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post Dec 20 2019, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 01:31 PM)
they have exemption from SC not to disclose their balance sheet. to cut the explanation really short, if ASNB wasn't backed by the government, extremely risky to put money in.
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That's the problem. The CEO just went on record, that the units are capital guaranteed

Who guarantees it? What are the details of the guarantee? Is there a limit on the guarantee?
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post Dec 20 2019, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(darosha @ Dec 20 2019, 02:00 PM)
that's the problem when you have too many products
kalau dulu cuma ada asb sj kan tinggi dpt. skrg ada didik la asm la wawasan la, tambah pekerja lagi, byk untung pun ini semua mau cover ini semua mcmana
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ASNB actually have very few funds compared to, say, Public Mutual. They have like what? 80+ funds last I checked.

CWA have a good number too

Problem is that the 180B NAV they have is parked mainly in Malaysia

Also the new CEO is young, is he being manipulated by the Chairman, and in turn, by Tun by proxy? I don't know, just putting it out there.
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post Dec 20 2019, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 02:04 PM)
Does the govt guarantees for KWAP & TH? When in trouble, the govt still comes in to rescue tehm. Hopefully ASx get the same treatment when the need arise.
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I know of TH, but what about KWAP? I know it's being discussed in the courts now, which is why i couldn't bother. Prefer to wait till it blows over

5B loan to 1MDB was it? Did 1MDB default? Did KWAP get paid back?
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post Dec 20 2019, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 02:08 PM)
Dulu ekoonmi pesat kembang. FD pun 7%. Sekarang dah stagnant. Tak banyak company kat new Malaysia yang dia orang boleh labur. That's why they start investing overseas.

Kat US, IPO easily x billion USD. New Malaysia mana ada lagi company camtu.
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What was the biggest IPO Malaysia had before this?
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post Dec 20 2019, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2019, 02:35 PM)
Tax payers should be angry about this, RM1.7B for something that need not happen. But most that vote for the "wrong" side unlikely pay income taxes laugh.gif

Or stamp duty on SPA and LA

Feels sad man
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post Dec 20 2019, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 03:36 PM)
you don't want god to bless you no more?

if you're worried about the country, your option is dump your 1money overseas or buy gold/bitcoin. as long as you hold new MYR, you're at risk
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But here i see all of you reporting unit purchases of multiple grands on a daily basis

Surely there are better UTs out there (there are). You guys addicted to the fixed unit price eh?
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post Dec 20 2019, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 20 2019, 03:42 PM)
ASM123 look the best after promo FD. Difficult 1 time vs transfer fund to qualify as fresh fund each year. If emergency need money, can redeem without a loss due to comission.
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Makes sense. Yet all of my brethrens that havent even filled up their quota on asb1 and 2 (with cash or financing), are complaining about PH government destroying their race's wealth, just because of the 5.5 sen dividen. laugh.gif

Empty cans are the loudest
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 20 2019, 08:12 PM)
this is the side effect of stealing money borrowed from somewhere with high interest paid. Many don't understand. Our country is a failure country because mostly waiting windfall from government. they forgotten we need to work hard to get what we wanted. Where are all these asXX monies from? Public listed company dividend and company/business growth so that stock prices moving up. From toll collection, petronas, natural resources and taxes. FDI setup international firms in malaysia so that we have some good work for locals with good pay so that they can spend and spruce the economy. Some even lamented why FD rate so low. The higher it goes, the worsened inflation it will be. Why ringgit dropped so badly? To support all these. Ringgit drop export increase (gloves, oil palm, crude oil) then company have more profit. Simple math. if the company make 1USD profit means converted to ringgit it will be more because the currency devalued. Then, the profit goes back to asxx because asxx is the shareholder. In the coming years, you will continue to see the our money continue to drop. If you ask what should we do? Diversify the portfolio to invest in foreign stock/investment. Currency goes strong with productivity. Look at Thailand, VN, TW, their manufacturing/tourism/agro spruce, so you see their economy getting better especially TW, VN, Cambodia in the area of high tech manufacturing due to china tradewar. We can benefit from China tradewar but unfortunately we don't have skill workers. Where are those skill workers? Is our children studying IT/Engineering/Finance?
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Ini fail belajar ni. Please use paragraphs after a few sentences
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post Dec 21 2019, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 20 2019, 09:46 PM)
When PNB has a bad year, does it affect its employees?

what's their bonus? Do they get a pay cut?
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PNB is doing fine, you need to understand that ASNB and PNB are two different entities laugh.gif in fact the 0.5% bonus distribution given to ASB subscribers were paid out of PNB's pocket
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post Dec 22 2019, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 22 2019, 12:14 AM)
Ahhhh I never know the bonus came from PNB. I thought retained undistributed profits from previous years.
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By definition of distribution, thy are not holding or giving away any "profits". Any funds can give away distribution even when the fund is not profitable.

This is why it is important to use the term distribution and not dividend. A company cannot (I am not sure if legally) give away dividend when they are making a loss. SO when you refer the distributions given by ASB/other-UT as dividends, you are implying that the fund size grew over they year. No such thing.



