So are you saying that God allowed it or not allowed it because it’s a fallen world.

And if he allowed it, does he give us a reason to know why or we have to just know that the reason is something beyond our understanding ?

And If you said he won’t allow that to happen but why did it happen without him to stop it. Because he is omnipotent he could have stopped it but it happened.

Why a fallen world would prevent god from stepping in?

Those children. Is it possible they would be so hurt that they will never return to god ? It cannot be said that all of them would be like joyce Meyer.

Isaiah 65:17 (NIV) - "See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Revelation 21:4 (NIV) - He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."



The phrase "old order of things" refers to the current fallen state of this world..it will be no more.

New Heaven and Earth...there will be no hospital, doctors, no pain, no more diseases, no illness, no more sinful nature of things like rape, killing, etc.

This is where God is the established ruler and king and Jesus Christ will govern.

This is the place where you can expect God to take care of things.

I don't claim to know everything there is about God but I know a little of which I will try to help you understand.


John 18:36 (NIV) - Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

This the evidence verse in the Bible.

We believe Jesus Christ is God represented, meaning to say whatever He says, is basically what God the Father says. This verse in John 18.36 helps us to understand this current world is not's God's Kingdom else God would have intervened and acted as stated.

However I believe..God is sovereign and omnipotent towards people who are serious with Him, people who will adamantly stick out their faith towards God no matter what. People who are genuine, having a n honest relationship..people who dare come to God despite of their flaws and weaknesses (not claiming people who are 100% holy or 100% perfect). Such I believe...can have miraculous grace with God..meaning having his protection and blessings.

but as to why some who may be... Christians but don't have such grace...I wouldn't know why, Only God's knows the real reason. Perhaps it's faith problem, perhaps there is unforgiveness in their life, perhaps there is something in their life that allows spiritual enemies (devil) to attack, perhaps this and perhaps that. Point is...it's between them and God, we will never really know.


As for your last question, yes it's possible that people will be so hurt they make a resolution to never return to God. Yet at the same time, nothing is impossible, there is always hope even for people who are extremely angry with God. I believe there is always hope.

Err Robert huckle raped 6 month old babies living in Christian orphanages. Don’t think there is a faith issue for the poor soul 6 month old baby.

He completely brainwashed a 2 yr old to be his sex slave for 2 years. He even boasted that she is an obedient dog to him in the dark web.

There has got to be a reason why god let it happen. You mean we will never know? Then how does this translate to his grace if we never know ?

Of course, when it comes to toddlers and children it's not a faith issue. This is the same issue of priest molesting children and in Churches. It's equally appalling.

What I was talking relates to professing & practicing Christians at the age where they have understanding of mind.

It is something never condone but why God let it happened. I wouldn't know. What I do know is that (though it may sound cruel) they are alive, scarred but doesn't necessarily mean they're doomed forever in their life. With God, dead ashes can be brought to life.

One thing you need to discern, just because it's a Christian orphanages, does not automatically means everyone in there (Children included) are believers of Christ. Am I trying to say God doesn't care about children? No, I'm saying this is a fallen world, where if you take a gun and shoot people, people will die. You take a knife to stab someone, that someone will be seriously injured or die. God is not going to stop every Gun killing or knife stabbing unless there is an intervention prayers being petitioned by faith by a person who is genuine in his /her faith.

I think it is not realistic to expect an Utopia world in this fallen and corrupted world. Why do I say this? Because this world will be destroyed by God on judgement day. It will be gone. The world is not going get better, it will get worse as time goes by. We Christians believe as judgment day draws closer, the devil will cause more chaos and havoc. Also imo, It is not right to demand of God in this corrupted world when many do not understand the problem of sin.

The problem of sin is a very huge topic and is the cause why the world has evil.

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If God did not spare his "own" Son, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things?

Romans 8:31-32 (NIV) - 31 What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things?

Good day to you fellow believers.

Today's devotion phrase is quite long. But in short, what God is saying is that, God has obliged himself to his own children. God has not oblige to take care just anybody, not to this fallen world because of sin. But God has oblige to take care for people who has come into agreement with his new covenant.

