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post Dec 11 2021, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(cody1999 @ Dec 11 2021, 01:35 AM)
I'm currently studying in Germany but I think the process is more or less the same.

Step 1: Get the swiss tax voucher from ibkr or activity statements with 'account details', 'withholding tax', and 'dividends' on the day the dividend is paid (like I said before I can't guarantee that that will work every time).

Step 2: Download Form 60 and Snapform Viewer from www.estv.admin.ch/estv/de/home/internationales-steuerrecht/international-laender/sif/malaysia.html#-1277406365 (for some reason the website is only available in German, French and Italian).

Step 3: Fill up the form. There are instructions on the last page.

Step 4: Print three copies of the form and get those certified by LHDN (I'm not too sure about how this step goes in Malaysia, in Germany, I just sent the form to my local tax office and they sent it back after they certified it. They also kept one copy for themselves.).

Step 5: Send the documents to


Step 6: Wait for the confirmation letter. It is important that you keep the confirmation letter because you will be given an FTA-ID that you have to put in the form every time you want to apply for a refund.
All in all, it took me five weeks to get my refund, including the two weeks it took for my local tax office to send back the forms. Probably there aren't that many companies that distribute dividends this time of year because from what I read from others, sometimes it takes months for them to get the refunds.

You might also want to consider the cost like postage, TT fees when applying for refunds.
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Thanks for the detailed steps. Indeed the steps are similar to what I was told by the Swiss tax authorities. The only difference is you send the documents from Germany as you are a German tax resident, while the rest here are Malaysian tax resident (I would be a HK tax resident).

https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/switzerland/co...thholding-taxes

By the way, Switzerland's WHT rate should be 15% for Germany and not 30% for Malaysia's case.

But your postage fees should be cheaper than ours since Germany is just next to Switzerland and we are thousands of km away. tongue.gif
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post Dec 11 2021, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(cody1999 @ Dec 11 2021, 05:22 PM)
The withholding tax should be the same for both countries, 35% by default and 15% according to double tax agreement. The rest can be reclaimed by application.

It cost me 1.10€(RM5) to send documents to Switzerland. RM7.20 to send a mail to Switzerland from Malaysia according to Pos Malaysia website.

I have to delete the url because I can’t post them.
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Hmm difference of 2 MYR, but still not cheap even for post delivery to neighbouring countries.
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post Dec 23 2021, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Dec 23 2021, 08:44 PM)
after procrastinated for half a year, I finally opened an IBKR and CIMB Singapore account. Transferring from Wise to CIMB Singapore has a fee, then currency conversion from SGD to USD in IBKR also got a fee, this is normal right?

Wise fee is ok, but the currency conversion in IBKR from SGD to USD is really pain, I lost like around 3 usd for a 490 SGD conversion to USD, is there a better way to convert to usd?
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Yes, first transfer from MY to CIMB SG through Wise will incur a charge. From CIMB SG to IBKR via FAST no charges, then from SGD to USD, another round of charges.

For the second leg, the IBKR USD/SGD conversion fees are fixed around 2-3 USD/SGD regardless of conversion amount. So you should try converting large amount of money at once, rather than doing it frequently with small amounts of money.
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post Dec 25 2021, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Dec 25 2021, 11:04 AM)
Why not straight from CIMB MY -> CIMB SG -> IBKR , this i think maybe quite cost competitive also.......has anyone compare this way vs wise?? hmm.gif
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Because in the past this method involves 2 forex charges, first from MYR to SGD (Wise's charges), then from SGD to USD (IBKR's charges).

Now it seems Ziet and David have found that you can directly transfer from MYR straight into USD using Wise, but in the past this method has attracted attention from IB's legal compliance staffs. Now wait for the sifus to sort things out.

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post Dec 25 2021, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Dec 25 2021, 11:01 AM)
IBKR has forex? I look at their page don't have much information on currency forex pairing......or are you using their forex CFD?? confused.gif
Can enlighten me abit...
Do they have forex calculator like Oanda?

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Yes, there are many currency conversions available. IBKR's forex conversion are done with currency pairs, like "USD.SGD", "USD.HKD" for example.

You buy or sell the currency pair to achieve conversion.

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=47638
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post Dec 25 2021, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Dec 25 2021, 11:30 AM)
Sorry, i missed some details........
CIMB MY (MYR) -> CIMB SG (SGD) -> IBKR (SGD) -> IBKR (USD)
overall how much of cost advantage doing this way vs the Ziet way? If it's under 0.2% difference (for example), some user might just accept it for varies reasons. Or as a alternative cost effective route if the Ziet's WISE way got highly restricted.
If its under 0.2% difference (for example), some might just op for this route..........of course if it turns out to be 0.5% or more, some will just avoid entirely
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The MYR -> SGD -> USD method involves 2 transactions, so you are paying transaction fees twice, versus MYR -> USD method, fees are charged only once. So the fees of the former method would be higher than the later and should be the worst choice.

