at least u guys did something better than did nothing....take it easy ^^....it's tough to handle such crowded situation

if things like this happen, i think its better if the other teams or spectators alert the marshall. rite ? dont blame the marshalls. they did a good job.

why should there be a drafting time?
an additional few minutes wouldnt hurt anyone,
but it ensures a better draft and more competitive game instead of a game with heroes drafted in a rush which could cause that team to lose

To:Mr.Anonymous1234

As u said "im not flaming or anything ya know. im just voicing out my opinions. if you think there aren't noisy. fine keep it as it is. im just merely telling you my opinions. not flaming anyone ya know." But now many of people give u on their our opinion is can Mr.Anonymous1234 DIAM a bit!!! All ur opinion , the dar kor lim have said u can give a call to him and ur opinions the marshal have give u the answer with what the problem have being face on day of tournament. So on my opinion is why don u send your opinion and contact to dar kor lim and stop flaming here, oh sorry is kacau here.

One more opinion : since u think your self damn good, why don u make a tournament then we all come and join, so we can know how good and strong u are!!

I saw the all cybertime match, their five player also damn strong .Now is my opinion : i like the way Ct-MIAO play. Haha, Miao can be my "sifu"

This post has been edited by leechong: Jul 23 2007, 08:57 PM

i guess annonymous is just trying to voice out his opinions. He has the freedom to speak as he wishes to.
Stop flaming him alr. As a participant, to be honest, i do feel a bit irritated when they are too many ppl cramped inside
the already small cc making a hell lot of noise. I was already tensed during the match, and for gods sake, the last thing i would want is some smart ass dude telling me what to do.
If this doesnt make things worst, it was alr hot enough, and with the extra ppl cramping inside the cc, i was really sweating while playing my match..
However, i would like to give credit to the marshall thou. They did all they could do 2 control the situation. at one point they even limited to the competition area to teammembers only.
They were not many marshalls compared to the hordes of people at the cc. Kudos to them for their well done job.

Erm, it's possible to try. Most of the big CC now has the Oxygen room. and i noticed Penang SMM has an area for Referee's/Observer PC which was restricted from other players. These are ideal place for drafting. Maybe not all got la, but at least i think these places are better than drafting in the middle of nowhere.

Okla, maybe not too tight of a time, but definitely u can't just let the teams draft as long as they want right? SMM isn't a typical kampung tourney, you see. There's time constraint and no one wants to play till midnight where usually the tourney runs for 2days... even as a contestant, i'm exhausted, what bout the marshalls? What i meant here was; since there's no yardstick to compare with in malaysia.. maybe the organizers can come out with a system where everyone can just obey instead of leaving spaces for unnecessary dispute.

Eh, chill la. when everyone trying to come to the point of peaceful discussion, bolded and colored words are really not needed ler... if we wanna carik gaduh, we won't be even discussing anything here, isn't it?

peace out.

I tot only the trophy i have the head break... din even know cybertime having the same problem... use more better material for the grand final lo...

budget la wei

Bz-DK damn dog lor.

lol my trophy worse man!
i didnt touch it at all, then i went home and check the thing broke alraedy ''

GG trophy lol

lolx....another ppl having the same signature with me.......

Anyone has the replay for sT win Sino-MnG? I downloaded the quarter final zip file but it's not included. Anyone who has, please kindly email me win_away@hotmail.com, thanks.

like i said AGAIN, i am not saying that they did an EXTREMELY BAD JOB. need i requote myself again?

Its just that i feel that the contestants need the silence especially during the climax part of the competition. and also when there is a 3rd party involved during drafting, it would be very unfair to their opponents. if ppl say that the participants are facing pressure and need a 3rd party to remind them, that just doesn't make sense. isn't pressure and stress the main things u face during a competition? that is how u gain experience hmm? now im like lecturing wooo. anyways, am sorry for the mean things i said, if there is any. sorry marshalls. i never said u guys did a bad job aight? i just mention some little things u guys might have overlooked at.

come on la, im just saying these little things. and woah, the huge comments i got back. lol. thanks for paying attention.

oh oh and also, the marshalls did uh. kicked the spectators out once in a while. but spectators are troublesome. they keep coming back like flies. so, marshalls, i shall repeat myself again, that u did a good job.

its just little things i mentioned that u might have overlooked at. and btw, i still stand on my words on what i saw and heard. that fact will never change. im sorry.

This post has been edited by Anonymous1234: Jul 24 2007, 09:52 PM

SINO_MNG VS sT match is fatal error.

This post has been edited by MyGaming-Lim: Jul 25 2007, 01:42 AM

SinoNet MNG versus Clan Say Thanks - quarter finals short review

Say Thanks - scourge
queen of pain
pugna
rhasta
terrorblade
skeleton king

SinoNet MNG - sentinel
tinker
zeus
sven
priestess of the moon
lina inverse

in sequence ST had first pick ( forgot what they banned lol -but
should be beastmaster , warlock , sandking , nerubian assassin , bristleback , spectre )

Anyway , the score was pretty even throughout the whole game - 22 - 22 kills , priestess solo'ed top against queen of pain, tinker solo middle against pugna , and zeus , sven and lina dominating against rhasta and skeleton king at bottom lane. Skeleton king had no exp gain at all after the 3rd wave of creep , whilst rhasta went to top to leach xp, terrorblade resorted to forest creeping. Queen of pain played by choonyeah had necromonicon around 22 minute and helped the team score some frags later on.

