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post Jan 27 2020, 12:00 PM

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Finally deployed the UHF antenna, signal is definitely better,

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Need to pole mount it outside to do so

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post Jan 27 2020, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Jan 27 2020, 03:55 PM)
Woah.... 👍👍👍👍
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yup, just that I wasn't able to get BER reading to 0 but was able to get a better signal reading and it seems more stable too

Quite hot weather here in Ipoh, no idea when it rains, if it manages to survive through rain then I guess it would be fine
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post Jan 29 2020, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Jan 27 2020, 10:43 PM)
Hmm.. But as long you get a pretty high Strength and Quality readings, then it should be okay.  biggrin.gif
Rain shouldn't affect the reception until it get pixelated or no signal at all...
Unless it's too low.. But based on your photos attached previously, it's unlikely to me la..

Just enjoy watching digital TV then...  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Just rained in Ipoh this morning, so far no issue with signal loss
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post Feb 7 2020, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(razuryza @ Feb 7 2020, 06:34 PM)
Who got problem when raining no signal? Especially channel 45 666mhz
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Might be an antenna/ wiring issue, had this issue before at my aunt's house, replaced wiring+ antenna, the problem appears to be resolved

Maybe sharing us a picture of your antenna + what wire are you using(it should be written on the wire itself), any " hobby grade splicing" between the antenna and the TV/decoder?

Also what decoder are you using, and what's your signal strength for Mux 1 and mux 2?

joshHD, am I missing out on any other factors here?

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post Feb 8 2020, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 8 2020, 01:18 AM)
yongtjunkitAnd, this photo of one of your TV, the LCD panel rosak and reached its end-of-life already, that's why it shows the permanently "cloudy stains".
It's commonly happen if flat screen TV is used for many many years (e.g. near 10 yrs or more).
If I would guess, this must be your "spare TV" or old TV set that was replaced when you bought new TV some time ago.
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Yup, no one is using that TV at the moment, used to be a small CRT TV there, so I replaced it with this TV and got a newer one for the living room(still doesn't support digital TV)

btw, a clearer picture
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post Feb 8 2020, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(razuryza @ Feb 8 2020, 02:34 AM)
Why only when raining? If no rain no problem...
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There are many factors that can affect it, from not optimal positioning( which leads to poor signal), potentially broken/ antenna too old, wiring not is good/ optimal condition..... similar to what joshHD said

If possible do share us the necessary details such as a picture of the antenna, what cable type, decoder model, signal strength and quality
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post Feb 9 2020, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Feb 9 2020, 09:31 PM)
Have been a while did not on MYTV
just open non stop pop up

E024 - Short circuit

And video quality very bad, try unplug and plug in still same

What that error mean
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What happens when you unplug the antenna? Does the error disappear and say no signal?

Also please do share with us a picture of your antenna, antenna type(indoor/outdoor), cable type( should be written on the cable itself- referring to the aerial cable), is there any " hobby grade splicing" between the antenna and the decoder?
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Also, plug in the antenna back again and try to get to the following diagnostic page and share a screenshot of it as well
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post Feb 9 2020, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Feb 9 2020, 10:13 PM)
Using indoor atenna, unplug it show no signal, plug back E024 again
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Sounds like an antenna problem to me, maybe joshHD can give a better insight on this
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post Feb 10 2020, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(asrin @ Feb 10 2020, 09:19 AM)
Does this splitting the cable works?..and the quality of those two tv is same?..
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For this case, nope.... both TV gets different signal strength, most likely due to "hobby grade splicing": https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=findpost&pid=94974330

There's a proper splitter for splitting to 2 TV : https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=findpost&pid=94982628

For my case, I've decided to start fresh for the TV that's encountering the problem where it would say "no signal" randomly

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post Feb 13 2020, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(razuryza @ Feb 13 2020, 06:54 AM)
Retune for channel 43. Channel 49 is not avaialbe anymore in klang valley i assumed
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Well the frequency retuning was announced quite some while ago
QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 8 2020, 01:47 AM)
MYFREEVIEW DIGITAL TV BROADCAST TO UNDERGO FREQUENCY RESTACKING

Take note Klang Valley viewers...
You might experience sudden loss of signal from Mux 2 channels, which almost all are RTM channels like TV1, TV2, RTM Sports, etc.
Frequency restacking exercise shall commence on 11 Feb 2020 and 13 Feb 2020.

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https://www.mytvbroadcasting.my/images/mytv...ualaLumpur).pdf

If you're using MYTV box, or IDTV (TV with built in DVB-T2 digital TV tuner) that supports auto channel update, it shouldn't be a thing to worry about, since it will auto update the frequency changes by itself, so u don't need to do anything.
Otherwise, just perform auto scan/search and you shall be able to retrieve the channels again, or manual search, enter the Channel 43 (650MHz).

