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> No more festival celebration at school..., Jakim says students easily influenced

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TrollNoob
post Jan 15 2020, 10:05 AM

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Perpaduan buat apa? Tido ka?
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(jacckl @ Jan 15 2020, 09:55 AM)
since when dong zong represent chinese? you guys do know i can tell dong zong to fuck off anytime i want right? just admit this country is going taliban
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The papers are making it so becos no other cinese association refutes thir claim
RoyMcAvoy
post Jan 15 2020, 10:07 AM

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Babi, link mana? Main tembak jer Jakim itu Jakim ini. Where's the statement Jakin saying that?
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 15 2020, 09:58 AM)
I know right... what has Malaysia become now.... giving a big voice to extremist on all sides... and what's worse is these unqualified bunch spreading misinformation about cultures..

one most bodoh one is the recent CNY tanglung thing.... They should've known that China is Atheist.. how can it be religious :x
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Tanglung is not modern China comunist invention. It's origin can be traced back to buddhist monks lighting lanterns on the 15th day of the first month. During the Han Dynasty, the festival was connected to Ti Yin, the deity of the North Star.

Celebrating CNY is cultural. Participating in Tanglung festival means participating in buddhist tradition.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(TrollNoob @ Jan 15 2020, 10:05 AM)
Perpaduan buat apa? Tido ka?
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Kalau dah bersatu padu makna tak yah la ada post tu lagi. Nanti rakyat dah bersatu padu maka tak yah la ada menteri perpaduan lagi.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 10:08 AM)
Tanglung is not modern China comunist invention. It's origin can be traced back to buddhist monks lighting lanterns on the 15th day of the first month. During the Han Dynasty, the festival was connected to Ti Yin, the deity of the North Star.

Celebrating CNY is cultural. Participating in Tanglung festival means participating in buddhist tradition.
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Just kuatkan iman then its okay
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:12 AM

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I have no issue with zero festival celebrations in public schools, but what if only Hari Raya celebrations were allowed? Now that will be an issue.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 10:09 AM)
Kalau dah bersatu padu makna tak yah la ada post tu lagi. Nanti rakyat dah bersatu padu maka tak yah la ada menteri perpaduan lagi.
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i concur.

Hence, what is it doing now?
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Jan 15 2020, 10:11 AM)
Just kuatkan iman then its okay
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Sebab iman kuat la I dont participate in these pagan traditions.
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QUOTE(TrollNoob @ Jan 15 2020, 10:12 AM)
i concur.

Hence, what is it doing now?
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Yah. Must divide and rule.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(dawho @ Jan 15 2020, 08:23 AM)
before complaining about this...first look at dong zong.....they say if teach teach jawi in only 3 pages will make student change religion...so now kene like this dont complain la....
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u are confused. Dong zong is ngo with no power.
Jakim is government dept with more power than every ministry.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 10:13 AM)
Yah. Must divide and rule.
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I worry my sons futures...

Their generations sure fakap one.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:22 AM

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I grow up in national school, attended countless of Hari Raya, Deepavali, Wesak, CNY and other festival like Raya Korban, Ponggal and Thaipusam.

Still don't make me any bit of religious at all.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM)
u are confused. Dong zong is ngo with no power.
Jakim is government dept with more power than every ministry.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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post Jan 15 2020, 10:23 AM

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and they said uighur is against human rights
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:25 AM

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This is what happens when you have a government religious dept with KPI and need to justify budget. What you think their KPI is? Theres only so much enforcement you can derive from the holy book.

QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM)
u are confused. Dong zong is ngo with no power.
Jakim is government dept with more power than every ministry.
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Government dept with more than rm1billion in budget. With power to regulate the actions of regular muslims.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(dawho @ Jan 15 2020, 08:23 AM)
before complaining about this...first look at dong zong.....they say if teach teach jawi in only 3 pages will make student change religion...so now kene like this dont complain la....
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siap satu round la ... before jawi issue, tengok cross on buildings also can cause confusion ... kecoh giler that isu.

you get what you give. just saying.


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post Jan 15 2020, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 10:08 AM)
Tanglung is not modern China comunist invention. It's origin can be traced back to buddhist monks lighting lanterns on the 15th day of the first month. During the Han Dynasty, the festival was connected to Ti Yin, the deity of the North Star.

Celebrating CNY is cultural. Participating in Tanglung festival means participating in buddhist tradition.
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That's 15th day prayers only by the taoists from specifically the hokkien dialect will do and it's lighting candles burn incense hang tebu or pineapple etc... that prayer is done at night so obviously have to light a lantern what.... but modern days, use normal ceiling light enough.

and this 15th day prayers also so happens to coincide with the lanterns. So just dont join that one if you feel offended... and flying lanterns are dangerous, dont participate better. And if you did not know, there's alot of events going on the 15th day as well... like Chinese valentines aka throw orange. The reason why there's so many different celebrations happening on the 15th day of CNY for the Chinese because it's the first full moon... so go figure.

but tanglung is tanglung which is lit way before the first day of CNY... if it's religious, China wouldve long banned it...

also the 15th day prayers don't happen in communist china and is also not practiced by various other dialect group.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 15 2020, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 10:08 AM)
Tanglung is not modern China comunist invention. It's origin can be traced back to buddhist monks lighting lanterns on the 15th day of the first month. During the Han Dynasty, the festival was connected to Ti Yin, the deity of the North Star.

Celebrating CNY is cultural. Participating in Tanglung festival means participating in buddhist tradition.
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Tanglung are just lantern. They are use as source of light or lamps and a necessity in ancient China before electricity is available.

Tanglung festival in China, HK and Taiwan is the last day of CNY, i.e. Chap Goh Meh in Malaysia and Singapore. It has nothing to do with religion or buddhist tradition. There are stories that linked it to religion but it is basically a celebration of the last day of CNY and in ancient time, one of the few days where youngsters especially girls are allowed to go out and have some fun.

In Malaysia & Singapore, tanglung festival is also Mooncake/Mid-Autumm festival. Another festival where there are stories linked to religion but basically its based on the Chinese calendar more than religious reasons. It is mid-autumm and people celebrate before the start of harsh winter month and usually in olden days, people celebrate after harvesting their crops before winter arrives.

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post Jan 15 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:33 AM)
Tanglung are just lantern. They are use as source of light or lamps and a necessity in ancient China before electricity is available.

Tanglung festival in China, HK and Taiwan is the last day of CNY, i.e. Chap Goh Meh in Malaysia and Singapore. It has nothing to do with religion or buddhist tradition. There are stories that linked it to religion but it is basically a celebration of the last day of CNY and in ancient time, one of the few days where youngsters especially girls are allowed to go out and have some fun.

In Malaysia & Singapore, tanglung festival is also Mooncake/Mid-Autumm festival. Another festival where there are stories linked to religion but basically its based on the Chinese calendar more than religious reasons. It is mid-autumm and people celebrate before the start of harsh winter month and usually in olden days, people celebrate after harvesting their crops before winter arrives.
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hnghhhh can see so many misinformed ppl out there lol...

I can give yall the biggest tip for Chinese celebrations... as long as it involves a jostick and burning paper money, it's religious. Other than that... it's not and it's safe to participate laugh.gif

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