I was told by 3 Tyre shops that the V12 Evo2 is not in production anymore, new one replacing is the K125 Ventus Prime 3.

Is this true?

Anyone used this Tyre before? Any feedback?

Not true, VP3 is midrange category below V12E2 in UHP.

Double posted

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Nov 8 2019, 02:45 PM

I just called Hankook Malaysia and they confirmed that the new model coming out is infact the K125 Prime 3.

I actually managed to locate one shop that has the Tyre in stock, may get it done tmrw.

Just saw the tread pattern for prime 3.
Doesn't look like it's a uhp tyre. The pattern kinda similar to ventus concept.

It is still mid range comfort tire category.

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V12e2 really no more.. already asked a few shops in Pg

Try Akina Tyre Butterworth = https://goo.gl/maps/4aTNgaC1DUDemCjE9

how much tis tyre?

let say for 195/55/r15

My friend just installed this.very quiet and and it absorbs the bumps.215/55/17 rm330 permas jaya

I tot it mentioned is also UhP

Theeban,

Which shop in permas?

Where are these made from? Korea?

I am not sure

Indon...

TCS Automotive Service Sdn Bhd
1, Jalan Permas 10/7, Bandar Baru Permas Jaya, 81750 Masai, Johor
016-754 3988
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wN1TCWJp5N44YXUu8

Thanks, before he used which tyres?ive always like v12 n used so many rounds after changing so many brands

He used mismatch tyres dayton at the back causing to oversteer,

Just changed to this VP3 this morning. Size is 205/55R16. Really irresistible good price of rm220/pc. Since changed all 4, shop threw in wheels alignment as well but politely declined as I have my own place for wheel alignment.

Got 3pcs of 3419 manufacturing date and another at 2519. Con't find UTQG on the outside face of the tyre after mounted on rim.

Initial feel of the tyres was it has stiffer sidewall for a comfort biased model. Markedly stiffer than outgoing Ventus 2 Concept2 and S1 Noble2, both touring tyres from Hankook.

However, it still have a very "premium" feel to it, soaking up road imperfections better than V2C2. It is something like reliving S1N2 again, but with a stiffer sidewall. Steering feels more direct.

Can't say much as only covered around 100km after install. But initial impression on dry grip is at least at par with S1N2 or better. Like K435 (Kinergy Eco 2) I have on another car, noise signature is moved to lower frequency and it appears to be as silent as S1N2.

Not much else to talk about since tyres are still very new. Will update on this tyre when thread is bumped.

Anyone from k120 switch this? I saw 17 inch rim the price also 220.. Damn tempting to resize rim and get this tyre.. Last time 17 inch tyres for neuton nt 8000 ady cost me 250 ea.. I think this should perform better than nt8000

Cant wait to change to this Ventus Prime 3 as i like my current Ventus Prime 2 that is factory fitted...good NVH...this Prime 3 should be better than Prime 2....

Hankook Ventus Prime 3, certainly recommend this tyre to you guys,
yang mencari tayar dengan grip yg sangat2 baik masa dry dan senyap serta selesa.

first impression grip mmg sedap, comfort ada dan tak bouncy, sidewall a bit stiff for tyre yg focus antara comfort dan performance, pesaing terdekat Michelin Primacy 4/3.

previous tyre was rovelo a1, re003, and almost all uhp tyre available in market i have try, this one memang bang for buck, its like hankook v12e2 but with quiter and comfier ride hahaha apart from a bit numb steering feedback laa 😂

priced only rm220-200 per pieces for 205 55 16 size.

but there's a catch
-no tw, temp, and traction indicator.

my personal verdict if i were to rate this tyre would be

-300tw
-traction A due to biasa2 wet grip
-temp A





This post has been edited by THE CLASS OF 13: Jan 22 2020, 11:41 AM

I think this is upgrade for S1noble 2 is assymetrical rather than v12, since v12 is directional tyres

I was using two tyre at front, already clock 2500km. I have no complain and feel not bad at city driving. But once I travel from KL to Taiping, I feel my car not stable when high speed ( 140km/h ) below that speed just ok, over 140km/h I feel something wrong with my car. My rear tyre is 6000km old v12 evo 2. Ventus prime 3 is rating at H tyre , while evo 2 is V rating. Maybe this rating, that why my car unstable.

1 is assymetrical n the other is directional, tht could be the prob

Hmm, really ? So which 1 should I give up ? Btw, mine size is 195/55R15, H rating.

