Dear Biker Base,

I observed that bikes tend to hold their value better compared against cars.

What is the depreciation (in %) like for bikes of different categories, and which type of bikes hold their value best?

Categories being kapchai, scooters, sports, touring and superbikes, over 1-5 yr range.


Thanks!

i hv been observing certain used bike price.

looks like it is determined by dealers.
they say dealers are king, they determine the life n death of a brand /model.
n dealers all pakat together...

their reasons will be of cos.. buyers demand.. bla bla..

compare used price of z900 vs old mt09.
z650 vs old mt07...

True.. goes to all brands...

If you want to sell to dealers or trade in.. its at their mercy..

best is you sell ur self to direct buyer better...

Quickly comparing them prices

Kawasaki Z900
2019 NEW RM 47K @ https://www.zigwheels.my/new-motorcycles/ka.../z900-abs/price
2018 USED RM 39K @ https://www.mudah.my/2018+Kawasaki+Z+900-79692570.htm
2017 USED RM 39K @ https://www.mudah.my/2017+Kawasaki+Z+900+Z900-79380894.htm

3 yrs depreciation = 39K / 47K = 83% value held ... NOT BAD for the dealers.

Yamaha MT 09
2019 NEW RM 49K @ https://www.zigwheels.my/new-motorcycles/yamaha/mt-09
2017 USD RM 40K @ https://www.mudah.my/YAMAHA+MT+09+TRACER+MT...on-79822306.htm
2015 USED RM 34K @ https://www.mudah.my/2015+Yamaha+MT09+MT+09...on-79863029.htm

4 yrs depreciation = 34K / 49K = 70% value held

Feel free to correct my simple math above if I made a mistake.

Of course this is assuming cash purchases. The lost will be much much higher if purchased under shop loan installments (which can see a 25% interest on the total loan amount spread over 6 yrs).

And then there is the user trade-in values which tend to be lower than displayed by dealers in the link above.

they will c the condition of bike, milage, added part, demand, features to determine the price.

dealers favour yamaha, honda, then kawasaki.

z900 cheapest is ~35-36k
this frm welly, milage jz less than 7k.



This post has been edited by basilisk: Dec 5 2019, 03:56 PM

Is the mileage can be trusted as per advertising? We all know it can be adjusted

i heard ppl say can be adjusted, but how true is tht?

almost every one is hearing someone say tht it can be adjusted.

somebody need to show some proof, instead of listening frm salesman or pomen.

if all buyer dont trust the 'low milage' then dealer how?
adjust but dont make it too low? lol..

search on google also did not turn out any solid results apart frm stopping the meter frm running..

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ok can use tool like this ..??

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/33031137630.h...qS1575549134436

can buyer track the previous owner to ask/verify ?

This post has been edited by basilisk: Dec 5 2019, 08:55 PM

for kapchai... the price for 2nd hand is not bad. but depends also on kapchai or bikes la.

say like fz, belang if tolak got no value already. but for those quite in demand kapchai like ysuku, lc still got value. even old ex5 still got value.

ktm pulak... well 2014 mia ktm now selling rm4-5k jek. truk gila harga jatuh lol...

but sportsbike, superbike.... this one is really crazy lol... ive seen shops selling a 2005 zx6r for like almost rm30k lol

and dont make me start talking about r6, that thing never goes down lol.... takut tgk harga even thou its 2008 -2009 still fetch almost rm40k

4 cylinder bike tend to hold more value ... but that goes to jepunis brand mostly and S1000RR....

But again it depends on the model ....

2 Cylinder bike that retains good resale value.. Barley DAVIDSON...

Yes. I can confirm that mileage can be adjusted.

I previously went to view a used 2012 ER6 from a private dealer. After arrived at his place on the agreed time, the bike still haven't arrived yet.
I found out that it's a Terengganu bike, he bought it from a private seller there and tow the bike all the way to KL.

He called the towing-guy. The dude said will arrive in 10 minutes, got some delay because of the jam.

So I just waited there, and I am the first person to view the bike. Checked everything, the mileage of this bike was around 60K km.

The next day, I checked on Mudah. I saw that exact bike.
Same black color, same number plate.

The mileage on the picture was shown at 16km. Jeez.
Then I knew that the mileage is not original.

Never went back to the private dealer anymore.

thx for d info.

The bike odometer is analog or digital? Wondering if the odometer can be adjusted easily on digital

er6n is digital of cos.