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post Dec 22 2019, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 22 2019, 08:17 AM)
what's the bonus 0.5% dividend calculation again?

will they increase the limit to 300k instead of the 200k limit now?
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For ASB 0.5% bonus?

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post Dec 22 2019, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 22 2019, 10:49 AM)
eh, so no difference? just times 5.5% only??

I thought last time they said, it includes past years' balances? Have they changed the calculation?
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That was for 2017 and before. Due to a lot of people squabbling about bonus calculations, they changed it to make it just like normal ASB distribution.

5.5% is not bad at all, I don't know why some people complaining about it. Sigh.
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post Dec 22 2019, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 22 2019, 12:43 PM)
huh?? why they changed in 2017!!!!!!!  cry.gif

I did my calculation in an excel.... now need to change again.
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but the calculation is simpler right now, so why does it matter?

plus if you had used the wrong calculation, you would know that it is "off" based on your real-returns now

btw, you got ASB units? I am still not clear about the eligibility of non-bumiputeras in getting ASB1 units. In general, I believe the answer is no.
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post Dec 23 2019, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Haloperidol @ Dec 23 2019, 03:06 PM)
Sitting in PNB there.
A chinese lady walk past and decided wanna sell rm 2800 something.

I asked the officer can they directly sell to me , they replied with no.

Ended up i need to snatched the unit via online. Managed to get 2k ASM.

Why the SOP so difficult zzz...

And i wonder now, can they directly transfer to me then i pay them in cash (of course i pay the rm 15 transaction fee)
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I thought a lot of people do private deals? Transfer then pay in cash?
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 26 2019, 10:49 AM)
should state how many units available lah. if few thousand, can hunt sdn bhd. if few hundred thousand, worth considering
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Plus that is a new user, under probation some more. Not afraid kena scam?
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post Dec 26 2019, 12:53 PM

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banks and other financial institution would be doing their own reporting if the transacted amount goes above the reporting threshold. You do not need to do any reporting to them


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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 26 2019, 09:42 PM)
actually, i don't know how the transaction is done remotely, and curious to know. For me, prefer to meet at the bank. But I'm not paying 2% since I will cash out in case of unforeseen expenses. I never bought unit trusts due to the advanced commission + variable price.

yours is small amount, but the raptor eric was big. Does buyer ask for your name/IC/phone? how does the buyer protect him/herself ?
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I think it is no different than buying things online where you need to have the buyer ship the merchandise, only that in this case the shipping should be instantaneous - although manual.

RM500 I wouldn't mind, but RM25,000 though? That's some big sum regardless of the merchandise.
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 26 2019, 09:59 PM)
Buy online has a storefront or intermediary like shoppee and lazada. They also involve payment gateways, so it's easier to dispute.

ASN direct deal is direct bank in money to seller, as though buyer is giving money to seller.

yeah. for 25 grands, i'll probably buy offline. i remember someone in the credit card section reported some problem. Initially, smaller deals were smooth. When the deal became bigger, seller say didn't receive money or something like that.
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No what I meant was that you buy from sales in garage sales, not like on Lazada
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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 26 2019, 11:25 PM)
Because it involved money mule. Victim doesn't transfer money to scammer directly.

Edit: And for ASNB units case, things get complicated if buyer is using huge amount of illegal money to buy seller's units (for whatever reason, procedure of money laundering etc). Authority got the absolute power to do whatever thing to one's bank account, including freeze or even confiscated.
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Yeah, I have to go for AMLA refresher every year, and ML is nothing to laugh about. In a way, using dirty money to buy ASNB units from a seller can be considered as a "Layering", where the source of the dirty money is concealed through a series of transactions and/or other accounting tricks

For example, dirty money that was deposited into their account through cash deposit was used to buy RM5,000 worth of ASNB units over time, some money is sold back into the market and withdrawn at ASNB branch. All involving different amounts so it would be difficult for the computer or AMLA agents to detect any pattern. The launderers can be in any form, from buyers to sellers of the units. Pick the wrong person and you may be implicated.

Not scaring you guys, just saying.
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QUOTE(kanz1986 @ Dec 27 2019, 11:06 AM)
Hi sifus. Apologize if this question has been asked before.

Assuming an ASB account has been maxed out @ 200k with 20k dividend (Total 220k in account), if I withdraw 20k, am I able to top-up back 20k in the future?
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Yes you can. The RM20k distribution paid out to you would increase your capping. Your total capping would then be RM220k. If you withdraw the 20k, your baki boleh beli would be RM20k, which means you can top it back in the future.

This is why some people have more than RM200,000 baki boleh beli in their accounts, like this example below

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 27 2019, 11:14 AM)
no you can't. your best bet is other ASB, followed by ASM2 (and maybe ASM3).
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This is completely wrong. Unless there are other rules that I do not know of that apply to those who are not normally eligible for ASB (non-Bumi, non-Muslim, non-Thai-descent, non-Portugese-descent)

But for my clients who have had ASB financing and have received distributions paid into their accounts in the past, all of them have had their capping increased over the years

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