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English Clubs Manchester United Street Talks, Burnley 0 Man Utd 2

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limjenson
post Nov 10 2019, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Nov 10 2019, 11:53 PM)
Nah..not his fault....its Lingard's fault as his presence caused the ball to roll off target....
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I tot Rashford been saying how Ole as manager is going to improve his composure and finishing.....Maybe he could learn from Greenwood instead.
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post Nov 11 2019, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(limjenson @ Nov 10 2019, 11:57 PM)
I tot Rashford been saying how Ole as manager is going to improve his composure and finishing.....Maybe he could learn from Greenwood instead.
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That's why we are in such a bad position now. Our forward need 4 or 5 chances to score a goal.
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post Nov 11 2019, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 10 2019, 11:52 PM)
And how is lingard involvement in that increase?
Like i said, im not arguing who is better. But more than enough chances given to mata, but he failed countless time. Im okay not playing AP but we don't really have any option
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FT 135% increase after AP came off, lingard involvement 55% from the increase. so technically play lingard or no AM better than playing AP in that position.

Chances created increased by 0.23 per minute, which is crazy high after AP was subbed.
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QUOTE(limjenson @ Nov 10 2019, 11:57 PM)
I tot Rashford been saying how Ole as manager is going to improve his composure and finishing.....Maybe he could learn from Greenwood instead.
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Sometimes some of them will have the killer/poacher instinct in front of the goal (eg: RVN, Owen, RVP) while some might not.

I guess Rash fall into the latter category.

But the return of Martial do means that he can be more lethal playing from the left flank.
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post Nov 11 2019, 12:02 AM

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Just enjoy it lads. Rashford is not pure striker, if he can build up from this season up & down.He definitely improve his finishing.He is far from finish article.
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post Nov 11 2019, 12:02 AM

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Well, knowing McTom is injured, and still start him.
And now it became worse.
Won the game, may be lost the most important player for several matches.
Or even month.

Oh, blah x 3.
Negativity from me. Sorry Mr.Saint there.

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post Nov 11 2019, 12:09 AM

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5* performance. the scoreline is abit flattering for brighton. easily a trashing.

rashford getting more and more unclinical. his goal nearly shoot out as well. lucky tiang bounce in haha. kesian lingard, got 2 open chance, no ppl pass to him but to rashford.

fred has his best game in my opinion. he shows he can pass in this game. wonder, how he always pass to ads board previously. after 2 weeks, young starts.

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KennRicky
post Nov 11 2019, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Nov 11 2019, 12:01 AM)
FT 135% increase after AP came off, lingard involvement 55% from the increase. so technically play lingard or no AM better than playing AP in that position.

Chances created increased by 0.23 per minute, which is crazy high after AP was subbed.
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Well thank u bro for providing those data.
But someone will still tag me as a negative-based-on-nothing person.
At least I know I am right. Whew ~
O-haiyo
post Nov 11 2019, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Nov 11 2019, 12:01 AM)
FT 135% increase after AP came off, lingard involvement 55% from the increase. so technically play lingard or no AM better than playing AP in that position.

Chances created increased by 0.23 per minute, which is crazy high after AP was subbed.
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Good then. He did he job as an impact sub. But stats can be misleading sometimes.
We are up 3-1 by the time Lingard came in. That allows him to attack more, but the frenzy last for like what, 5 minutes? You compare AP as a starter and Lingard as a sub. I wouldn't want to over analyze lingard performance given that he was a sub. He is suppose to make that kind of impact.

55% involvement, that includes normal passing. he got no goal and no assist yet this season. That's very bad for an AM
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post Nov 11 2019, 12:41 AM

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So quiet. Everyone busy 11.11 instead of arguing.
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post Nov 11 2019, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 11 2019, 12:14 AM)
Good then. He did he job as an impact sub. But stats can be misleading sometimes.
We are up 3-1 by the time Lingard came in. That allows him to attack more, but the frenzy last for like what, 5 minutes? You compare AP as a starter and Lingard as a sub. I wouldn't want to over analyze lingard performance given that he was a sub. He is suppose to make that kind of impact.

55% involvement, that includes normal passing. he got no goal and no assist yet this season. That's very bad for an AM
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stats were recorded for 24 minutes of play. There are no player ratings included from opta, only the stats, you draw your own conclusions. lingard wasn't an impact sub, he just did not stop the flow of the game and was more direct. I'd rather trust the stats than my eyes, at least the stats wont lie to me after a drink or two.

AWB was slower than usual in this match and less distance covered, i think he is carrying a knock or is tired. He needs a rest.
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:03 AM

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Stat can be misleading. If you follow stat, John O' Shea is the best keeper in the world. 100% clean sheet.