So generally bikes have good resale value (save for black sheeps like KTM) provided they were originally purchased at RRP (outside of high interest loans like Aeon and Singer).

depen on wht brand.

ppl said ' jual timbang kilo' u noe?

or u trade in oso d taukey dowan...

z900

use this tered to record used bike price over the years... lol

This one is April 2017 model?
https://www.motomalaysia.com/kawasaki-z900-...specs-malaysia/

RRP OTR RM 49,000
Now RM 35,000

Depreciation = 1.0 - (RM 35,000 / RM 49,000) = 0.2857 = 28.57%

Depreciation over 2 years and 8 months from April 2017 (as at 19.12.2019).

Pretty good!

lai lai..

ducati monster 795 2012...

alek jek...

unrestore, enjin hidup, gran can change name,
mebe can sell @ price u bought 30y ago...

if restore ....

My 2015 PCX is worth rm3xxx only trade in price. Ask many shops same answer. 2 months ago still worth rm5xxx. Really shocking.

their reason is low market demand...

Dayum. How much did you initially bought it for at 2015?

10800 nett

Estimate current value RM 4000

Depreciated value
= (10800 - 4000) / 10800 * 100
= 6800 / 10800 * 100
= 63% depreciated over 5 years (2015 - 2019)

Amagad

But better than buying a PC or laptop or smartfon right ??

Shops say my PCX full of scars/scratches/cracks , they need to change new cover set that costs rm1k++ to sell again.

this akrajaya bike shop... for real? put d price like this...

z900 32k...

Bike depreciation depends on a few things.

Sometimes the new model completely obsoletes the old one. Summore got CKD. Then the old one immediately depreciate like hell.

Case in point, the Z800. The second Z900 came out in CKD, second hand z800 prices dropped like a stone. Now it's super cheap.

In the case of Ducati, just before the timing belt change... value drops like hell. LOL. So if you find a cheap-ish Ducati, this is the first thing to ask.

If depreciation bothers you, buy a 3-5 year old big bike from a weekend hero biker who racks up very little mileage. By the time you sell it on years later, you will have lost very little.

Tip: Many guys buy big bikes on impulse, then 2 years later cannot pay hutang and are forced to sell. Nice bargains to be had here. But beware... some of these idiots lari hutang and sell the bike secara haramjadah (JT), some try sell the bike secara 'sambung bayar'. Steer clear, unless you also the haramjadah type willing to gamble.

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Jan 6 2020, 08:42 PM

akarjaya batu pahat is real. price in mudah is OTR with 3rd party insurance. at lease for small bike. big one no idea never ask that.

Suzuki FX125 market price now is around RM3.5k to 5k.... the original is around RM6k iinm...not bad for a 21 years old bike.

Fuh that's not bad at all.

Any other bikes with similarly good depreciation?

This bike (and Belang) have a cult of their own, become antiquity.. since Lion Suzuki already stop selling Kapchai and its a rare breed bike... (way ahead of its time)

Similar with RX-Z.. 125Z and Honda CG, C70

yup. I think NSR (Honda) and FXR have high value too.

But too bad most that I've found, the condition are not in a good state

Why are the ER6N so cheap? I see many below 20K,even some below 15K

cos the dealers like to 'carry' y brand...
make y have good resale value...
this started frm the 80s...

Holy crap. Last week I went to see an 8-month old z900. Mileage 3400km but the tyres were knackered...

Which dealer was this?

But private also on that price range on mudah. What do you mean?

yea of cos, if you dont sell as low or lower than the shops.. how u gona make ppl buy...

I see, so it's not that the ER6N is worst than yamaha same age, just the market price is lower because dealers focus more on yamaha.

kinda liddat..

actually yamaha dont hv a bike to compete with er6n,
tht time oni hv xj6 which is 4inline.
alot ppl buy thts y u c alot used for sale now...

lowest 'advertised' so far for hd sportster 48 fuel injected..





This post has been edited by basilisk: Mar 1 2020, 06:18 PM

bolded ones... the truth....

nowdays ducati monster selling so cheap and the mileage is so low i had to wonder if they already did the desmo or not lol..... maybe because of the thailand made also i dont know.... but the price are freaking tempting....


for the sambung bayar and also those JT ones.... im in agreement that ppl should steer clear from those bikes... sure its cheap.... but i dont think its worth the money u spend.

good for those who are hunting in a used market.
Sometimes even lower than stupid y15.

2014 cb500x ABS 44k km.
less ppl buy the abs version ,
seems to be a good deal if in good condition.

list price back then is 31 988

2015 variant versys650 bugface..

price start to drop since modenas announcement.. ??

EC clearing stock leongcino... 23,288k oni
mforce nid to bring in new bike dy...

sportster 48 or 883....?? haha...