Pugna's nether ward proves to be a pain in the ass for the sentinel heroes when clan Say thanks were doing their pushes and with skeleton king tanking all the spells and reincarnate while pugna and rhasta clear creep and terrorblade doing hellota damage , clan Say thanks manage to push top lane and break rax around 45 minutes i think.

Game fatal errored around 54 minutes with only one save ( which was at around 20 mins or so) but at 54 minutes clan Say Thanks terrorblade played by CR had power treads butterfly and skadi whilst sinonet's priestess had mjollnir (i think) and sentinel's top raxes were destroyed and when Say Thanks were pushing middle lane and killed 4 sentinel heroes inside the third tower and were attacking the raxes the game fatalled error.

At that point , things were looking horrible for SinoNet and marshall called both teams outside to "negotiate" lol . Sinonet had nice sportsmanship and admitted defeat because of the unsaveable situation. Thus, clan Say Thanks were given a victory and proceeded to semi finals.

thanks

This post has been edited by goofy: Jul 24 2007, 11:55 PM

alot of respect to sinonet for showing SUPER SPORTMANSHIP

the marshall can disqualify the team if they had extra help. they can also be brought upstairs or move to a few shoplots away to draft. actually, that is not really necessary as long as the 3rd party don't say a word. if u let others help u draft, why dont u just put ur friends behind the opponent's pc and shout out loud when there is someone going to kill them. isnt there not much difference at all as u already received help. why not have more help?

spectators can be warned. if they are allowed to watch, they must thus be silent the entire while. when spectators are getting some comments from the marshall, they will learn how to be quiet because when marshalls say something like " can u pls respect the contestants? ". so its obvious the spectators will learn how to shut up and just keep their comments until after the match.

Anonymous 1234 pointed out a few facts that may be what contestants have in mind all along but refused to speak up , so I will try my best to answer his ( or maybe your ) queries.

The matter about people helping in drafts. I for one truly believe that there is no other group of individuals in the world that know their team more than the team itself. Yes, people can help in their drafting but it is the team drafter's decision to make whether or not to accept it. The hero drafted will be played by that team and the team will bear full responsibility of the decision made in the draft. If the team leader is willing to risk his team's fate by taking an advice from a third party, it's his/her decision to make. In a way , I cant see any advantage in them "helping out" only disadvantages.
If passing around intel is what you are worried about, the same thing can be done before the match starts or through a simple phone call. Since we can't prevent that from happening, might as well let it be.
Of course , if participants feels that the draft is taking too long and the opponent is having an unfair advantage over them , they can always notify the marshal and the marshal will do his job accordingly.

About marshals alleged offering of opinion behind the players. I can fully assure you if there are any interactions between players and marshals , it will not be detrimental to both team's in-game interest. The marshals may not be very experienced but we sure all play the game and will try our best to protect the gamers' interest first and foremost.
We are not perfect , and if the gamers' really do think that the marshal is ruining their gaming experience , they can always pause the game and voice out their dissatisfaction of the situation and they will respond to it immediately by adjusting their behaviors there and then.

The last point you raised if applied fully will surely make another set of fans unhappy. Those are the fans that are dying to see their heroes in action live or they just want to step inside and feel the atmosphere of a tournament. From my experience, a packed CC of spectators surprisingly is quiet most of the time. The hardest thing to bear is the lack of circulation due to the crowd. In this particular tournament, the marshals do not even have the leg space to walk around the CC freely. That is when the marshals start chasing people out.
The answer is "No", I do not like it when there is like a fly buzzing at my ear when I am playing. In this case I will directly pause the game and complain to a marshal and demand for action being taken to correct the situation. So far, under my watch, NONE of the participants ever complained about noisiness being an issue, at least in front of a marshal.

About your comment that the people standing behind are the participants themselves it is of no surprise to anyone. For any gamer waiting for their game, their best way to burn time is to watch other people play while discussing strats with the teammates after each game in an Air-conditioned environment. We have gamers who start their first game at 3 pm after a wait from 10 am. If we shut them all outside, there will be a whole new set of complains in the forums. I remembered the PX tourney this year and I was there be4 any of the participants arrived. They actually make everyone who is not playing waited outside under the hot sun for their turn to play while shutting the door. When its their player turn to play , they are just plain exhausted and their gaming experience sure will drop.

We will try to find a balance in all this to try to make as many people as possible happy. But we accept criticism as part of the job and hopefully more will come in the future to make future events an even greater success.


Ok about Dop's case. The fact that the marshal told you there is a 120 min rule applied is a mistake from our part , we regret our mistake. He may have got confused with the ACG set of rules which have this applied and the set of rules posted at the first post. I am not sure what the warning has done to affect the outcome of the Dop vs Wiz game. This is a serious error that the marshal has done and we will get this sorted out internally soon. However, Dop still get the lost due to the fact that the Pugna bought a 3rd Eul/Guinsso towards the end of the game that warrants a loss given.

This post has been edited by underminer: Jul 25 2007, 01:42 AM

Ya, really thank for team sino show the sportsmanship.