The exact cost depends on the second leg of the former choice (i.e. SGD -> USD) as a fixed fee of 2 USD is charged per transaction, but if expressed as percentage, depends on how much you intend to convert, 2 USD out of 500 USD is 0.4%, but 2 USD out of 1000 USD is 0.2%. It really depends on how much you transfer.

For the former choice's first leg (i.e. MYR -> SGD) the cost I am not sure (let me ping dwRK), but for the later choice (MYR -> USD), the spread should be around 0.75% vs banks for large transfers:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...#entry102308756

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post Dec 25 2021, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Dec 25 2021, 11:37 AM)
Thanks for the reply.. notworthy.gif
But i notice, it's a direct conversion of 1:1, how about leverage feature for forex?  confused.gif
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This I don't know. I guess using margin account should allow you to borrow your desired currencies?

Other sifus can help you.
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post Dec 25 2021, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 25 2021, 01:16 PM)
Yes got Forex. But each trade/conversion cost usd2.00.
Do not use cimb my -> cimb sg. Use fintech Sunway money, bigpay.
Cimb my -> Sunway money, bigpay -> cimb sg.
You can direct transfer if you have borderless account. No questions will be asked. Been there done that. You cannot direct transfer if you don't have borderless account. That's why I you see me supporting TransferWise so much. A borderless account is very powerful for poor Malaysians who cannot travel to us to open bank account. It lets you have a virtual us bank under your name.
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Just to confirm with you, the borderless account if opened in SGD would also be fine for the purpose of transferring MYR to USD directly? Or it must be strictly MYR during account opening?
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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Dec 25 2021, 01:46 PM)
Means if transfer direct from CIMB SG to IBKR only can avoid this compliance check? Won't it be expensive for the FX rate since bank conversion to USD is shitty rate? Or u guys are converting SGD to USD at IBKR? Confused here.

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So far that is the case, CIMB SG -> IBKR. I have not been asked by IB to show any proof/verification for the transaction from CIMB SG to IBKR.

Conversion of SGD to USD is done within IBKR, with a fixed rate of 2 USD per transaction.


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post Dec 25 2021, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Dec 25 2021, 05:48 PM)
The conversion medium he used for both examples are using Wise. What i meant was using cimb(MY) to cimb(SG) as conversion medium. Wise most likely to be the most cost effective, however, my argument is "how much more cost effective" when comparing using cimb(MY) to cimb(SG) as medium. As it seems that cimb(MY) to cimb(SG) gives a competitive as well. If its just a 0.1 or 0.2% difference, some users might find this more fitting to their uses or reasons.
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If you are to compare overall charges, you need to look at the whole chain, not just "CIMB MY to SG" portion.

There are 2 methods: (CIMB MY/other local banks -> (via Wise/Instarem/Sunway Money) -> CIMB SG -> IBKR USD) and (CIMB MY/other local banks -> (via Wise borderless) -> IBKR USD)

Ziet has compared the 2 methods and the resultant savings of the direct transfer (2nd method) is about 2-3 USD per transfer.

From his Youtube video tabulated data, in terms of percentage, I get roughly 1.9% savings for around 500 MYR transfer, 0.98% savings for around 1000 MYR and 0.21% for around 5000 MYR transfer, 0.11% for 10k MYR, 0.08% for 15k MYR, 0.07% for 20k MYR, 0.05% for 30k MYR.

So for large transfer(s) (>10k MYR) the savings is around 0.1%. Around 5k+ MYR, then it is 0.2%.

But for USD ACH transfer there is a risk that if info from Wise is incomplete, the process might take "a few weeks". Ziet has mentioned that it took him one day to receive the money.

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Dec 26 2021, 12:09 AM)
Yes I had did many deposits from wise to IBKR.. All next day arrive, so far no delays. As long input as to how he had guided in the video.
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CIMB SG -> IBKR always less than an hour. tongue.gif

Anyway, I presume you are using following Ziet's video which uses the borderless/Multi-currency account method. Thanks for sharing this method (thanks to Ziet for the video too).

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post Dec 27 2021, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Dec 27 2021, 11:34 AM)
sorry to ask, but what is "Sunway money"? an fintech company like wise/bigpay?
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Yes, online money remittance service.

https://sunwaymoney.com/


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post Dec 27 2021, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Dec 27 2021, 12:01 PM)
thanks! and wow, only Rm1 service fees to transfer to international account? Even wise charged like RM5 - RM 10 for conversion and transfer
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Marketing gimmick. I can charge you low fees but mark-up the exchange rate. In the end, compare the final amount to be received. The higher the better.