This post has been edited by basilisk: Sep 19 2020, 09:45 AM

covid year, more n more mt07 mt09 tracer up for sale.
selling price increased compared to last year...

Wow, is like depreciation don't apply past certain levels for MT07s

SOLD!

yamaha bolt 60th ann edition. reg nov2016. 4xxx milage.
probably sold round 35k.
new bike basic price in 2016 = 55k.

Owner already sent to shop for customization...





This post has been edited by basilisk: Sep 22 2020, 10:05 AM

another bolt , good price..



This post has been edited by basilisk: May 4 2021, 11:23 AM

untuk rujukan...





This post has been edited by basilisk: May 8 2021, 11:05 AM

finally less than 6 months,

rebate for 752s

Hi All,

I'm planning to get a used 600cc , saw few of these models.
found this is around rm38k with mileage less than 35k.
probably year 2012-2013 model.

any experienced rider can give suggestions on what to look for when checking out the bike.
or anyone that are well experience on bikes like these, don't mind to pm me your contact, and assist me on the examination.

What 600cc model? ZX6R?

I recently tried to buy a z250 from a private seller. The seller did inform me he got it 2nd hand. Just so happens that the bike he was selling was one i had my eye ons ( Seller bought it 2nd hand from a shop and if i bought it I would be 3rd owner). The shop selling price was RM8500 and he was trying to sell it for RM8700, when i asked him about this he said that it was because he gotten new tires, chain and other maintenance parts for the bike. But as the seller trying to sell it as 3rd hand shouldn't it go for cheaper because of how many people the bike has been through? Can anyone share their thoughts and opinions on this? Is Malaysia's private motorcycle sales market really just " harga ikut hati"?

What's the secondhand market value for this bike currently? And what's the condition? Service record?

Market value is about 10k-13k, condition was good and not sure of service records but said to be good. i understand its below market value, but I'm curious, shouldn't third hand become cheaper? OR did i miss a steal hahah

seems like ikut suka suka punya

rxz can sell rm80k wor... lol...

nowan buy they drop price lo depen on urgency...

you missed a steal bro. 2nd hand 3rd hand 4th hand doesn't bring down the price. It is all about market pricing. If 1st owner bought and didn't use (maybe put number plate), does it make the bike less valuable? In the end the bike condition is the main factor, not the number of past owners I guess.

so its actually see the condition rather than the amount of owners la? what about the fact that he selling for more than he bought? is that right actually or should he sell at same price or slightly lower only?

How about the last owner repaired and puts nice jajan already?

Up to you on what is acceptable coz it's your money.

If someone wants to sell a bike that has had 15 owners at a high price, you might hv your own reasons that justify buying it i.e. it's a rare iconic bike such as the NR750 or the FP1.

In general though, I'd apply some common sense... but that's just me.

Jajan is tricky. Only consider its worth in the price if its useful to u.

The caveat is that some jajan might actually be detrimental to you instead of adding value. For example bullshit loud exhaust - how much bribe do you need to pay when you take it to PUSPAKOM to transfer ownership? How much bribe are u prepared to pay when you get stopped by the cops?

Just share my experience

Bought a used wave 125s (2007 registered) in 2013 for RM 1.8K,

In 2021, try to sell it at RM 2K, got received call ftom potential buyer..end up i keep it

Insurance value the bike RM 1.8K..haha

its 2022 ,

leongchina 500 used price..

Friend got one 2017 registered 2019 Kawasaki Z650 green color, done only 3,800km want to let go. Super mint condition.

He got it from first owner at 1,800km, he wanted to tour in it but realized seat position is not for touring. His old bones cannot tahan

Bike shop offered 20k trade in for Modenas Versys 650.

I think it's a little low for the bike in that condition.

oh well, if anyone here think want to take a look and maybe offer him a little more than trade in price, PM me.

Bike in Subang.

This post has been edited by WH4CockcooBird: Jul 29 2023, 03:40 PM

20k frm bike shop i think is not bad lor,
this bike kinda hard to sell now.

price drop price drop....

2021 trident...




This post has been edited by basilisk: Dec 21 2023, 03:25 PM

tambah sikit can get speed triple 1050 at 28k.. not sure still available

z900se , sub rm30k soon,



tracer09 ~rm36k

minizian

still looking for sv650?
maciam harga jekpot woh.. lol

Does this version come with ABS?

I know 2017 does

should have abs, cos cbu frm japan.
tht time is still old susuki distributor in penang.

damn, I would love to but times are tough at the moment.

