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 Ultimate Discussions of ASNB Fixed Price UT, Magical UT only in Malaysia

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post Mar 30 2021, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Mar 30 2021, 12:43 PM)
You're still happy with 4.25% ASB2 and 4.00% ASM for your passive income? For such situation and risk I would say fair but hopefully won't go below sweat.gif
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I wouldn't say I was happy but I am hopeful that the decline in PNB interest rates is now showing some evidence of having bottomed out. In 2019/20 the difference between ASB 1 & ASB 2 dividends was significant. This year (2020/21) they are the same. I think next year (Dec 2021) ASB 1 dividend will be higher than ASB 2 (Apr 2022) again and probably between 5% & 6% so worth sticking with. July 2021 (ASB 3) Sep (ASM 2) Oct (ASM 3) dividends will help to paint a fuller picture. What I don't want to do is sell PNB and then not be able to get back in if rates bounce back.

I really need >5% to be happy but we can pay the bills with 4% (no hedge against inflation though) and we have some savings on deposit to fall back on if necessary so we will await the recovery while completing our contingency plan.

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post Apr 1 2021, 03:21 PM

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ASM 2, ASM 3 now important for me. I am hoping that as we move further away from the market crash of March 2020 that we will start to edge closer to historical norms - ie, around 6%. I am not so naive as to expect 6% this year but I do think it is reasonable to expect/hope for 4.75% to 5.25% .
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post Apr 1 2021, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 1 2021, 05:21 PM)
People already "sense", upcoming ASM 2 & 3 would be same rate as ASM 1 🎯

So escape now before too late?

Or buying new property...
(Now actually good time to hunt one if own stay)
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I think ASM 2, ASM 3 may actually do slightly better than ASM 1 this year as there will be little residual effect from the market crash of March 2020. I am no expert and only have my gut feeling to act on but I think it might be worth holding our nerve and waiting for the Sep/Oct figures before considering selling.

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post Apr 1 2021, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Apr 1 2021, 05:50 PM)
a lot of things can change in the next 1 year, new CEO coming in, economy recovery is projected, GE with very clear majority and stable government. For me there is guarded optimisim.

We may see the worse of PNB performance, it can only go up nearing 5% this year, but hitting 6% is unlikely.
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Exactly my thoughts.
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post Apr 4 2021, 06:33 PM

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Hopefully ASM 2, ASM 3 dividends later this year will be around 5% as the worst effects of Covid-19 are behind us and the recovery starts to gain traction.

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post Apr 4 2021, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 4 2021, 09:07 PM)
i maybe wrong in this thinking,...
i think the rate of dividend does not have high correlation with the market performance of the markets....
for the income distributions declared by these funds are derived from the funds’ realised gains, dividends and other income....

it is up to the boss in there with the stake holders that sit in the board to decide on how much $$ they wanted the realised gain to be to be given out as dividend....(even if the market is very good, they have the control to determine how much gains they wanted to realise....in the end those unrealised profits/gains that are still being held is not counted)

just like EPF rate too....
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I believe you are correct. However, good fund performance gives options that poor fund performance does not.

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post Apr 5 2021, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(MNF0 @ Apr 5 2021, 01:20 AM)
Don't tell me you don't already know this.
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Otherwise get ASM 1 dividend, take all funds out and put in ASM 2. Double dividend every year!
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post Apr 7 2021, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Apr 7 2021, 03:18 PM)
Must be someone selling off a big bulk to cashout for other purpose

Hope you get most of it smile.gif
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My wife and I were in Maybank just before mid day and we transferred quite a lot of ASB 2 units from my daughter's account to my wife's ASM 2 account. We wanted to transfer to my wife's ASB 3 account but the fund is full already.

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post Apr 8 2021, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Apr 8 2021, 09:47 AM)
anyreason why u move out from ASB2?

ASB2 traditionally has the 2nd best dividend return after ASB1
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The ASB 2 account was in my daughters name. My daughter is a minor. We have completed all the paperwork at ASNB offices for funds in my wife's sole name to be passed to me in the event of her death but it is a bit more complicated with a minor's account. When we looked at the typical differences in dividends (even over 18 years) the risk/reward balance started to shift in favour of moving the funds to my wife's ASB 3 account. Unfortunately, ASB 3 is fully subscribed so we went for ASM 2 and will try again at a later date for ASB 3.