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post Feb 13 2020, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 13 2020, 04:10 PM)
As expected, the video bitrate still remain unchanged even after today's frequency restacking exercise.
Well, for a company like MYTV Broadcasting, I don't expect them to increase the video bitrate soon anyway.

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I hope RTM would negotiate with MYTV to increase the video bitrate, cuz 2.5Mbps for a Full HD channel is seriously too low, and the compression artifacts will become obvious especially when there's a fast moving scenes. I guess because if see it from far, picture quality looks "sharp", but when there's a fast moving scenes, pixelation (lots of small boxes) appear on image due to compression artifacts of the use of video bitrate that is too low.

And if you think this is signal issue, that means you are not a technical person.  dry.gif
Yes, I'm referring to those MYTV customer service agents.  dry.gif  dry.gif  dry.gif
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Does this mean it's not as good as the Rtm channels on astro and also how does this compare to astro SD/HD?
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post Feb 19 2020, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Feb 19 2020, 05:55 AM)
I already know EPG doesn't provide enough information guide but here I am asking whether I can get extra information guide beside relying on EPG.
Newspaper , website and etc.
Mostly wanted to know the episode listed.
Well aware of CJ programs which really too much allowing it to enter the slot.Why not just give 2-3 extra channe[U]l for them rather having it to slot into the main channel.I wonder how much CJ invest into mediaprime.Now even GO shop invade in. sweat.gif
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There's already 2 CJ wow shop channel already, if not mistaken its ch 104 and ch 106
QUOTE(Maxieos @ Feb 19 2020, 05:55 AM)
I don't think build in lcd TV have HbbTV support.Maybe MYTV box may have this support. Right now , I am just looking for a episode tvguide on google search.
Until now , I don't see anyone know how to access those tvguide information.
Did you have support on HbbTV ? any extra information on certain series episodes number shows up ? rtm or mediaprime ?
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Not all TV has support for HBB TV but there's some out there, I do know that LG smart TV has support for it (at least for this model ), MYTV advance decoder has support for HBB TV
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post Feb 19 2020, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Feb 19 2020, 02:12 PM)
I might try that tonight. Thought previously someone said need to use certain app to key in your house address and then find the pointer to gunung serapi.
How to differentiate between the advance decoder and the normal one? Mine have WiFi in settings, but never connect it to my home WiFi. Is that consider MYTV advance?
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MYTV basic box
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If both of these isn't your box then you are using a 3rd party box, not MYTV box

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post Feb 24 2020, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 24 2020, 05:36 PM)
Btw just to give you a picture on what kind of works that needs to be done by the contractor.
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See the "C49" sticker on that equipment? That is to indicate to the technician/contractor where that equipment is for Channel 49 - 698MHz; so that viewers can receive DTT signals for 698MHz CH49 which is Mux 2 channels that consists of RTM channels.
Because 698MHz no longer in use, so that entire particular equipment (the one with the C49 sticker on it) have to be change/replaced into another piece of same exact equipment, but has been preconfigured as 650MHz Channel 43, so that the viewers in that building (connected to centralised antenna) will be able to receive 650MHz signal from Mux 2. That equipment cannot be retuned/adjusted/reconfigure) or whatsoever (the most is just power output levels or something like that).

So after removing the equipment that is preconfigured to 698MHz, what can you do with that then?
Unless if MYTV uses back Channel 49 698MHz (which is impossible), then only you can use back. Otherwise, there's nothing you can do. Throw away, or send to recycling centre maybe?
Maybe can use it in hotel TVs where they can distribute their in-house or Astro channels through in-house DTT or cable TV to hotel room TVs. Not sure, just guess.

Now I know how nightmare it is for centralised antenna contractors where they have to go replace all of this same equipment again on every single buildings that uses centralised antenna around the region when there is a frequency retune exercise again in the future.
The above photo and information is provided by one of the centralised antenna installer that I got to know him through online.

If you are an centralised antenna contractor, and if I might provide inaccurate info, do correct me with right info. Cuz I'm still not fully familiar with centralise antenna yet, but still learning though...
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wow, that sounds expensive every time MYTV changes their frequency
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post Feb 25 2020, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 25 2020, 01:50 AM)
"Interested to buy? Remember to choose the correct frequency channel before proceed to checkout, cuz the frequency is permanent and can't be changed." biggrin.gif
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€71.57 equals to RM328.63 as of today's currency rate. (That probably not the exact price that those centralised antenna installers/contractors get, but you roughly can get the estimate.)
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Imagine if MYTV announces that Mux 1 and Mux 2 frequencies will be changed to another frequency for Klang Valley, just imagine how many apartments, condominiums, office and commercial buildings around Klang Valley area they need to go through and get the equipment replaced/changed?
Like what dannyw experiencing now, his condo management has no idea what's going on, and they give him the contractor's contact to deal with it, and eventually would get approval from building management.
Those building management persons would be like: "No one inform us about any frequency retune exercise also." Who knows they're busy with something else and don't feel like want to bother about this, since people nowadays would just watch Astro or stream shows online?  hmm.gif

