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dayojah
post Mar 23 2020, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Feb 24 2020, 05:36 PM)
Btw just to give you a picture on what kind of works that needs to be done by the contractor.
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See the "C49" sticker on that equipment? That is to indicate to the technician/contractor where that equipment is for Channel 49 - 698MHz; so that viewers can receive DTT signals for 698MHz CH49 which is Mux 2 channels that consists of RTM channels.
Because 698MHz no longer in use, so that entire particular equipment (the one with the C49 sticker on it) have to be change/replaced into another piece of same exact equipment, but has been preconfigured as 650MHz Channel 43, so that the viewers in that building (connected to centralised antenna) will be able to receive 650MHz signal from Mux 2. That equipment cannot be retuned/adjusted/reconfigure) or whatsoever (the most is just power output levels or something like that).

So after removing the equipment that is preconfigured to 698MHz, what can you do with that then?
Unless if MYTV uses back Channel 49 698MHz (which is impossible), then only you can use back. Otherwise, there's nothing you can do. Throw away, or send to recycling centre maybe?
Maybe can use it in hotel TVs where they can distribute their in-house or Astro channels through in-house DTT or cable TV to hotel room TVs. Not sure, just guess.

Now I know how nightmare it is for centralised antenna contractors where they have to go replace all of this same equipment again on every single buildings that uses centralised antenna around the region when there is a frequency retune exercise again in the future.
The above photo and information is provided by one of the centralised antenna installer that I got to know him through online.

If you are an centralised antenna contractor, and if I might provide inaccurate info, do correct me with right info. Cuz I'm still not fully familiar with centralise antenna yet, but still learning though...
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Incredibly bad design.
There won't be any channel specific components in there, real hardware cavity filters are far too expensive for this product. There will be just some manual adjustment or a programmed channel
So throw away by design - more profit
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post Mar 25 2020, 11:11 PM

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If anyone in KL has a discarded channel 49 locked unit, I am interesting in having a look at it
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post Apr 5 2020, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Apr 5 2020, 12:36 AM)
Even if it is free, the picture quality of RTM HD channels is quite mediocre with around 2.5Mbps video bitrate available (not a suitable bitrate for 1080i HDTV broadcast), looks very like what you can see on YouTube (even sometimes YouTube videos looks much better if the uploading source is good). Slightly complex scenes already causes the text in the crawler bars to look blocky. When compared to DTT channels in Singapore (which has better quality) ours RTM looks like "ada gambar sudah".
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Singapore has more multiplexes because they have a lot more spectrum than Malaysia for historical reasons and transmitting per person there is very cheap. Covering rural Malaysia gets very expensive.
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post Apr 5 2020, 10:36 PM

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Interesting that the TV audio bitrate is so low, while the radio stations are close to 128kbps, which is not bad for rather lofi programming radio stations

The original tender asked for two multiplexes with the option of a third in more developed areas.
256 QAM was not favoured because we were supposed to get decent building penetration, something that has definitely not happened.
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post Apr 6 2020, 11:02 AM

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Low bitrate audio is acceptable for the news or shopping channels.
I agree with you, ~80 kbps is what you need for the talent programs and movies.
It would be interesting to find out what Astro give, but their encryption makes it hard to find out.
One reason for the over-compression is the distribution costs. we were not allowed to propose satellite in the bids and TM rates are scary.
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post Apr 6 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 6 2020, 11:57 AM)
Astro's audio bitrate is:

64kbps HE-AAC for its Stereo tracks in HD channels
384kbps/448kbps (few channels only) AC3 for its Dolby 5.1 track in HD channels.
224-256kbps E-AC3 Dolby Digital Plus audio codec is used for UHD channels.
192kbps MP2 audio for its SD channels and radio channels.
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Thanks for that
64kbps on their HD is mediocre.
I have noticed occasionally that Astro sound is brick wall bandlimited

I would put 192kbps MP2 at roughly equivalent to 128kbps MP3, so not bad and much better than you get with DAB
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post Apr 7 2020, 06:41 PM

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Likely to be the MATV system not working.
Recent TVs should work with MyTV.
Where are you?
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post Apr 8 2020, 09:42 AM

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Can you see Menara KL, Genting or Bkt Sg Besi from your unit?
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post Apr 8 2020, 03:22 PM

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You only need to be able to see one of the three Klang Valley transmitters.
If you can see Menara KL, you should get enough signal for an indoor aerial.

