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No more festival celebration at school..., Jakim says students easily influenced
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Namelessone1973
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 Jan 15 2020, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 10:08 AM) Tanglung is not modern China comunist invention. It's origin can be traced back to buddhist monks lighting lanterns on the 15th day of the first month. During the Han Dynasty, the festival was connected to Ti Yin, the deity of the North Star. Celebrating CNY is cultural. Participating in Tanglung festival means participating in buddhist tradition. Tanglung are just lantern. They are use as source of light or lamps and a necessity in ancient China before electricity is available. Tanglung festival in China, HK and Taiwan is the last day of CNY, i.e. Chap Goh Meh in Malaysia and Singapore. It has nothing to do with religion or buddhist tradition. There are stories that linked it to religion but it is basically a celebration of the last day of CNY and in ancient time, one of the few days where youngsters especially girls are allowed to go out and have some fun. In Malaysia & Singapore, tanglung festival is also Mooncake/Mid-Autumm festival. Another festival where there are stories linked to religion but basically its based on the Chinese calendar more than religious reasons. It is mid-autumm and people celebrate before the start of harsh winter month and usually in olden days, people celebrate after harvesting their crops before winter arrives. |
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Namelessone1973
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Jan 15 2020, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 15 2020, 10:33 AM) That's 15th day prayers only by the taoists from specifically the hokkien dialect will do and it's lighting candles burn incense hang tebu or pineapple etc... that prayer is done at night so obviously have to light a lantern what.... and this 15th day prayers also so happens to coincide with the lanterns. So just dont join that one if you feel offended... and flying lanterns are dangerous, dont participate better. And if you did not know, there's alot of events going on the 15th day as well... like Chinese valentines aka throw orange. The reason why there's so many different celebrations happening on the 15th day of CNY for the Chinese because it's the first full moon... so go figure. but tanglung is tanglung which is lit way before the first day of CNY... if it's religious, China wouldve long banned it... also the 15th day prayers don't happen in communist china and is also not practiced by various other dialect group. Hokkiens do not pray on the 15th day. Hokkiens pray on the 8th day of CNY. It is another celebration that have some links to religion but generally it is more like thanksgiving. I think it started during Ming dynasty where Fujian province where Hokkiens originated were attacked by bandits. People believe those bandits were Japanese as there were lots of raids from Japan during this period. They pray using sugarcane because Hokkiens hide in sugarcane field when the bandits raided and thank to heavens they were not discovered. |
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Namelessone1973
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Jan 15 2020, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 15 2020, 10:39 AM) hnghhhh can see so many misinformed ppl out there lol... I can give yall the biggest tip for Chinese celebrations... as long as it involves a jostick and burning paper money, it's religious. Other than that... it's not and it's safe to participate  Actually, all Chinese celebrations have links to religious or folk believes including CNY. As I have said before, Chinese beliefs are a mixture of Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and folk believes. However, all Chinese celebrations are also linked to the Chinese calendar and the rational for celebration is because of the seasonal agricultural period which are totally not religious at all. |
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Namelessone1973
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Jan 15 2020, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(catherintherye @ Jan 15 2020, 10:55 AM) Seasonal agricultural celebration also a belief....before all these Jesus, Muhhamad, Gautama, Ayotollah comes about, people praying to Goddess of fertility, sun, mountain, trees, sea, land for good harvest.... so it is a belief system..... Its up to your interpretation. Seasonal agricultural celebration is because people want to have some fun after working hard. In the olden days, the Chinese calendar is vital as it will signify important things such as when to start planting, when to harvest, etc. There are hardly any celebrations around the world which have no links at all to religion or folk belief. Look at Halloween, if you want to link it to religion, you can but if you just take it as just a time to do something silly, then there will be no problem at all. The question is do you need a group of people to dictate what is permissible and what is not permissible. People need to use their common sense when it comes to celebration. |
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Namelessone1973
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Jan 15 2020, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 11:05 AM) True. However, in Islam it's not just about belief. There are things that can do and things that cant do. Cant do then means cant do lah. Simple as that. Who told you it can't do? That is the question you should ask yourself using common sense instead of following blindly what a group of people decide. Look at the Ponggol festival. Even if you participate in the cooking or eat the prayer food, does it mean you are praying to their gods? In Islam, you only believe in 1 god, Allah. So if you say participating in the cooking or eat the prayer food means praying to their gods, does it mean you're acknowledging the existence of gods other than Allah. This is also a question some Christians need to think too. There are a lot of Christians who do not want to eat prayer food as well. |
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