Sometimes there will be criminal elements or drug users in your company or in your workforce.

What do you do? How to weed them out?

Immediate expulsion

is that any impact to the company and office environment?

Immediately out. No justifications.

Its so easy to say. But to do it, you need to have the guts to confront the situation.

lipot to ur boss

But you don't know, you merely suspect and based on hearsay.

How do you prove that a part of your workforce is on drugs?

How do you have the guts to tackle the elephant in the room?

30 years experience in HR you dunno what to do?

Suspect and hearsay is not strong enough proof of immediate dismissal.

Does his drug habits affect his performance in office?

Haha, already done that.

Lets just say - strong suspicion.

How about his performance?

If he is a strong performer, I would let it slide till strong proof is obtained.

If he is a bad performer, I would find signs in his behavior (eg. lethargic and sleepy) to warrant a medical check. A medical blood check will tell me if drugs are in his body.

I got one drug addict worker before. He didn't do any crime but one day he just ran away from his hostel when high on drugs. Naked some more... After we managed to find him he is already at his home. Saying he wont return anymore, saying his hostel got ghost wanted to kill him. Even his salary also don't want.

I usually will give them chance but if I caught them taking drugs I will immediately fire them.

I open this thread and others for engaging in healthy social debate, to share experiences and to discuss in a matured manner etc.

I have never resorted to calling names, labelling people derogatory words, this and that, using profanities etc.

Everytime you utter such things how about yourself?

Don't you have manners? Don't you feel shame?

Take a look in the mirror and see.

You are free to disagree, or to agree, or to suggest.

If you want to discuss and engage, I'm happy to.

But if you want to have destructive comments, wisecracks or to be rude etc etc, I will close this thread.

This is after all - Serious Kopitiam

Perhaps its fortunate that mod has shifted the threads here. - Thank you mod.

My gratitude to selinix for her suggestion.

Thank you for your cooperation.

This post has been edited by ipohmali70: Dec 30 2019, 01:39 PM

You are welcome. Glad u took the suggestion as i know how destructive it can get when ktards are involve.
Btw i am not a her.

Can we ask police to come and do urine test?

Zero tolerance policy on substance abuse

Everybody also say like this but how to carry it out?

I.e. to identify and to execute an action plan.

"Random" drug test to everyone in the department

Does the department colleagues know, though?

Then, why not a random blood test? No time to take MC

Dude, unrine test


Never heard before?

My employees are subjected to random surprise urine test. Failure to comply will result in immediate termination. Failing the drug test for the first time will get you counseling session, access to rehab and a period of probation which will have many more urine test. Any employee from CEO to cleaning lady has this inserted into their employment letter. Our machinery operators, drivers, QA on average gets surprised tested at least once a year.

If you do not have this drug test clause signed when you employ them, then You cannot obtain a urine/blood sample legally for drug test without their consent.

However, a simple naik gaji/bonus/promotion offered to them would enable you to rewrite the terms of their employment and you can insert such clause to allow random checks. 9/10 does not read the fine print. Is it legal? Yes. Can they fight you in court, yes, but how many drug users wants to go to court and risk kena test? Just make sure you do it in unison otherwise the gig is up for others.

You cannot draw urine or blood samples without consent. Company policy is useless against this unless the employees give consent. If you reprimand or terminate them for their failure to comply you're opening yourself and the company a world of pain cause lawyers are gonna have a field day with you

There a thing call drug test, they do it all the time ( aus, nz)

If it doesnt hinder his performance or is a danger to others, why even bother?

Everyone uses drugs every day, like coffee

As long as no substance abuse during work and meet performance, there is no case.
Company can implement substance test as long is it consent.

We had a workforce of about 22 people in our projects department.

It is suspected that a few of them are on drugs, based on hearsay and circumstancial evidence.

Furthermore, hard drugs are found inside cigarette boxes hidden in the toilet and other places.

We suspect certain individuals but are not 100% sure.