Wangsa Maju and Melawati cannot see any of the three.
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post Apr 9 2020, 10:29 AM

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At UHF frequencies line of sight is critical. TV transmitters use fairly high power, but the signal won't go round corners. If you live in a condo near KLCC, but on the wrong side of the building, you may only be a km or so from Menara KL, but your signal is only reflections of other buildings. You then end up with reasonable signal strength but a poor signal quality. This is why your decoder has two scales.
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post Apr 11 2020, 05:59 PM

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I find it quite fiddly getting an indoor aerial to receive both muxes at the same time
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post Apr 12 2020, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Apr 12 2020, 02:11 PM)
It depends to the policy of MYTV if they want to activate third MUX or not. Given the number of channels available on MYTV DTT, it isn't cost effective for MYTV to activate 3rd MUX yet even if the option is available, as there are still plenty of space available on both MUX 1 and MUX 2.
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They need to increase the main channel bit rate, but given the economy state now, I don't see Mux 3 happening soon.
We don't know if the transmitters are fitted with two mux combiners or three mux. adding a third transmitter driver just costs money, changing the combiner takes the transmitter site out of service for some time.
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post Apr 15 2020, 01:17 PM

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If you are 30km from the transmitter, you need an outdoor antenna
Just being out doors and a bit more height gives far more signal than you can get from any indoor aerial.
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post Apr 16 2020, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Exa_Bytez @ Apr 15 2020, 06:20 PM)
I also get 90+ on the signal strength at some point but quality remain at 0. What is the correlation  between both?
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If you look at a TV signal with a spectrum analyser, it is actually made up of dozens of carriers spaced out across the 8 MHz channel.
Indoor signals usually end up with some of these strong and some week, so what should look like a neat row like this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...ectrum_good.jpg
actually ends up looking like a picture of a mountain range. This is caused by reflections inside your house
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post Apr 16 2020, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 16 2020, 12:58 PM)
So a good signal with almost no interference will look like a sharp cliff-like mountain, while signal with interference will look like entire graph very messy? Something like that?

But the thing is, what if consumers don't have equipment to check the spectrum analyser?
Strength high high, but Quality 0%?
And, if Quality reading is not 100%, maybe barely like 50-60%, but Strength also somewhere there, does it means there's some interference/data errors?
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That's correct and why you have the quality bar and not just signal strength. If the strength is low, quality will never be good
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post Apr 16 2020, 02:32 PM

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Depending a bit on the decoder, 70% signal strength is a bit low.
Better aerials are more directional and automatically give higher quality at the same time as signal
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post Apr 16 2020, 10:27 PM

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Window grilles are the enemy of indoor reception

Yes MyTV use 256QAM, anything else is a confused decoder
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post Apr 17 2020, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Apr 17 2020, 01:43 PM)
That's probably for Analog TV?

But higher signal strength = more stable signal( and less likely to be disrupted by rain?)
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Once you get to 100 Signal, 100 Quality your picture is as good as MyTV will allow.

MyTV transmit two multiplexes, often one is weaker than the other, but the stations in each Mux are all or nothing, you cannot be able to receive only some of them.
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post Apr 18 2020, 02:57 PM

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They are still determined to clear the top end of the 600 MHz block to allow the 700 MHz 5G late this year
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post Apr 22 2020, 10:23 PM

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There is no standard to what the signal and quality scales actually mean, so comparing across brands means nothing

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