My uncle married his wife for 15 years got one son and one daughter

His wife mother got 2 properties:
1) wife share with mother 50/50. Mother help pay down payment 100k for 500k property. But the wife work her ass off to pay for property (most of her salary go to the property). As a result, uncle have to tanggung most of the household expenses for 15 years. He feel like he is indirectly paying for the property in which the wife mother has 50% share. The mother has said that she will pass the 500k property to his wife. But she pay most of it.

2) Bangalow worth 3 mil where mother and brother is living there. Wife mother decided to pass the whole Bangalow to the brother who was single.

Issue: my uncle has 2 kids (my cousins) and he feel it is unfair that they lost their inheritance. They inherit a property that is mostly paid by his wife as mother only help 100k downpayment. My uncle not interested in the Bangalow, he only want his kids to benefit. Wife decided not to contest and give to the brother everything. But recently the brother found love and is about to be engaged.

Issue2: my uncle has good relations with his mother in law n brother. But his constant persuasion with his wife on this matter would threaten to make relations worse as this is a sensitive matter.

Issue3: my uncle feel unfair he has to work hard and sweat while the wife unable to contribute due to the mother persuasion to make her buy this property when he was bf and gf with her.

Issue4: my uncle not interested in the Bangalow but he wants their kids to have a share for their future

Conclusion: if you were in his shoes, what would you do?


1) leave it as relations with in laws more important
2) fight for children all the way
3) do it diplomatically but wife still not listen then forget it

it is your grandma right to give her property to whoever she want. fullstop
so i choose 1

it is your uncle duty to give to his kids.

It is up the grandma to select who she want to inherit her wealth or property. The grandma can as well as give 100% fully to the son or to donate everything.

I think that your uncle is being sour, she should communicate with his wife. If the wife housing loan is too much of a burden to the family, just sell it instead of eyeing for the grandma property

Feel like its fair that if the wife paid for the first property, then she basically should own it outright.

If the mother was fair she'd divide the other house up equally between the wife and her brother (assuming it was the mother/father who bought it solely on their own, so its completely an inheritance from them).

But like the others said in this thread, its all up to the grandmother. In our patriarchal society people tend to favour men in these kinds of things, the mother will think the wife has the husband to rely on already while the son has to be the provider so better to give him everything.

This post has been edited by RViN: Jan 14 2020, 06:59 PM

Strawberry charsiew take mom and sister's property that he has paid 0 cent himself. Already got 3 mil property still want to rob the sister. Damn charsiew.

If the property is solely under mother-in-law's name and your aunt has no interest in the property, I feel for your uncle, but there's nothing that can be done since your aunt has made up her mind. Even if she wants it, she doesn't have title, also can't do anything. Dwelling on the issue will only destroy their relationship, not worthy over unrecoverable monies.

I think at best option 3 ba. Make sure not to cross the line and permanently destroy the relationship with your aunt.

I feel for your uncle, it is really unfortunate.

Moral of the story is never ever pay for properties not under your own name unless you are prepared to gift it to that person. Your uncle should have prepared for this scenario when he went along paying for his mother-in-law's property albeit indirectly. I still feel for him though.

This post has been edited by kygt99: Jan 14 2020, 07:15 PM

No. 3. They defenitely have share on that house. As the brother to pay them a bit. Consider they sell their share on the house

Dude, your uncle is in no way entitled to the RM3m bungalow. True, he does not want it for himself, but your cousins are not strictly entitled to it either.

It is the choice of grandma to give the house to whomever she wants.

The RM500k house arrangement was settled before they were even married, so he went in with eyes open. Again, he married her knowing the situation, not like it was an unexpected financial decision.

Grandma may have chosen to give the house to her son because they live together, possibly better relations than her daughter.

In any case, your uncle should:

2) fight for children all the way <----- but fight using his own financial means, not some inheritance that they may or may not be entitled to.

Your uncle has no claim on the bungalow whether for himself or his children. It is mom-in-law's prerogative to give to who she wants.

As for the RM500K property mom-in-law helped pay RM100K for it but will make no claim on the property. Appreciate her generosity.

I don't see what is your uncle's problem. In terms of inheritance, sons are favoured over daughters. Sometimes daughters get nothing or just a token sum.

Tell you what... stay away from your uncle, he is nothing but a kau-ci-kwan... a shit stirring stick.

Whatever his wife and his wife's mother want to do, it has nothing to do with him and his offsprings.

So the kau-ci-kwan is red eye and hoping the maternal grandma to kick her son out of the bungalow, sell it, and split the money and give part of it to the maternal grandchildren (his children).

Did your shit stirrer uncle married your aunt because she is from a wealthy family?

edit: cchildren corrected to grandchildren.


This post has been edited by ScooterBoi: Jan 14 2020, 09:54 PM

Fight what? How you plan to fight? Go to court? Or confront mother in law? It is mother in law’s right to will it to whoever she wants...