By right shouldn't be big issue but Advisable to use all same type.
Unless alignment didn't do properly

My car alignment no issue. Only when speed above 140km/h, feel not stable.

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This post has been edited by chaiyya345: Feb 18 2020, 06:33 AM

Besides tht u going to have hard time rotating the tyres

Not an issue if it is a symmetric tyre. Just take off the tyre from wheel for cross rotation.

how to leh,? directional only frm front to back viceversa on paralel /cant cross with assym for his case

You can cross rotate symmetric directional tyre by cabut tayar from left rim and pasang balik on right rim and vice versa for the other side. Only work for symmetric directional tyre.

Any feedback on wet surface grip for this tyre?
Think of getting a set of 4 for my car as well
225/45 18
Any recommendation in kl area for good price tyre for prime 3?

Tested wet grip during journey back after CNY along Karak h/w. Nice wet traction.

But aquaplaning resistance is just average or slightly above average. Driving through slightly deeper cross-streams or puddles can be quite draggy or unsettling at legal speed.

anyone with experience for both Prime 3 and Michelin PS3 can comment whether this tyre is quieter than PS3?

Planning to get this, anyone have shops to recommend?

any further review bro?

Can't say much as only covered around 100km after install. But initial impression on dry grip is at least at par with S1N2 or better. Like K435 (Kinergy Eco 2) I have on another car, noise signature is moved to lower frequency and it appears to be as silent as S1N2.

As per my ori review above, nothing to add or change as of now after 20+k km of driving. I think it is a S1N2 with different thread pattern. Better aquaplaning resistance than S1N2 and V2C2. Threadwear also is same as S1N2, I think this VP3 can last at least 70-80k km on moderate driving style. Can't and not fair to compare with UHP as price difference is too big.

s1n2 utqg... 500 AA A, vp3 utqg... 300 A A

quite big difference bro

This is indon tyre right? the thread pattern looks ok ler.

Yeah I know bro. But hv to keep in mind utgq is not constant as the reference tyre rubber grade may hv changed since. S1N2 and VP3 are quite different in terms of age. for reference, my S1N2 was dated 2012 and VP3 is 2019.

What size and where did you get them and for how much?

vp3 launched around 2016...my s1n2 dated 2017...

i hear what you're saying...i just don't think the reference tyre/track changed so much that invalidates comparison, i also check the eu labeling for reference last time

anyways this vp3 my last option if can't decide on something else to replace s1n2 that's done 70k, see maybe can get another 10k more out...close to reaching twi...

No stock for big size in KL and JB. hiaz!have to look for another brand liao.

how big?

245/40/18.

I also 18... if I come across I ping you

Wow how u can use until 70k?i use up to 45k already very worn for all my tyres.
Btw ive used k125 for almost 10k,nothing special,not so good in wet,dry ok

Thanks bro!

maybe your alignment more aggressive? I rotate/align yearly...my worst tyre still got 3+mm threads...

imho prime3 is just an upgraded eco2...the patterns quite similar so will share some characteristics...

s1n2 is actually all season tyre, same max performance class as s1e2...I went to 4 shops now looking for my size, too bad no more...

Envy you guys can rotate tyres! Mine is staggered!

Yes i do every 10kkm,its imy bad habit,burn rubber each drive,, been chang8ng tyres every 1 to 1.5yrs,so all those hankooknoerformqnce type tried,v12 so far the best,n next S1e2, s1n2 etc so so,also used ps3,nexen,toyo,

S1N2 is just entry level UHP or actually still like borderline touring tire, not real UHP. S1E2 is their top UHP though, much better.

My Mark X also uses staggered rims now but the wear fortunately is quite even, just slightly faster at the front. Yours wears out faster front or rear? If still quite even then no need rotation.

yeah...I consider it as touring tire only...

I think classification is based on size/profile/speed/load rating...so it can still be uhp but dead last in competitiveness

no more s1e2 18"

my p7 also around 1.5yrs...alignment quite aggressive then...

I like fast corners, also hate braking...my style quite smooth, and now more neutral setup...so it helps

This post has been edited by dwRK: Oct 23 2020, 04:33 PM

The front Two always give way first!

last time I once managed 100k km without rotation and alignment...99% highway with very neutral setup, and metal valves that hardly needs pumping... haha

inner or outer

S1E3 already out a few years ago, just not yet available here yet.