I'm not taking anyone side here. For me Mata is a good playmaker and experienced at that as well. But he lack the energy, pace and physicality that can be provided by Pereira. Both have pros and cons. And both have their suitable time to be played.

And tonight my only bone with Pereira is he like to drift too much to the left and disturb the flow of Rashford and Martial. A good plus for him tonight is he seems to gel very well with Fred. Worked together nicely to clear balls and stop opponents.

Overall, very good performance by everyone. And for the Brighton goal, I can't really blame anyone, that guy is really freaking tall.

#GlazersOut

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post Nov 11 2019, 01:07 AM

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once pogba return from injury, he should start ahead of AP/lingard/mata. Keep Mctominay and fred. Problem settle.
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Nov 11 2019, 12:46 AM)
stats were recorded for 24 minutes of play. There are no player ratings included from opta, only the stats, you draw your own conclusions. lingard wasn't an impact sub, he just did not stop the flow of the game and was more direct. I'd rather trust the stats than my eyes, at least the stats wont lie to me after a drink or two.

AWB was slower than usual in this match and less distance covered, i think he is carrying a knock or is tired. He needs a rest.
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Yes for 24 minutes of play. That's why i said I wouldn't want to over analyze lingard's performance. Stats wont lie, but sometimes it doesn't show the whole picture. But if you are saying Lingard should start ahead AP, then maybe you should take a look at the stats again
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Nov 11 2019, 01:03 AM)
Stat can be misleading. If you follow stat, John O' Shea is the best keeper in the world. 100% clean sheet.

I'm not taking anyone side here. For me Mata is a good playmaker and experienced at that as well. But he lack the energy, pace and physicality that can be provided by Pereira. Both have pros and cons. And both have their suitable time to be played.

And tonight my only bone with Pereira is he like to drift too much to the left and disturb the flow of Rashford and Martial. A good plus for him tonight is he seems to gel very well with Fred. Worked together nicely to clear balls and stop opponents.

Overall, very good performance by everyone. And for the Brighton goal, I can't really blame anyone, that guy is really freaking tall.

#GlazersOut
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Also corners! AP corners is so much better than anyone else in the team.
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 11 2019, 01:19 AM)
Also corners! AP corners is so much better than anyone else in the team.
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Yes. Another good point. He took better corners than anyone else in the current team.
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 11 2019, 01:19 AM)
Also corners! AP corners is so much better than anyone else in the team.
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err ...... he took better than Young. But still.
And every time when I see beautiful cross from James, I really wonder why he is not the one who in charge in taking corner.
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(plain_white @ Nov 11 2019, 01:07 AM)
once pogba return from injury, he should start ahead of AP/lingard/mata. Keep Mctominay and fred. Problem settle.
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Indeed the best possible solution.
But can be only try starting mid of December.
Provided none of 3 forwards will injure at that time.
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:41 AM

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lol
Title Winner decided b4 december already
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post Nov 11 2019, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Nov 11 2019, 01:03 AM)
Stat can be misleading. If you follow stat, John O' Shea is the best keeper in the world. 100% clean sheet.

I'm not taking anyone side here. For me Mata is a good playmaker and experienced at that as well. But he lack the energy, pace and physicality that can be provided by Pereira. Both have pros and cons. And both have their suitable time to be played.

And tonight my only bone with Pereira is he like to drift too much to the left and disturb the flow of Rashford and Martial. A good plus for him tonight is he seems to gel very well with Fred. Worked together nicely to clear balls and stop opponents.

Overall, very good performance by everyone. And for the Brighton goal, I can't really blame anyone, that guy is really freaking tall.

#GlazersOut
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The forward 3 never lack of energy and pace.
They need a creative no.10 to create a more balance combination.

I don't want to drag in Lingard.
But provided the starting 3 is within Rashford + Martial + James + Greenwood, then Mata is certainly a better choice.

This prove it why.
https://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/2019/11/9...solskjaer-right

Yes he is lacked of pace, but he know how to run into position and play 1-2 well when we near the box.
That is what lack by us when opponent is parking the bus.
That is also why AP is especially useless in those match, because he dunno how to run, and lack in creativity.
Even Fred has created more chance than AP in this match which we has a lot of space. And Fred is playing as a DM.

But yes, Mata cannot play every match since he is old.
So no way, sometimes we need to play AP.

Saying AP and Mata both has pro and cons is acceptable for me.
Yet if someone said AP > Mata in the no.10 role, that is absolutely ridiculous.



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