Erm, I thought MYTV was supposed to handle those technical related stuff, DTT infrastructure and others? Or they too busy to keep advising people to buy digital TV boxes that comes with MCMC logo (cuz that would profit them more)? Why is this happening? What can they do to prevent such problem to reoccur in the future? From what I see, keep on advising the viewer to "perform Auto Search again and again until you get reception" is what they do best, and those who not familiar with DTT stuff would just follow that as what being told, or MYTV would assign an authorised installer to viewer's premise to get things done, with a fee of course, and who knows MYTV would earn some commission from there.  dry.gif

If MYTV announces that they wanna retune to another frequency in the future, just imagine how much trouble experienced by the residents/viewers in the building, as well as the building management themselves, and even if "they don't mind", you got to think about the cost and time needed to get the contractor to change/replace the equipment too...

Imagine this, if 600MHz band for 4G/5G services becomes popular around Asian countries, and Malaysia wants to adopts it....
Hmmm, another nationwide frequency retune exercise + replace/retune all signal equipment used in buildings to the new frequencies?  whistling.gif

So what's the conclusion here? It seems to me that the best and cheapest way is to use your own indoor antenna, or a small sized outdoor antenna placed indoors/near to your TV, or just install an outdoor antenna at your balcony/window if the building management allows it. From what I see, that's the most immediate, straightforward and probably cheaper solution. But then, that is provided if the DTT signals are strong enough for the antenna to pickup within the building.

And then those who finds this complicated, they would just forget about it, and go for other platforms like Astro, or watch shows online instead.
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Can an aerial antenna be split to many different houses and TV ? Like 3-4 houses share 1 aerial antenna instead of having this central antenna..... sound more economical but if they can find place to hide it
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post Feb 27 2020, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 10 2020, 02:58 PM)
The upcoming digital TV frequency restacking exercise will be done in selected Northern and Southern regions of Peninsular Malaysia as follows:
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Source: https://www.facebook.com/BESTVRTM/videos/84...849679542184266
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Source: https://www.facebook.com/BESTVRTM/videos/2707939055957530/

The only affected frequency are Mux 2, which mostly consists of RTM channels (TV1, TV2, RTM Sports,...).
Mux 1 channels (TV3, 8TV, Go Shop,...) are not affected, hence no change in frequency.

DateTransmitterAffected regions/statesCurrent Freq.New Freq.
18 Feb 2020Bukit TinggiEastern Johor722MHz CH52562MHz CH32
18 Feb 2020Gunung JeraiNorthern and Southern Perak & parts of Kedah698MHz CH49650MHz CH43
20 Feb 2020Gunung LedangCentral and Northern Johor, Melacca & Negeri Sembilan722MHz CH52562MHz CH32
20 Feb 2020Seberang JayaEntire Seberang Jaya (Penang Island)698MHz CH49650MHz CH43
21 Feb 2020Penang U4Georgetown, Bayan Lepas & Seberang Prai698MHz CH49650MHz CH43
25 Feb 2020Bukit TampinParts of Negeri Sembilan & Melacca722MHz CH52562MHz CH32
25 Feb 2020Bukit LarutNorthern Perak and Southern Penang698MHz CH49650MHz CH43
27 Feb 2020Gunung KledangCentral, Eastern and Northern Perak698MHz CH49650MHz CH43
Time: 1.00 am - 6.00 am

The reason behind the nationwide frequency restacking exercise is to vacate frequencies that are adjacent to the 700MHz band, which will be used for 4G/5G mobile services soon (Band 28 / n28).
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Gunung keledang is in Ipoh if not mistaken, I wonder what would happen as I think not many tech savvy people is in Ipoh

Some people even got “if can work, then it’s fine as long as can watch TV” mentality

I think a better example is: “if got internet good enough, as long as can browse the internet” so TM basically won’t really prioritize fiber deployment so some area will basically get stuck with screamyx snail speed

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post Feb 28 2020, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 28 2020, 12:20 AM)
MYTV already made a video to inform viewers on how to perform Auto/Manual Search when you experience any interruption in viewing of channels.
Although that "PSA video" is being broadcast to all FTA channels now, I don't think every single viewers are paying much attention to that.
So the incident of "suddenly channels went no signal" will still happen to some viewers in affected regions.
But yea, those who uses MYTV box may be automatically auto update the channel frequency itself without any user intervention, but not every digital TV box or digital-ready TVs supports that.

Also, this video appears to be made only in Malay language, and only "photo posts" in Chinese and Tamil language are posted on MYTV/myFreeview social media page.
Language may be a barrier here, but don't feel like making another video in another language, at least they should consider providing English, Chinese and Tamil subtitles on the video.

