. What's happening today will be a walk in the park.

Don't think it's gonna happen? Nons already slightly less than 30% population. Majority are trending to be more religious, some have embraced hard line R&R (no thanks to UMNO 60 years rule, propaganda and brainwashing) and this number is growing. Sooner or later, mainstream parties will either become religious party (or be seen to be religious) or be in coalition with hard line religious party. This will ensure winning majority vote and place these men in robes in power. By then, you just be Syukur to keep your citizenship (unlike Brunei where none are not given citizenship) but your life will change drastically and you have zero say on it.

My prediction, earliest GE17 latest GE19, within your lifetime. Nothing is gonna stop this. It is already too late to do anything, no thanks to those damn politicians.

Did you puasa and during Korban slaughter a cow too?

Celebrating is different than participating. I celebrate CNY in the office and in friends home too bit I did not participate in rituals like praying to ancestors etc.

Actually, all Chinese celebrations have links to religious or folk believes including CNY. As I have said before, Chinese beliefs are a mixture of Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and folk believes.

However, all Chinese celebrations are also linked to the Chinese calendar and the rational for celebration is because of the seasonal agricultural period which are totally not religious at all.

Seasonal agricultural celebration also a belief....before all these Jesus, Muhhamad, Gautama, Ayotollah comes about, people praying to Goddess of fertility, sun, mountain, trees, sea, land for good harvest.... so it is a belief system.....

yep.. deswai if you dont join in to light a jostick and burn paper money then it will not be religious.... because there's just too many different things happening altogether and each dialect group have their own... for example some taoist especially hokkiens again will pray every 1st and 15th of the lunar month which is a date that quite alot of other chinese celebrations will clash.

No puasa but I have participated in a few cow slaughtering, during school time and during adult including few years ago slaughter of camel. During the agama class, me and a few non-muslim stayed at the back of the class (school don't have enough non-muslim student to have POL class) until we can hafal alfatihah, which is the first thing they do during agama class.

I also have supported my friends who are taking the kavadi in batu caves, and have to endure the climb up the cave.

Yes you are right. Celebrate! No one is asking to join in the prayers. During the prayers, all you need to do is keep silence and be respectful. Niat itu penting.

True. However, in Islam it's not just about belief. There are things that can do and things that cant do. Cant do then means cant do lah. Simple as that.

Its up to your interpretation. Seasonal agricultural celebration is because people want to have some fun after working hard. In the olden days, the Chinese calendar is vital as it will signify important things such as when to start planting, when to harvest, etc.

There are hardly any celebrations around the world which have no links at all to religion or folk belief. Look at Halloween, if you want to link it to religion, you can but if you just take it as just a time to do something silly, then there will be no problem at all.

The question is do you need a group of people to dictate what is permissible and what is not permissible. People need to use their common sense when it comes to celebration.

ah right the 8th day.. but 15th also got some prayers... i really dunno all these prayers lol. I just watch ppl do it...

especially my relatives who married to hokkiens... they macam alot of prayers going on every month. (luckily im not hokkien)

even some /k also dun understand this yet labeled Muslim racist.

Muslim can't join such ceremony. end of story

Who told you it can't do? That is the question you should ask yourself using common sense instead of following blindly what a group of people decide.

Look at the Ponggol festival. Even if you participate in the cooking or eat the prayer food, does it mean you are praying to their gods? In Islam, you only believe in 1 god, Allah. So if you say participating in the cooking or eat the prayer food means praying to their gods, does it mean you're acknowledging the existence of gods other than Allah. This is also a question some Christians need to think too. There are a lot of Christians who do not want to eat prayer food as well.

You should say MUSLIMS should not b celebrating it while other nons r free to join the celebration; no issue.

Technically, anybody can join the celebration n b merry without much relating to religion. Even some veneration to Hindu Gods r not an issue to most people

Let's be precise. What jakim says u can or cannot do.

Except smoking, smoking is fine despite fatwa.

LOL.

rilek la.. biar politicians apa dz / jakim did their shit.. you keep your mind with you then you r safe. otherwise you are their puppet