nope im pretty sure. there is around 8 - 10 person standing there. maybe one or two might be their reserve but i definitely know the others are their friends, ex-teammate or something. i do not want to mention any team names or such. so im keeping this as it is. im not flaming. im just trying to voice out my opinions to those who took part in organizing and keep the competition going on.

no no. its definitely during the match, a marshall said "keep this going, your match only have around 20mins left. you will definitely win". its something like this la. i dont want to mention team names and marshall too.

most of the spectators watching are the contestant themselves. not the other customers. as i remember, the cafe sponsor the bottom floor of their cc for the competition. im just standing the contestants' shoes to say that it is unfair and the voice of others might be really annoying during the climax of the match.

as i told in my few posts before, im just a mere spectator. these are a few of my opinions. i do not want to trouble others or myself to send official letters or make complains on that day itself. ppl might just think "wtf is wrong with this guy. so ke-poh! he is not even a contestant!". im not so stupid to put myself at such position and create troubles for myself. im sure you guys can overcome these little problems urself. i do not need to write a long long post to tell you what you can do about it. its quite simple actually. you should know better. afterall, you guys are the ones making this competition happen .

am sorry if i offended anyone. really. but hey, overall, you guys did make this happen and kudos to all those who did it.

all well ends well. goodjob to marshalls and all the qualifieds!

hey Anonymous1234, grow up and stfu, u said urself u are jus a spectator, and if the teams never complain why should u? u type too much rubbish, till i cant find which page is the page to download... well, too much la u... talk so much , i think u were a losing team there who cant get over the fact tht u lost tht day.. ( sore loser wei) bye and ya, bye... =)

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Added on July 23, 2007, 3:59 amopps pugna got an euls hahah
my mistake to type he got oblivion... ( see replay and observed) tht makes it 3 hexes right?

This post has been edited by y33p1n9: Jul 23 2007, 03:59 AM

First of all the point u mention would definitely be on Sat. On that day itself there would be 28 teams participating. There would be like 168 people just for the team members only and if we add together with the spectators. There would be roughly about 200-250 people. I would like to ask, on that day if we were to draft would it be strange if some members from other team to stand near them??? You should have understand of all people if you were there. If friends were to stand nearby them what do you think we should do??? Pls do enlighten me.

marshall said "keep this going, your match only have around 20mins left. you will definitely win". its something like this la.

Are u really sure this is the exact phrase??? If I'm not mistaken this would be from the match between Wiz VS DOP. If u are not sure then u shouldn't at all say it because this is an extremely serious matter that will tarnish the name of a marshal. How can you just put a point and then say something like this la do you think it is fair if some1 accused u of doing something that u did not and just say something like this la or I think lebih kurang lo!!!
For your information the exact phrase would be " The game only left 20 min" this is because for the state qualifier we have a time limit for each game and the max time would be 2 hours, that would be 120 mins. It is the duty of the marshal in charge of that particular game to inform the players of the time issues.

I really cant recall the situation where u say the spectators where being noisy. Most of the time the noise do come from the participants themselves. We did give them warning if they are being 2 noisy. If you were to stand in the contestants shoe then you should understand that some of them cant restrain themselves when they manage to rax a barrack or run away with red life or get kill, they will tend to shout out but we will give them a friendly reminder not to and we will give them a warning if the were to speak foul language. So if you were there u should have known that the noise is actually came from the participants that were playing the game but we cant blame them lol

I'm curious u can write so long to complain about the situation and wont understand the situation of the organizer but u wont be willing to write out or give some friendly suggestion to them or be friendly enough to write to the organizer and tell them about this matter. If you really have a good way to overcome the matter why cant u share with all of the people reading this thread? Once you have post something up you should be responsible for what you have said and since we were not good enough as you have hinted we would like to hear what good suggestion from you and we are also willing to pay for you to become our marshal or adviser if you are able to handle the situation just like that day and run a perfect environment for the competitors.

If not and you would like to just flame then we cant do anything about it. If you really wanna continue and keep on saying that you were a mere spectator then there is a chinese saying for it that I really wouldn't like to say it.

Pls do not just post and then just say I'm just a mere spectator and then frame others and flame about the situation. It would really hurt the dignity of the people organizing the event and if you cont to do so might also lead to major issues that would make the organizer to stop holding this kind of event if that is ur intention then I would be speechless.
Pls takeup the offer if ur a capable person and dont be shy bout it and give Lim a call. He would always appreciate a fine helping person.

I'm sorry if I hurt any1 by posting this thread because I would hope that all competitors and spectators would understand our situation.

This post has been edited by MyGaming-Aaron: Jul 23 2007, 04:55 AM

lol, well, is not easy as u tot to run and handle the competition smoothly all day long..if u wanna say something out, please, do understand the whole situation properly lo, anonymous.

congrats overmind, anyway, k3v is in overmind's team ?

er..where is the wiz>dop replays? its in the 1st round or 2nd round replay packet?
rapidshare very sein.......hv to wait after dl some other file

yeap, should have let the titanz site host it =D, no nid wait n fast kakaka

Game Version: v6.43b

. Competition Method: 5 vs. 5
. Tournament Structure: Single Elimination
. Match Length: Until a winner is decided
. Match Winner: The player who completely destroys the opponent's Ancient or if the opponent surrenders.

u got 20mins left BRAVO

we were informed like 100mins into the game

anonymous, since that u duwan to mentioned who and which team do such thing....then dun nid post here again lo.......handle a competition not easy as u think.....if easier then every cybercafe also held a competition dy lo....how about u pm lim or aaron tell them abt the team and which marshal do such things...maybe they can explain to u....
well....just my opinion.....>.<

I guess we should have a given timeline of 2 hours if the game could not be finish and how the game would be decided if the timeline reaches. (ie: Points? Barracks? Hero Kills and so on)

From the rules given in lowyat.net, there is no such rule stating that 2 hours the game will be over. So, it's possible to let the participants know about this rule before the game starts. Some games could be draggy.