For instance, this news here: https://www.nst.com.my/lifestyle/groove/202...ency-restacking
Do you think those non tech savvy persons especially those uncle and aunties would understand what does this news article even mean?
They'll probably be like: "Uh-huh, frequency restacking exercise for digital TV broadcast, uhhh, okay, so? What does it mean? Means no more digital TV can watch? Means need to pay money?"
Maybe, try show this similar news article to your family/parents/elderly, see if they understand what its trying to say.

At least they do something to inform the viewers, but in my opinion, it's just not enough attention for the mass audiences to know.
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Maybe when they try to retune their decoder they would be rclxub.gif and probably say forget it or hire someone to do it for them or switch to NJOI, less confusion
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 28 2020, 12:20 AM)
MYTV already made a video to inform viewers on how to perform Auto/Manual Search when you experience any interruption in viewing of channels.
Although that "PSA video" is being broadcast to all FTA channels now, I don't think every single viewers are paying much attention to that.
So the incident of "suddenly channels went no signal" will still happen to some viewers in affected regions.
But yea, those who uses MYTV box may be automatically auto update the channel frequency itself without any user intervention, but not every digital TV box or digital-ready TVs supports that.

Also, this video appears to be made only in Malay language, and only "photo posts" in Chinese and Tamil language are posted on MYTV/myFreeview social media page.
Language may be a barrier here, but don't feel like making another video in another language, at least they should consider providing English, Chinese and Tamil subtitles on the video.

For instance, this news here: https://www.nst.com.my/lifestyle/groove/202...ency-restacking
Do you think those non tech savvy persons especially those uncle and aunties would understand what does this news article even mean?
They'll probably be like: "Uh-huh, frequency restacking exercise for digital TV broadcast, uhhh, okay, so? What does it mean? Means no more digital TV can watch? Means need to pay money?"
Maybe, try show this similar news article to your family/parents/elderly, see if they understand what its trying to say.

At least they do something to inform the viewers, but in my opinion, it's just not enough attention for the mass audiences to know.
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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Feb 28 2020, 07:37 AM)
Maybe when they try to retune their decoder they would be  rclxub.gif and probably say forget it or hire someone to do it for them or switch to NJOI, less confusion
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At least I was able to teach my aunt to retune the decoder and she finally managed to retune it by herself rclxms.gif

But I don't think everyone has tech-savvy people to help them to retune/ teach them to retune which is probably a problem for the majority of people using FTA(aerial )

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QUOTE(birain @ Feb 28 2020, 06:17 PM)
Untuk makluman, terdapat gangguan pada isyarat MYTV DTH (Direct to Home) berikutan fenomena semulajadi ‘Sun Outage’ yang dijangka berlaku sepanjang bulan Mac 2020.

Ia merupakan fenomena semulajadi yang berlaku ketika radiasi matahari berada pada kedudukan selari dengan satelit dan bumi. Tenaga solar akan menjejaskan isyarat satelit yang sampai ke stesen bumi. Anggaran gangguan siaran adalah di antara jam 11.30 pagi sehingga 5.30 petang (waktu Malaysia).
*first it was the rain, now the sun outage  laugh.gif
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24/7 outage( if raining at night)

QUOTE(Qash-M @ Feb 28 2020, 07:38 PM)
Least they announce it beforehand, unlike astroll. brows.gif
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Astro is going to be affected as well?

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post Feb 29 2020, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 29 2020, 02:12 AM)
Yes. Every satellites will be affected by sun outage (regardless of C band, Ku band, etc), but it usually isn't a major issue to many, since it happens for 2 seasons per year, and each time it happens for around 5-15 minutes or less, depend on various factors.

You can use the Sun Outage calculator from Asiasat website here, to get the rough estimate on when you shall expect to lose signal from Asiasat 9 satellite according to your location and other factors:
https://www.asiasat.com/technology/tools/sun-outage
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Do note that the time zone shown are GMT+0, so you'll have to add 8 hours on your own, which makes it GMT+8 (Malaysia time).
For instance:
Year Mon Day  Time(Gmt)  Time(Gmt)  Duration(min)
2020 03 15  03:43      03:48        05

So just add 8 hours on the 03:43, so it becomes 11:43am Malaysia time. Means you shall lose satellite signal for a while as the sun outage process starts around 11:43am for that day, based on the GPS coordinates provided, and it shall ends on 11:48am, total duration of 5 minutes.
Different days may have slightly different duration, and it could last, like around 15 minutes as well.

Feel free to search it on Google if you're interested to know more about sun outage.
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🤔, if this case then maybe Astro would have many people hitting their CS line thinking that their decoder is broken when the SCNA error comes out.... at least MYTV announced it

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