From the screenshot seems like it is from Imotorbike, had some bad experience on my previous viewing where everyone jump on me trying to get me to buy the bike on the spot

I think that their base selling price, not including OTR price yet as well as servicing on the bike (again i doubt that they claim they does oil change and some maintance lol)

This post has been edited by minizian: Mar 7 2024, 02:16 PM

Yep is from Imotorbike, salesman haha biasa dah since is always impulse buying.

Those shown on the post is always the body price not include roadtax + insurance, can always nego with them to include everything into the body price.

Nvr trust whenever people said they done oil change haha, do it again urself for peace of mind unless they can show picture/video of proof they did with mileage.

This post has been edited by [A]aronLJW: Mar 7 2024, 05:47 PM

bike already sold..

Yes got.. in the pic got the ABS indicator light lower left...

Soon gona be cheaper than mt07v2...

I thought Triumph Trident was the best in it's class?

Best memang best gua,
I think parts mahal n normal bike shop dowan do, refer bek to official shop, cant simply get service manual manyak secret,
Nowadays pomen can jz download frm internet n refer.
Triumph not so ez, even for owners...

i think of all china bikes as well, zontes provide the most comprehensive in parts no and also manual to service the bike, literally how to disassemble them with images. For example if one wants to remove fairing only, there is section on it. Can literally buy the part from taobao, unlike other china brands. Too bad the depreciation value is very bad for the brand. Their bike are really good quality

This post has been edited by Avex: Oct 24 2024, 10:56 AM

lowpro

Is this ur ex?
Rare stuff in msia...

nice, i aiming z800 abs in 2years, hopefully can get below 20k .

some actually selling 10k when i survey my 1st bike. almost bought it.

Nope, mine was silver and it had a barracuda bally pan.

Oh ya, i hv forgotten, i did save a pic last time but lazy cari.. lol

Sharing these 2 ads that I found in mudah.
Really cheap for how much power you can get in a bike.
I personally use a speed triple R myself.
125+ whp and 100+ Nm of torque for less than 30k and ohlins suspension for the R model.
The only cost that you need to do is rebuild the front forks and rear shock, and probably VC depending on the mileage.
Even with those costs added, it will still be less than 40k.

Main reason why I'm advocating for getting used bikes. You can find gems like these.



Dyno run that I did with my bike which had a power commander installed.

I suggest u directly visit imotorbike.com or visit their shop instead of search in mudah.
More update, more pictures, can book test drive or even book yr ride.
Easier find yr gems.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: May 14 2025, 11:22 AM

The look is divisive though.

Just barely a year after I bought my 400 and I am already thinking about changing bike

And unlike most of us I am contemplating 'downgrading' to CBR250RR, love the trico color scheme and stock exhaust sound, and it's something I can rev hard for the thrill on road without riding at illegal speed.

Using my bike purely for daily commute, where I am constantly in the range of 40~100, there is really no way to use the excess power. The dreams of doing road trips and Genting rides prior to getting my bike turn into imaginations only, turns out what you think you would do with the bike and what you would really end up doing with it is quite different.

This post has been edited by JustForFun: May 15 2025, 08:33 AM

Yeah I agree the look isnt for everyone. But it has about the same look of mt-09 and mt-10 v2.. and even 2025 bmw s1000r

Its not a first look fell in love kind of style.

Your 400 is capable enough to do genting ride, just do it

Trust me, the 400 is a lot better as a daily ride than any 250 can be. sporty 250s are tuned for higher end power, which makes it very weak in the midrange, and mid range is what you need in traffic. In terms of weight, there isn't really that much between them if the 250 and 400 are twins.

Even better in city traffic are the 400 class singles. brap brap.


No such thing as cannot use the excess power. I ride a 800 on the daily.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: May 16 2025, 10:06 AM

I don't disagree. I used to still travel to Melaka once or twice per month last year when I can still utilize the power on the highway, but since January this year 90% of the time my bike is on the federal highway motorcycle lane So yea my speed is anywhere between 40~100 these days.

I am contemplating two setups at the moment:

Option 1 (2 bikes setup):
1 scooter: will do two things that no other bikes can do :-
- Shield my legs from splashes when I ride through puddles
- No gear shifting: I am a sucker for white shoes

1 sportsbike - CBR250RR when I need to get on highway/do long distance, or I keep my Ninja 400.

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Option 2 (1 bikes setup):
1 sports tourer - maybe a used CBR650R.

I am leaning towards option 1, maybe it's a bit silly to go from a 400 to 250, but I noticed the way I like sportsbike is a lot more emotional (colors, design, cockpit view, exhaust sound) than practical. I just think the CBR250RR has everything I want.