It’s not that.
The wife mother has burdened my uncle finances for 15 years. She persuaded his wife to buy that property and she take half ownership. Therefore the wife told him that she is unable to help family expenses because her whole salary pays for the property. My uncle feel there is something the mother is trying to do by tying my auntie (his wife) finances to force him to pay for everything- house loan, children education.

And further my poor cousins get nothing but all goes to the wife brother.

My uncle is asking his wife to fight for it. He knows she is a soft person and dare not stand up to her brother. He is not interested in the property but he wants his kids to have the entitlement.

Actually if the wife speak out- The mother may consider.

But she is timid and bullied by the brother not dare to speak up

Aiya.... dun want to give already some more fight what? He doesn’t want the prop but want to fight for the kids means he want it lor..... once the kids get a share of the bungalow, then your uncle can spend his own money to enjoy more lor...

Already got 100k upfront for house should be happy. Consider it a forced savings. After paying off, will probably be worth more and saved a lot on interest already.

Hard to fight unless want to go to court and declare will invalid as the old lady is senile, I think. Don't see what other options as he and the wife didn't contribute to the house.

He may feel it's unfair but that's life.

Don't just listen to what you uncle is saying... look at his relationship with his wife from another perspective.

There's nothing wrong in purchasing a house in joint names. As it is, your aunty mother is giving her share of the house to your aunty. Maybe the mother was wise and the house is a good investment. Your aunt can now sell it if finances is tight.

Sounds like your uncle is really a shit stirrer... he is instigating his wife to 'fight' her mother and also her brother so that her children can some money.

He also sounds like a loser who don't have much to leave to his children... so aiming for money from their maternal grandma.

Using the children as an excuse, he is putting his wife in a tough position... mother and brother is related in blood, and her children her blood. What a dick!

1. Your poor cousins get a RM500k house that their mother mostly paid for, not nothing.

2. Your uncle MARRIED into the situation. They were gf/bf when it happened. He had a CHOICE before the marriage.

3. The wife's mother did not tie your uncle down. HIS WIFE DID.

4. Why does your uncle's wife deserve the house MORE than her brother? Just because they have children?

First calculate properly with receipts and documentation how much your wife paid for the shared property

Then make a claim that that amount is 100% belongs to your wife

Then propose that the remaining amount plus the bungalow value be split equally between the children of your uncle's wife's mother ie your uncle's wife and brother

Though frankly if your uncle's wife no balls to say anything there's nothing you can do

Ya, the uncle is really sour putting his wife in a difficult situation with her mother.
I don't understand why you keep saying that they get nothing, maybe in comparison 100k is nothing to 3 million? But if you always compare there is no way it can be balance. And in the end, the law is just that it is prerogative of the grandma. As long as she made a will and it it legitimate.

Both son and daughter should always assume that you will not inherit anything. The daughter should be gracious that they grow up OK, have education, instead of in debt. It is totally up to the grandma how he want to use her money and who she want to give to. It is legitimate if grandma don't want to give a cent to the daughter and even request 50% of the house ownership

And besides, as you said, the son is getting married and if he had son. Your uncle want share for his children at this point of time without even considering that the grandma is still living well....

Such hypocrite.

Most funny of all is that your uncle complaint that he is the only one supplying for "his" company. If he cannot support her wife and children might as well don't get married. Thousand and millions of household have housewife that is not working and I don't see those husband complaining. Even if it is very tight, the husband can always sit down and discuss with the wife to maybe sell the house... to lighten the burden. But no, he wants the house and also more for his children...

All in all from your description, I think your uncle is a bad character.

I think this one somewhat non-issue. Just need to help your uncle think from a different perspective.

The grandma still old fashion. Everything give son. Wont be 50/50. I am assuming chinese family. Even non-chinese also same. Very rare as i know, will favour the daughters.

Secondly, the daughter/wife did work hard but still at least paid for her own house. Maybe your uncle feel unjust but, treat it as if first house is bought by husband 2nd house bought by wife and by today's standard, seems to be normal to have more than 1 house.

Third, the kids no other inheritance from the grandma? Cash, etc? Honestly property is sticky. Even if today the grandma will 10% of the house to each grandchild, and 80% to the uncle, the 10% is on paper. If cant sell, no cash value. And can only stay. I dont know why your uncle obsess with the house. If your uncle is thinking forever stay there, the grandchild get 10% of a supposedly 3mil bungalow but can never enjoy the value.

If really was an inheritance like someone say here, create for your own child.

Ok one final post...

Ts,

what you are telling here is from your uncle. Maybe there is a reason your aunty is not telling why she prefers to continue paying instalments to the 500k house in joint names with her mother.

If anything happens to her, her mother will get some money when it is sold. So will her husband and children.

And in case there is divorce and her husband left her, she still have a house under her name.

If I were her, I will be very careful if the husband ask to put his name onto the house title after the mother's share is transferred.