What I could suggest is that use higher treadwear tires at the front. For example like front uses PS4 at 320 TW and rear uses CSC5 at 280 TW.

outer gua.

hahah..bro....u always got expensive taste! I had CSC 5 before on my older W204 before. mid range tyre can liao la....my ride also not beri powderful.

maybe too much toe in...maybe not enough -ve camber...maybe absorber problem also...

wear can be even out a bit with proper alignment to suit your car/style

Those are just examples I can quickly think of la.
Your outer wear out faster but you don't drive hard in the corners, then maybe your alignment is a bit too much toe-in.

The C klass is famed for having camber issue! U ask the SC and they told u the engineer designed the car in such a way. Lol.

Toe adjustment is different than camber and always need to be adjusted if not aligned properly or when need to replace the rods. Camber issue normally also just a bit too negative which will eat the inner treads faster, not outer treads. Outer treads might be worn faster if positive camber which I think highly unlikely in a modern Mercs.

nice stunt i do that often too

Good info! learnt something New!

Ya most setups are toe out

wah...didn't know merc & SC so bad... lol

outer wear can happen if camber not -ve enough and sapu corner a lot... anyways no idea what's the real problem can only speculate

toe out normal for fwd... toe in for rwd and awd

Yes but he said he doesn't drive fast so by right should not eat up the outer. All my cars all outer treads also worn out fast but inner also same coz I got like -1.5 or more camber and I like corners bit fast so the inner worn out by the camber and the outer worn out by cornering, ends up looking like I under inflate my tires even though already quite high pressure. 😅

yeah...I wonder if the merc has too neutral caster...

same...my alignment guy say I under inflate initially... then he say I pump too hard... hahaha

Yup,but some how my past cars n current the standard seems more thts why always innerside wears out too fast with my harcore pedal to metal n whack corners hard

could be incompetent alignment guy?...

this my ex-front tire...inner wear from -ve camber, outer wear from toe-in/balas corner... my worst tire after 70k


my ex-rear...will gets some outer wear in before replacement...


warning for noobs... bad tire to the rear is DANGEROUS... prone to oversteer and fishtail... don't follow my example

This post has been edited by dwRK: Oct 24 2020, 09:47 AM

Wah thts worn out bad, no bro if u see i drive, any long lasting tyres also wont past 2 yrs, frk pics is s1n2?

you know yourself best...

yeah both pic s1n2... not that bad ah... got 3-4 mm threads left...

my setup now more neutral to wear the middle patch more... hehe

This post has been edited by dwRK: Oct 24 2020, 11:26 AM

Ya safety 1st also,time to change ,before changed to k125 in june
2020 ,used s1n2 had it for 1.5 yrs around 37k km only, thread like urs 2mm inner

sure thing. been searching for new s1n2 past few months but no more in market

now waiting to see if efficientgrip performance 2 gets launched before I gatal beh tahan try others...

Similar wear patterns to mine but my rear got more outer tread wear especially on my RWD Mark X.

I was planning to grab this Hankook k125, one shop in Batu Caves quoted me rm235/pcs for 17"215/45. I think can get cheaper.

Coming from Hankook Ventus12evo2, im a bit skeptical. Cant move on by the performance v12e2 gives during my driving hours with it.

Anybody can recommend any tyre shop with tempting price for k125 around KL? might go this coming monday

VP3 is different from S1N2 as VP3 has increase the level of grip and also stiffer sidewall compare to S1N2. The S1N2 is truly comfort tyre where the noise level is very minimal and the tyre provide good riding due to soft tyre giving more buffer. However S1N2 is not good in attacking corner due to softer sidewall and in fact it is not suit for heavy car like older BMW, Merc or Audi.

The VP3 is designed as touring sport tyre where it has stiffer sidewall where car can push further in corner and better grip in dry and wet (but not extreme grip). VP3 is absolutely suit for "turbocharged" vehicle as the predecessor VP2 is OE fitted to VW Golf 1.4, Beetle 2.0 (GTI engine) and Hyundai Santa Fe (400nm torque diesel engine). The VP3 is slightly noisier than and less comfort ride than S1N2 but it certainly perform better.

S1 evo3 will be launched in 2021 if not mistaken. This tyre is premium UHP and it should perform better than VP3 but of course the price gonna be higher too. I am awaiting this coming since my tyre going to due this year too as already used for 50k km for the VP3.