Don't bother about "low fees" or "market rates" etc. Think about it, have you seen any forex service providers tell you "low fees" + "market rates" at the same time? (No, because they would earn nothing/very little if they offer both.)

*And beware of overall low cost, more often than not that won't last. The new entrant wants to gain market share, so they undercut competitor's margin, that's what Sea did with Shopee and Amazon did to its online webstore. https://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/202...07-260410?chdtv

EDIT: Updated Sinchew Mandarin opinion column https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220112/3541033/

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post Dec 28 2021, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Dec 28 2021, 10:21 AM)
I done a test last night at around 10pm of sending USD from Wise directly to IBKR, received in IBKR this morning. Is this the recommended way? Hope they won't audit me in the future  sweat.gif
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Did you use Wise's USD currency balance to do that (following Ziet's video)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYzHEnBhJs

If yes, then it's fine. The time of transfer doesn't really matter, you could do that any time of the day.

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post Dec 29 2021, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Dec 29 2021, 10:36 AM)
hey guys, I bought Alibaba share last week, IBKR says there'll be some fees for ADR shares or something, I know most china company stock in US is like there's a holding company and investor outside of china do not actually own the stock.

But regardless, IBKR doenst tell me how much the fees will be, is this something I should be worry to hold for long term? scare there's an ADR fee or something every month/day or so
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Normal. I have TSMC's ADRs and Unilever ADRs, both incur some fees too.

This is Alibaba's ADR case: https://depositaryreceipts.citi.com/adr/gui...cusip=01609W102

Some more details.

https://topforeignstocks.com/2016/05/13/adr...be-aware-of-it/

The fees are usually very little, some 2% of the dividends you receive annually.

Yes, you are right. Chinese tech giants like Baba are listed via the well-known VIE structure (Variable Interest Entity). In simplified terms, you are buying shares of a "shell company" incorporated in offshore locations like Cayman Islands, this "shell company" would then sign "contracts" with onshore Chinese companies (the VIEs) which are subsidiaries of Baba to collect profits from their operations.

Watch this video below, will be eye-opening for you. VIE is introduced around 5:26.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqaI3_i7vc8

EDIT: Corrected VIE definition

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post Jan 3 2022, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Jan 3 2022, 04:57 PM)
Hey Guys, for IBKR it doesn't charge Inactiviy fees anymore?
https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=4969

If we trade US stocks it will be under Individual Account right?

Also the Fees are minimum USD1 , max 1% of trade value?
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Removal of inactivity fee is old news, happened months ago. You open account under your name, then it's your individual account.

For US equity markets, if you use tiered pricing structure, then it's 0.35 USD minimum, 0.0035 USD per share, max 1% of trade value.
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Jan 3 2022, 07:37 PM)
Ahh I see...then the tiered is much better than fix right, why would anyone want to select fix then
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For large volumes, fixed pricing is cheaper. And for certain markets like SGX, fixed pricing is cheaper than tiered (fixed is capped at 2.5 SGD per trade minimum, while tiered pricing is around 2.6-2.7 SGD per trade, as exchange fees and stamp duties are added on top of the 2.5 SGD minimum fee).
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QUOTE(Ivan113 @ Jan 7 2022, 12:06 AM)
Is it just me or is the IBKR website is really slow for the past few days? hmmm
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Didn't try the web portal, but the desktop software is working fine. It can be unstable at times though, for example when market resumes trading from lunch break. Or nearing market open/close.

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post Jan 12 2022, 05:08 PM

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And also corporate actions, like dividends, rights issuance, voting matters etc. I find the CA manager on the web to be useful for this purposes.

Also, documents like tax-related stuff, portfolio analysis etc. are found on the web portal too. Perhaps I am wrong, but I can't access them from TWS.
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dwRK I am planning to buy Roche and Nestle shares on SIX with the current bear market.

May I know whether I should buy them directly on SIX or use the default SMART routing? I know these Swiss counters are listed on SIX but the fact that SMART is used suggest they can be traded from other markets as well?

As I am using tiered pricing for now, I checked the IBKR tiered pricing page, and it seems like 1.5 CHF is min, with various exchange and regulatory charges. After listing them down for comparison, seems like CHIX is the cheapest with 0.00003 of trade value and 0.03 EUR/trade of clearing fee (they seem to pay for the trade reporting fee themselves).

But since I am buying CHF stocks, how will be 0.03 EUR be deducted? Automatic forex conversion? Or I must limit myself to VIRTX, Turquoise and EBS only (where their clearing fee are in CHF)?

Thanks for your opinion and info. smile.gif

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