There are many voices out there that always try to cause doubt on God. Sometime even our own voices try to convince us, if you know what I mean.

Today I'm here to encourage you, take heart, put your trust in what God says, not in what other people say or even myself saying.

If God did not spare his own son, how will He not also, (along with Christ) gives us all things. In short, never doubt on the promise of God's Salvation. Never doubt on the promise of God's providence for your life. Never doubt on the promise of God's willingness to answer your prayers. (Just make sure they are not evil prayers, conceited prayer, etc).

If there's something that is causing a drift between you and God, take a look at Romans 8:31-32 as stated above in today's devotion.

God Bless.

Can North Koreans without a single chance to know God go to heaven?

Probably no.

So North Koreans are born to go to hell?

Well how do you know they'll never get the chance to know God?

Well, do you ever know the situation there in NK? Or imagine yourself being a North Korean that from birth till death is all about Kim propaganda.
This is why I posted this as so far I couldn't get a satisfactory answer to this question.

For kids below 4 years old, I understand that they will go to heaven when death regardless of the kid is Christian or otherwise, as they dont even know the meaning of God.

But for North Koreans?

For interest.....There's a small percentage of Christians in North Korea. As to whether a north Korean will get the chance to hear the gospel, I wouldn't know, perhaps they will in their life time. Even if not which is something I doubt, I would think God would be fair to such.

Why do I say this? Well 1 Peter 3:19 tells us that Christ went to preach to people who have departed prior to his coming.

And that is quite interesting actually. This tells me God does consider people who will never get to meet Christ.

How can I know a church is preaching prosperity gospel instead of actual gospel?

eh nobody reply?

And is Gospel of Water - Is Paul C Jong’s “Gospel of Water” correct?

Prosperity gospel basically is about money. The preaching is geared towards it...nothing much about God.

However with that being said, there is prosperity in the gospel, just that it is never the gospel. The prosperity that's in the gospel is not about money but thriving (or to prosper) in every area of the believer's life, so money would be included but it's never the focus. For example we believe in the passage;

Luke 6:38 (NIV) - Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

When we have a giving heart, I believe God will see to it that the giver will be blessed that God will provide the giver so that he/she will not lack as promised (ALSO) in the book of Psalms


'The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not lack or...want.

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Gospel of water? That's something new, not really in the Bible.

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MATTHEW.6: (NKJV) = Lay Up Treasures in Heaven

19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. ...

33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
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MATTHEW.16: = Take Up the Cross and Follow Him

24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
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MATT.19: = 21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
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1TIMOTHY.6:10 = 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

The Prosperity Gospel is against the Word of God above which require the disciples of Christ to do the works of gaining souls for the kingdom of heaven for more rewards/crowns in heaven, instead of gaining or retaining prosperity or wealth or the world for themselves(= no rewards in heaven and may even lose their soul if they lose faith).

The love of money/riches/prosperity or greed is fallen humans' inborn Adamic evil/satanic/sinful traits which Christians should be vigilant and sober against.
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Stay far away from Paul C Jong = another cultist who added more requirements(eg must be baptized by water) to the Gospel of Salvation which is through faith in Jesus Christ alone. ....... https://thebereans.net/new-life-mission/ - The Gospel of Paul C Jong and The New Life Mission
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Psalm 91: 1-16

1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. a

2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust.”

3 Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare
and from the deadly pestilence.

4 He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

5 You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day,

6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
nor the plague that destroys at midday.

7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you.

8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

9 If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling,

10 no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent.

11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

13 You will tread on the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

14“Because he b loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

15 He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.

16 With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.”

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Dear Fellow Christians, born again believers.......

We can prayer a prayer of protection by using Psalms 91. In verse 3 & 6, the word pestilence can also refer to epidemic diseases. Verse 6 refers to complete protection (Day and Night).
If you can believe this, you will receive this from the Lord. Those who have ear.

God Bless.