Just rotated 10k km , before tht mileage already wheel spinning when wet especially on slight slopes ;P
Hankook really susah to replace legendary V12

wrong info bro...

s1n2 has better wet traction (AA) than vp3 (A)... i don't remember the EU label rating but it is also better...

i'm using s1n2 on my 1.7 tonne bmw... sometimes i attack corner until screeching... no problem at all

s1n2 is under the "s1 uhp family"... evo2 is summer tire, noble2 is all season... obviously for all season got some compromises... steering feel and handling vp3 should be better than s1n2

imho... vp3 is just an upgraded kinergy eco2 touring tire...the pattern is almost similar with minor changes only...

yeah v12 very good hard to find replacement

I am in automotive industry and tyre is my company main product. We basically tested out many tyre brands and pattern.

UHP is mean the tyre is 17inch and above and usually 55 or below aspect ratio, it is regardless touring (comfort) or sport pattern. S1N2 is not design for continental car as the tyre sidewall is softer. This tyre can still use for conti car but it is easily bulge if hit the road pole or curb. VP3 is upgrade of S1N2 where the tyre sidewall is harder and it is OE tyre for turbocharged vehicle.

V12 Evo2 is pure summer tyres where it has greater grip in dry and wet surface, drawback is it has tendancy to pull one side and noisier. VP3 look similar to Eco2 but the material used in both tyres are different. And Eco2 is without rim guard which cannot hold corner like VP3 which comes with rim guard.

VP3 has no UTQG indicator (treadwear, traction and temparature) because this is US standard, it is not a must to put. It doesn't mean VP3 lousier than S1N2. I have tested V2 concept 2, S1N2, VP3 and V12 evo2. Not only that I also have tested Michelin XM2, XM2+, Primacy 4, PS3 and PS4. Continental CC6, MC5, MC6, UC6 and CSC5. There are many more other brands and patterns but some were tested by other colleagues.

Yes, V12 is great sport tyre. But the global trend is moving to asymmetric (in outside) and as news received there is no replacement of V12 as it gonna ended production soon for all range.

thanks for the disclosure...best stick with technical data/discussions then, else there is potential bias

its only your opinion soft sidewalls not suitable for heavy vehicle, correct?...otherwise it will imply the standard load and speed index is wrong and cannot be used

all tyres if hit jackpot hole hard enough will damage tyre, my friend had a blowout and cracked his rims too just driving proton normal tyre, i was passenger... i agree in general soft sidewall is potentially more prone to this kind of damage, but not knowing how the carcass is designed this is more human feeling than facts...anyways designers need to make sure tyre survives "normal" potholes, we users just need to be lucky

vp3 have utqg, wet traction A, vs s1n2 AA... no need to dispute which one lousier, as you are in the industry you should be able to find the utqg easily too. vp3 harder sidewall will give better steering feel/response/cornering which I have said...

if you go by price, s1n2 commands a premium over vp3... which typically imply it as a better tyre. however beauty in eye of beholder lah... so what is a good tyre for me...not necessarily good for you...

This post has been edited by dwRK: Jan 11 2021, 04:31 PM

General speaking softer sidewall less suit for heavy car, if choosing it then driver should pump higher air pressure to make the tyre harder like 3-5psi. Do not afraid the tyre will explode since the tyre can hold up to 50psi maximum. Usually the optimum pressure is around 35psi or below depends on sizes and softer tyre for heavy car use is recommend to pump at least 38psi in cold air (before 8am if possible). It is completely safe even though driving in hot sun for several hours and maximum the tyre pressure may go up to 43-45psi.

The tyre load index is mean of the maximum weight the tyre withstand. I mentioned the word of not suit for "old BMW, Mer or Audi", I never mention "cannot" if you were picky. Nowadays Continental cars are lighter but body rigidity is higher due to using ultra high strength steel which is lighter but stronger. And if one is using F30 or W205 the stock tyre is runflat which is very stiff sidewall tyres. If these vehicle change the tyres to non-runflat S1N2 the handling of the car will seriously being affected despite increase of air pressure. It is because the car designed to use runflat tyre, if using non-runflat it is highly recommend to use sport tyre with stiffer sidewall with increase of air pressure needed.

If budget is not an issue I will recommend Michelin PS4 as it has fantastic performance in all aspects. Otherwise we can stay tune for the arrival of S1 evo3 or someone who using BMW 320i G20 can give their comment about the tyre since it is stock tyre.

