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> No more festival celebration at school..., Jakim says students easily influenced

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post Jan 15 2020, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 15 2020, 08:31 AM)
Both oso same la
Don't look at jakim oni

If the celebration is some kind of religious celebration, Muslims can't be involved too much into it for some reason. Can you at least respect that before sembang about perpaduan and shit?
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ayam dont really get it with all this easy influence mindset. What is wrong with celebrating together.... just stay aside when they're doing the religious stuffs but join in for the feast... free food pun tak mau ka??

Back in the past all race and religion prepares feast and invites each other. There are non Christians preparing Christmas dinners with muslim guests and do the gift exchange ..... or non muslim going to Hari Raya open house to makan and give wishes...

back then even SJKC will throw Hari Raya party for their muslim students and staff despite the small head count (i believe they still do) .. but SK are now banning every other celebration step by step? We are suppose to progress but instead we went backwards and encouraging everyone not to celebrate with each other... respect and perpaduan my ass.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:32 AM)
Actually this is totally fine. Just eat eat and talk is fine.
Everything you said is actually fine. In that case it's stupid to ban celebrations just because of that.
Only some people who said muslims should join everything is not fine. We do have line that we can't cross.
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actually it's the same to the nons also as there are lines where we do not cross.... even it is not right for an atheist to join in prayers because it feels like interrupting.

we should change our mindset that our non-involvement in other's prayers is about respecting other's practices... but not really about it going against our own faiths and beliefs... but all religion now just wanna plotek plotek.... Frankly, they wouldn't want to involve outsiders in their prayers as well. (maybe this doesnt apply to Christians laugh.gif)

But other than that.. no harm getting involved la.... break coconut during thaipussam or share gifts during Christmas for the fun of it eventhough these action has religion significance... but it's not really praying. Afterall the actual prayers are usually always done in closed doors anyways so why worry.

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post Jan 15 2020, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:52 AM)
Yes we shared the same sentiments, and honestly kind of sad when this kinda news appear and people blame and disrespect the whole race and religion entirely.
We also disagree with each other regarding this, so it's kind of unfair to group us together.
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I know right... what has Malaysia become now.... giving a big voice to extremist on all sides... and what's worse is these unqualified bunch spreading misinformation about cultures..

one most bodoh one is the recent CNY tanglung thing.... They should've known that China is Atheist.. how can it be religious :x
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 10:08 AM)
Tanglung is not modern China comunist invention. It's origin can be traced back to buddhist monks lighting lanterns on the 15th day of the first month. During the Han Dynasty, the festival was connected to Ti Yin, the deity of the North Star.

Celebrating CNY is cultural. Participating in Tanglung festival means participating in buddhist tradition.
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That's 15th day prayers only by the taoists from specifically the hokkien dialect will do and it's lighting candles burn incense hang tebu or pineapple etc... that prayer is done at night so obviously have to light a lantern what.... but modern days, use normal ceiling light enough.

and this 15th day prayers also so happens to coincide with the lanterns. So just dont join that one if you feel offended... and flying lanterns are dangerous, dont participate better. And if you did not know, there's alot of events going on the 15th day as well... like Chinese valentines aka throw orange. The reason why there's so many different celebrations happening on the 15th day of CNY for the Chinese because it's the first full moon... so go figure.

but tanglung is tanglung which is lit way before the first day of CNY... if it's religious, China wouldve long banned it...

also the 15th day prayers don't happen in communist china and is also not practiced by various other dialect group.

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post Jan 15 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:33 AM)
Tanglung are just lantern. They are use as source of light or lamps and a necessity in ancient China before electricity is available.

Tanglung festival in China, HK and Taiwan is the last day of CNY, i.e. Chap Goh Meh in Malaysia and Singapore. It has nothing to do with religion or buddhist tradition. There are stories that linked it to religion but it is basically a celebration of the last day of CNY and in ancient time, one of the few days where youngsters especially girls are allowed to go out and have some fun.

In Malaysia & Singapore, tanglung festival is also Mooncake/Mid-Autumm festival. Another festival where there are stories linked to religion but basically its based on the Chinese calendar more than religious reasons. It is mid-autumm and people celebrate before the start of harsh winter month and usually in olden days, people celebrate after harvesting their crops before winter arrives.
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hnghhhh can see so many misinformed ppl out there lol...

I can give yall the biggest tip for Chinese celebrations... as long as it involves a jostick and burning paper money, it's religious. Other than that... it's not and it's safe to participate laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:51 AM)
Actually, all Chinese celebrations have links to religious or folk believes including CNY. As I have said before, Chinese beliefs are a mixture of Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and folk believes.

However, all Chinese celebrations are also linked to the Chinese calendar and the rational for celebration is because of the seasonal agricultural period which are totally not religious at all.
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yep.. deswai if you dont join in to light a jostick and burn paper money then it will not be religious.... because there's just too many different things happening altogether and each dialect group have their own... for example some taoist especially hokkiens again will pray every 1st and 15th of the lunar month which is a date that quite alot of other chinese celebrations will clash.
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post Jan 15 2020, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:46 AM)
Hokkiens do not pray on the 15th day. Hokkiens pray on the 8th day of CNY. It is another celebration that have some links to religion but generally it is more like thanksgiving. I think it started during Ming dynasty where Fujian province where Hokkiens originated were attacked by bandits. People believe those bandits were Japanese as there were lots of raids from Japan during this period. They pray using sugarcane because Hokkiens hide in sugarcane field when the bandits raided and thank to heavens they were not discovered.
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ah right the 8th day.. but 15th also got some prayers... i really dunno all these prayers lol. I just watch ppl do it...

especially my relatives who married to hokkiens... they macam alot of prayers going on every month. (luckily im not hokkien)

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