May i present to you hebrew 10:16, which is quoted from OT text jeremiah 31:33


And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Hebrews 10:15‭-‬18 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/heb.10.15-18.ESV

Is the christ's law any different from father's law?

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
Hebrews 11:6 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/heb.11.6.ESV

Same chapter in book of hebrew


How is that doesnt mean justified by faith?

Have you read Roman 4 before? According to paul both abraham and king david is justified by faith. And have you read hebrew 11? Promise of a messiah is promised to all saint of OT.

What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.” Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
Romans 4:1‭-‬12 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.4.1-12.ESV

This post has been edited by desmond2020: May 1 2020, 02:40 PM

just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

And you argument is that it refer to covering of sin by animals sacrifice? Note that the refered psalm chapter is wrote after david commited sin of adultery


You have went to mental gymnastics to come up with that isnt it?

But still abraham is before coming of jesus and it is clear bible say he is justified by faith. You cant deny that

And please, dont move the goal post again shall you?

You do realised abraham ia circumcised and pay tithe dont you?

What was that? Covenant of grace he is under?

Oh not you limit god with your time and space again

It is refered to christ obviously, otherwise paul wont speak of it togather with abraham who he clearly said abraham is justified by faith

So by your arguement of grace come with jesus, how can abraham is under grace?

It is okay for them to slander other it seems

Which is very hypocrite person

So UW, you agree with below?

“God loves you and He wants you to be rich. After all, He owns the cattle on a thousand hills and He wants to share the wealth with you. You don’t think an earthly millionaire would let his children eat poorly or wear shabby clothes or drive old clunkers, do you? Neither will your heavenly Father. What is it that you want? Name it and claim it! Believe it and receive it! You are the King’s kids and the king isn’t going to let you have anything but the very best.”

It is interesting that word for faith in hebrew is emunah, which is also same word for 'being faithful'. Jews understanding of faith is definitely more than what current western definition of faith

FYI, faithfulness is 'being faithful'
Where is your dictionary?

'the quality of being faithful, fidelity'

Come let see how you twist

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Oct 7 2020, 11:07 AM

The answer is true faith require action


How does that sound like?

Some said we just need to rest and receive

So god give law to his chosen people, which he expect them to be judged by performance and he also know very well than no human can observe the law perfectly by themselves


Are you saying god make a mistake?

This post has been edited by desmond2020: Oct 7 2020, 12:08 PM

Ah the attack begin

You are not being sarcastic when you belittling other for having no spiritual guidance?


You really believe salvation is exclusive to you church?

Back to the point, how is david and etc al who you said is under law, beung saved?

I recommend psalm 51 which is very beautiful

Quote

Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Let me hear joy and gladness; let the bones that you have broken rejoice. Hide your face from my sins, and blot out all my iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.
Psalm 51:7‭-‬12 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.51.7-12.ESV

Absolutely no, law is given so that man know what is sin, and sin result in death. Law is perfect, as god is

Without faith it is impossible to please Him


Quote a long article on this

Question: "What is the favor of God, and how can I get it?"

Answer: The best definition of the word favor is “demonstrated delight.” The favor of God can be described as “tangible evidence that a person has the approval of the Lord.” When we favor someone, we want to be with him or her. We delight in him. We connect with her in a way we don’t connect with everyone. We usually favor people who also favor us. In the same way, God shows favor to the ones who delight in, connect with, and give honor to Him. Isaiah 66:2 says, “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.” Second Chronicles 16:9 says, “For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong on behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.” To be “perfect” toward Him means we seek His favor more than we seek the favor of anyone else, even ourselves.

Favor is closely related to grace in the Bible. Those who have received Jesus as their Savior are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9). They know the favor of God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), but those who have saving faith in God’s Son are declared righteous (Romans 4:5; Philippians 3:9) and live in God’s favor. The most basic answer to “how can I get God’s favor” is “believe in the Lord Jesus.”

God seeks out those who love Him and love His commands so that He can bless, guide, and protect them (Psalm 37:23; Proverbs 3:5–6). This does not mean that everyone who is prosperous or healthy has found favor with God (Jeremiah 12:1; Psalm 37:7; 73:16). Nor does it mean that those whom the Lord favors will never suffer difficulties. Many people in the Bible had the Lord’s favor but also suffered hardship (2 Corinthians 6:4; Acts 14:22; 20:23; 1 Peter 2:19). Heroes such as Noah (Genesis 6:8), Moses (Exodus 32:11; 33:13), Daniel (Daniel 10:19), and Mary (Luke 1:28) were favored of the Lord, but they also struggled with difficulties like anyone else.

Those who are favored of God know that God is with them and that nothing can happen to them apart from His good purpose (Romans 8:28). They have His ear as they walk through dark valleys (Psalm 34:15) and know that their struggle to remain true to Him will not go unrewarded (Matthew 10:42; Revelation 2:10). In addition to outward evidences, God’s favor can be felt in the spirit. When we have the favor of the Lord, we rest in quiet confidence that our sins are forgiven (Romans 4:7), we are within the plan of God (Psalm 86:11), and that He is there for us at all times (Isaiah 41:10; Matthew 28:20). We walk with God as with our closest friend. We begin to see and appreciate the little blessings that God provides for our enjoyment—blessings that we once took for granted.

The Lord invites us to seek His favor (Psalm 119:58, 135; 2 Kings 13:4; Jeremiah 26:19; Zephaniah 2:3). When we seek His favor, we humble our hearts before Him (2 Kings 22:19); seek Him for Himself, not just for the blessings He gives (Jeremiah 29:13); and arrange our lives around loving Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength (Mark 12:30; Luke 10:27). We seek first His kingdom and righteousness (Matthew 6:33).

One way to obtain favor from the Lord is to seek wisdom. Proverbs 8:35 says, “For those who find me [wisdom] find life and receive favor from the LORD.” Psalm 5:12 says, “Surely, LORD, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield.” Finding favor with the Lord keeps our lives and thoughts pure because we desire to please Him more than we desire to please ourselves. Hebrews 11:25 says of Moses, “He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.” When the same can be said of us, we know we have found favor with God. His delight in us will be demonstrated.

You know, if you have nothing to say, you ddint need to reply.

I am also not glad to see your reply