This has even been going on for some time.

Finally a police report is lodged and the assistance of the police is sought.

We made a roll call in the morning and the technicians lined up.

The police came and brought out containers for urine samples.

The urine samples are collected.

As a result 4 are arrested, 2 for drugs and a further 2 for armed robbery and snatch theft.

Problem solved.

Seriously, drug tests? Your work environment must be pretty bad.

I must admit it was really pretty bad then.

Drug abuse, stealing, missing stocks.

Now ok.

medical checkup should reveal that. who skipped this step?

Just curious, what sort of drug?

I guess meth, most common

Our offices does random drug test.. if found positive, immediate termination

First thing is to report police so that they can do medical checkup to confirm if the staff is under drug influence.

report to integrity unit.

your name wont be made public, he will face the consequences.

Dont tell me u wanna enforce drug test in your company ah aaron?

There are many drug addicts in every working environments, especially in service lines hotel, fnb, fisheries, logistics etc. You cant avoid them but rather policing substance use in working environment

My childhood friend is still on weed from time to time. Still functioning as a staff at some bank. I am not worried about him, but he sleeps very little most of the time. Comes back wee hours in the morning and goes to work at 8.30 next morning.

Thats the problem with the majority workers these days

There is a way to obtain a medical report from employee.

Just announce to few SELECTED employees that company is going to send them to some African country for a project.

Medical report and blood test is usually mandatory.
I have done HIV blood test for Iraq because of some strange requirement.
6 jabs of vaccine to Nigeria.
So it is not unusual to request those selected to undergo full medical checkup.

However, you still need to see if the medical report later can be a solid ground for dismissal.

After few months, just said the project didnt materialize.
If you inform them about project in Nigeria,
Trust me most of your employees gonna be jumping up celebrating when you announce the project didnt work out.
That how you backoff after obtaining the medical report.

Ethically, thats another matter.

one of my friend works in a bank near jalan ampang and he likes to smoke weed at the parking lot during lunch hour or after work with his other colleagues.

one day suddenly group of cops come raid the parking lot and catch all of them. now all kena dismissed. one of the admin staff snitch on them.

so dangerous... call police la..... later 1 jarum cucuk you then you habis hohohoho

So how did TS deal with the situation?

Take a look in DOSH website. got guideline about drug prevetion or something. I was working on similar guidelines for our group.

At least that is a start though..

Last month got an employee suddenly rage, attack someone and gone haywire. We suspected him taking drugs, because later when caught, bring to clinic he didn't cooperate in urine test. So bring to police station suddenly cooperate.

Witness told us in the car during commute to clinic he talk nonsense, cry and laugh suddenly. So people start suspecting of drugs abuse.

Sent those urine test and do some clinical examination, Turns out he got some mental health issue.. now still under treatment..

So we learnt through that case, that medical health report is our basis for any action. The suspect also allowed to get 2nd opinion or 3rd opinion under their own cost for further clarification.

Because there is false positive result in clinical test. So further test is required if the suspect insist on their innosence.

At least this is what happen in our company..

Call AADK. They can do random urine test

report to police. drug addicts are not allowed in malaysia. it endangers life of ur workers.

call adk and arrange for spotcheck

This post has been edited by Fenix98: Jan 9 2020, 12:42 AM

Or you could call the pulis if you suspect they’re doing drugs at work....

This post has been edited by Fenix98: Jan 9 2020, 12:43 AM

Oil n gas has been practicing this

Most companies practice zero tolerance when it comes to drugs I suppose. We caught a few staff selling and smoking weed (caught purely by accident during random CCTV review) and all of them were terminated after conducting DI. In the hindsight, I personally don't think they were addicts, just recreational users, but from a management's perspective it's not a vice you want to be rampant in the workplace.

Yeah. Unless it affects his works or endangers others in the workplace like forklift operator who cares.
Malaysians a bit funny one. Always blindly apply law but never ask the spirit behind the law, why it’s there in first place.