Drafting Heroes Timeline Rule. As mention from Anonymous1234, this rule should be enforced. (Ie: 30 seconds per hero)

Maybe you guys could have let 2 spectators to spectate the team they came cheering for. So its 2 spectators per team.

I guess thats about it.

yea, what actually happened to the "2spectators per team" rule? the only time i saw it was enforced was during KL's SMM. maybe it was enforced elsewhere, but from what i saw, i was shoo-ed away nicely by the marshall, and when i came back from a smoke, the place i was standing previously was crowded again with spectators keep babbling on what is happening in the contestants game. which could be distracting.

Yea it's tough for marshall to control the crowd and stuffs.... maybe a stricter policy should be implemented.

Another thing, drafting duration. -xl is new to alot of people, but it's not a valid reason for super long drafting time. maybe longer duration can be allocated for contestants to draft. say, 1minutes per pick, 30secs per ban?
if this the case, the longest time for drafting takes only about 15minutes, instead of letting it drag on the reason of new -xl mode.

And i agree that drafting should be done at a secluded area away from the crowd. as a contestant, i don't really need the opinions from random people... it's really not worth it to ruin the drafting lineup because of a mistake of listening to the crowd...

Anyway, Rome wasn't built in one day. So, take the time and improve the quality of Malaysia's gaming scene a step at a time!

Good luck!

kev is not in team cybertime.... he still is titanz lol
Anonymous1234 are u saying others people help thier team draft?
did the team force them help? did the people force them draft that?
no rite? so u better stfu
maybe u lose cause when your enemy drafting got people give some idea to them but the people is never force them to pick hero....

LOL HIPHOP HOU YEAH!! MMO MANAGER!! hhaha

During the drafting period, if the teams really need help for draft, its better if they just dont play the competition? Why don't you just draft everyone's hero including the opponents then only play? Are you in such a desperate position to need help from others?

I would like to also comment about the drafting timings. You should just form a rule to limit time during drafting period and definitely without others help(it is unfair!).

im sorry if i ever offended anyone right here. but if that is what i remembered. then it is. for what the marshall said, yes it is like this. thus, i did not mention any names. but i did remember accurately, it was like this. ok?

im not flaming or anything ya know. im just voicing out my opinions. if you think there aren't noisy. fine keep it as it is. im just merely telling you my opinions. not flaming anyone ya know. i aint a contestant of the competition, so i did not lose any matches. i really remember accurately other ppl were helping a team to draft. and they definitely took around 15 minutes to draft on their turn. random ppl might be standing around there. but hey, i heard what they said and it stays that way. if you think its all right for other ppl to help. keep it that way. okay? im just saying that its unfair for any opponents if they had extra help from ppl with more experience. isn't this a competition after all?

i do not want to keep this going because everyone is like "oh god this fella must be a sore loser. why is he so ke-poh about what the others are doing? they like-lah!"

i stand on my words. i believe what i heard and what i saw. i do not want to repeat them all over again.

if you really want to know how to overcome those just simply, i quote revivar.

also, stop saying that i did not say you guys did badly ya know. im just Saying that some things should be improved. if its so hard to improve these little things then fine. keep it the way it is aight? im sorry that i mention your LITTLE FAULTS. Am really sorry. So, i leave it as it is. after all, i did say you guys did a good job overall.

i quote myself.

So, i should say, you marshalls already know everything and do not need any others to voice out their own opinions hmm? im not trying to be sarcastic. i was saying this in a good manner until everyone started. so i apologize deeply.

PS: to those who thinks that getting others help during a competition is all right. im just saying. i respect you

This post has been edited by Anonymous1234: Jul 23 2007, 07:09 PM

I really wanna thank you guys on giving out great opinions. Thanks guys.
When the game reaches the time line, the game will be determine by the CM himself according to his experience. Points wont be taken much into consideration, it will mostly based on the barracks, hero kill, item gained by the whole team and so on.
Drafting time line is still an issue here because there are still a lot of teams are still not used to the short time line yet but we will try to enforce as much as possible but sometimes due to some unknown reason there will always be problem occur. We will do our best to improve the situation.
We do let spectators and team members to watch their team played but due to situation where there is 2 many people at that time we are forced to stop the spectators to do so >.< normally on Sunday it's much more easy for spectators to watch their team play.

We are trying our best to enforce a stricter policy but there are always people who are easily offended by it. So sometimes we are forced to do some drastic measure so we hope you guys understand >.<

Erm ur idea of drafting in a secluded area is good but sometimes there isn't any >.<
In your opinion where would be the best place for a team to be draft?? Open to all to give suggestion.

Thanks guys for your constructive ideas.

some teams might overlooked of a counter to draft because they are nervous or cant think during draft so having a 3rd party to remind them sure sucks for the opponent but this cant blame the marshal only... can only blame the 3rd party because i dont think there are enough marhals to handle crowd... they need to handle other games too i assume other games on going or drafting too furthermore some spectator very thick face .. the marshal can only tell them to go away bbut if they insist what can the marshal do...? whack them ar? lol

errr.....the best example is like last year zion net tourney.......ppl watch the match through pc....maybe this competition is more crowded,but they ady try their best...

we did something like that on Sunday but mostly for Saturday it really isn't impossible to do such a thing because of too many tournament going on. We will surely do something like that for Sun for spectators to view.

Thank you for understanding