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post Apr 23 2021, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Apr 22 2021, 02:48 PM)

Less than 4% then really have to tie stomach weh

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My guess is 4.25% across ASM 1, 2, 3 this year. Then in 2022, ASB will return >5% and ASM will return around 4.5% to 4.75%
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post Apr 23 2021, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Apr 23 2021, 09:47 AM)
Optimistic but I like it, then we can live a better life smile.gif

What worries me is that they used previous earning to topup to get 4.00% for ASM this year so hopefully it is sustainable

P/S: ASM this year already declared so no 4.25% for ASM biggrin.gif
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True, I was thinking of ASB 3 in July, then ASM 2, ASM 3.

The reason for my optimism is twofold. First, we are moving further and further away from the market crash of March 2020. Second, the ASB figure this year was 'only' 3.xx% before being propped up by the 30 year bonus. So, the 'performance' of the ASB fund was actually not as good as that of the ASB 2 Fund which declared 3 months later - thereby reinforcing my optimism.

The acid test will be in Jul/Sep/Oct of course.

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post Apr 30 2021, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 29 2021, 10:50 PM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/form...iz-pnb-chairman

Not long ago new CEO, now new chairman.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/form...iz-pnb-chairman

Hopefully that translates into better dividend payout.
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I think better returns were probably coming anyway. Difficult to blame the fund managers for the effects of Covid-19 which should slowly be washed out of future returns. I am hopeful of high 4.xx% for the remainder of this year and >5% thereafter.
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post May 9 2021, 05:26 PM

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As ASM gets more exposure to foreign markets, let's hope we see some recovery figures like the DOW JONES.

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post May 16 2021, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Haloperidol @ May 16 2021, 01:28 PM)
For a quarterlife-crisis bald people like me, i wish to build a solid foundation in risk-free area first.
My initial target will be a 6 digit in ASNB fund.

The recommendation of the bank for the youngster will always be : 6 months life saving (approx 12k and above)
then put it on middle-to high risk such as stockmarket or growth index fund or so on.
That is kinda logical in financial stance.

But truth is, what we can see right now, credit crunch and crisis "usually" longer than 6 month.
I'm working in healthcare setting, i know the cost of "sudden accident".
Hence, i am quite dedicated to build a really solid foundation so that i can totally lost that amount of "middle-to-high risk" money for investment prior to score big.

The 6 digit ASNB fund target is very simple.
Learn like bumi. They loan for 6 digit unit then repay off during the tenure.
I can't do that nor can't loan, hence i actively pumped in.

just my 2c in my planning ~
Hope everyone can reach their FIRE
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Very sensible.

ASM accounts may not produce fantastic returns but they are consistent and reliable. With time on your side, the benefits of compound interest should be looked at and you will find that 4-5% pa over 20 years or so, while still adding to capital from savings will set you up very nicely.
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post May 18 2021, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ May 17 2021, 10:08 PM)
ASNB does the job

Yes no HIGH return but no HIGH risk as well

I don't want to worry every night my money gone in a week because of stock market crash or having to sell crypto via whatever platform

Although the return is lower this year but it was expected

But at least it covers inflation for now and provides fair return

Come to the end, it depends on investors' risk appetite
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I agree with you entirely. High Risk Investment is just like gambling in many ways. Don't play with money you can't afford to lose. Low Risk Investment is where most of us probably need to be, especially in today's economic situation. Anything over 4% from ASM this year will be ok for me. Not brilliant, but ok.

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post Jun 8 2021, 06:56 PM

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Is it too soon to ask for estimates, guesses, opinions on the ASB3 dividend at the end of the month? This will be the first C-19 era annual dividend declared which has hopefully washed out the market crash of March 2020. It should therefore (I guess) be a reasonable indicator on which to base hopes and expectations for ASM dividends later this year.

Anyone care to guess. I am hopeful of just over 4%
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post Jun 9 2021, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Jun 8 2021, 11:01 PM)
Not sure if the current full lockdown will give an impact to ASB3 and ASM2 Wawasan and ASM3
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I think there will have to be some effect. Hopefully, vaccine rollout, now that it has actually started, will offset much of any negative effect insofar as sentiment affects the market.
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post Jun 9 2021, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jun 9 2021, 10:49 AM)
wow... its almost ASB3 dividend time already? damn.. time flies so fast

eager waiting for the news, as most people who maxed out their ASB1 & ASB2 would have a very large chunk in ASB3 as it has no limits and dividends are consistently on par with ASM1
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I agree. I think the ASB3 dividend will be a very important indicator of what lies ahead for the next year or so.
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post Jun 13 2021, 11:31 PM

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And ASB3 is due to declare its dividend at the end of this month. Any predictions? I feel it will be an important indicator of what we can expect from ASM2 ASM3 later this year.
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post Jun 14 2021, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Jun 14 2021, 01:09 AM)
My wild guess, on par with ASB1
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5%?

I would hope for 4.5% so that we can then expect something similar from ASM2 and ASM3 later this year.

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