This post has been edited by autodriver: Jan 12 2021, 12:16 PM

Slight correction, UHP is not necessarily size 17 above. Got many UHP models in smaller sizes than 17 like V12E2, PS3/4, RE003/4, F1S, etc.

i think you're mistaken in a few areas...

the tyre doesn't care about conti or jap, new steel or old... it just care about the weight sitting on it, let say 400kg per wheel, and for this a load/speed index of 95w and 35 psi inflation for normal driving... this will be the manufacturer's specification plastered on the car

hard or soft sidewall doesn't matter, because technically a 95w tyre will be able to support the 1600kg weight of the car...the index also specify different tyre inflation if you have extra weight, say 500kg per tyre, this changes the contact patch's geometry and pressure point to sub-optimal with the extra weight, and in order to compensate this you need to inflate a few psi more... the specification also says if you drive very very fast, you need to inflate more, this is also to compensate for the dynamic forces, because when you corner hard, the 400kg static load is now more like 500kg dynamic load... these are the engineering, to keep you safe on the road

hard or soft sidewall determines ride comfort and handling (steering feel/cornering roll)... so, a heavy bmw even with very soft sidewall is very well suited to uncle style of driving... that is why manufactures have uhp/high performance 95w and touring/comfort 95w to help people select... these are the characteristics, to match personal preferences, performance expectations and driving styles

obviously, if you put soft sidewall tyre and drive like a mad hatter around corners, you gonna have more body roll and feeling of unsafe handling... this is where all the generalization of soft sidewall unsuitability, and higher inflation without understanding the dynamics comes from

i had ne03 on my small and light suzuki swift and driven it mad around corners and boy does it roll but i like the fun... whereas s1n2 doesn't roll much at all on my heavy conti because there's only about 3.5" height of rubber... with a little bit more knowledge and experience, someone can mix and match without problems...

This post has been edited by dwRK: Jan 13 2021, 05:48 PM

No, UHP is mean of 17inch and above in tyre industry. The term of UHP is mean of tyre 17inch and above and profile is 55 or lower. It is not about pattern, it is about size. So even comfort tyre but the series is 215/45R17 it is also called as UHP. For example the junk tyre Silverstxne M5 215/45R17 is called UHP but the tyre is super lousy.

Manufacturer specification is based on optimum weight but it does not mention that we cannot put higher or lower PSI depend on situation. And for soft and hard sidewall technically suit for different type of users. But in Malaysia there are many people only afford to buy comfort tyre but they are driving in "sport", or they use sport car but only afford to buy budget comfort tyre. That is reason why it is recommended to put higher PSI if they want to drive aggressive in corner.

And you mention soft sidewall driving hard in corner will have more body roll and feel unsafe, that might not be correct. Some comfort tyres come with rim guard which can help to hold corner better. For example if a comfort tyre comes with rim guard and profile is 55 series, with higher PSI it can help to provide better handling and less body roll. What I mean of higher inflation is never mean for the tyre profile higher than 55, such as 60 or above because the higher PSI won't help much and these kind of tyres usually without rim guard.

" that is why manufactures have uhp/high performance 95w and touring/comfort 95w". You made a mistake assumption where UHP never mean of specific pattern or product, it is a term of tyre sizes. Which mean touring/comfort tyre can also be UHP like 215/45R17 is called UHP regardless it is sport or comfort tyre. In tyre industry people classify touring, sport and premium sport etc. They never said which pattern or product is UHP.

Btw I don't think I should continue to argue if you think yourself is expert who work in tyre or automotive industry.

Are you saying 16' PS4 is not UHP but 17' PS4 is UHP??? 😅 From where do you get this or can share the source to back up your statements?? Or this is just your own opinion?

lol... what is your qualification and role anyway? I do happened to have a diploma in auto engineering, a degree in mechanical engineering, and donkey years as chartered engineer now retired... so I do know a bit more to be dangerous... while I'm no tyre expert but from our discussions I know you are far from one...

tbh your arguments are really incoherent, jumping everywhere...I'm just trying to point out that your assertion that soft sidewall tyres are not suitable for heavy cars is wrong... btw ps4 has a moderately soft sidewall as uhp tyre goes... and rim guards or rim protectors is just that, to protect the rims...low profile tyres have it because easy to hit the curb whilst high profile don't because it's high enough to not need it...they don't help at all in handling or body roll...

anyways my initial thinking was maybe I can help correct your misunderstandings but obviously you are very smart and don't need any help... cheers

This post has been edited by dwRK: Jan 15 2021, 06:16 PM

Changed from V12 to VP3. 16 inch

So far so good. Gonna change another car with this too, 17 inch