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post Oct 9 2019, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 02:03 PM)
2 Corinthians 3:7 (KJV)

But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
The 10 commandments are written and engraved on stones, it's called a ministry of death.

Try and explain that. What is this ministry of death?

Death, define it.
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Now if the ministration of death: Paul means the former law, which by giving them a greater knowledge, and not giving graces of itself to fulfil those precepts, occasioned death, was notwithstanding glorious, accompanied with miracles on Mount Sinai, and so that the Israelites, when Moses came down from the mountain, could not bear the glory of his countenance, which he was forced to cover with a veil, when he spoke to them. Shall not the ministration of the Spirit in the new law, which worketh our sanctification and salvation, abound with much greater glory?

Don't forget the moral standard in the New Testament is higher than that of the Old. "You have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Mt 5:27).
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post Oct 9 2019, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 9 2019, 02:18 PM)
Saved is by the blood of Christ, by faith. What's is faith? Faith is the ability to believe, given by God. By faith we can fulfill the commandment because Christ fulfilled it already.

You sounds like a non perfect Christian unless he's perfect in this life he's not saved. That's not justification by faith, that's perfectionism which we will never attain in this life, even great spiritual being still can sins. But since we are Christian we should be able to show good fruits or change in our life. But the good deeds does not justify us. It is because by faith through Christ we can have those good deeds aka fruits.
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Nope. Your position is not the same as UW's. UW is implying the 10 Commandments can be completely ignored because it comes under the OT.

And no again to your second part. A Christian's life in this world is a constant warfare. I don't deny there will be times when one will fall, but with grace, prayer and the sacraments, one can rise again. "Fight the good fight"
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post Oct 9 2019, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 02:19 PM)
You're not answering my question.

Why look to death?
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What do you mean look to death? The post above has answered you.

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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 9 2019, 02:11 PM)
So you are a Baptist eh?
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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 9 2019, 02:32 PM)
I'm not siding which one, I just state what it means by justification by faith, it is not like once you believed you can sin or still be saved, that should not be a Christian's attitude.

A roman Catholic can also be a calvinists? As I know many rc didn't read their bible
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I don't get your second question. What is the relationship between reading bible and being Calvinist?
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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 9 2019, 02:33 PM)
I'm a protestant Christian
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Of the Baptist flavour, I guess. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 9 2019, 02:52 PM)
Why don't you ask there is a reformation. Rc and protestant view of the doctrine is different. Eg. we don't pray to the St, we don't have pope etc..
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Of course I know that. One thing at a time. The topic at hand now are the 10 Commandments.
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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 9 2019, 02:53 PM)
When we discuss other non baptisms doctrine you will say I'm of Presbyterian.
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Because only Baptists or their variants insists on adult baptism only and not infant baptism, which other protestant groups accept.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 03:03 PM)
Why do still look to the law? That is my question.

There is no grace there and it's not occasion death my friend, it is a MINISTRY OF DEATH.

Yes Christ brought the law higher in book of Matthew. If nobody could really fulfill the OT law, what makes you think you're able to fulfill this higher law in OT?

Do you understand Romans 5:20?

Romans 5:20 (KV) -
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,

Why do you want to keep looking to the OT law that was design to increase offense? smile.gif
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What a perverse misinterpretation of St Paul that you have! Are you saying God is the cause of sin?

Not that the law was designed for that end; but the word that, as in many other places, so here expresses only the consequence that followed, when sinners occasionally became more guilty by the knowledge of the law, and the precepts given. Not as if the law were given purposely for sin to abound (that itself is a blasphemy against God the source of all goodness); but that it so happened, through man's perversity, taking occasion of sinning more, from the prohibition of sin. St Paul does not say that grace abounded in every place where iniquity had abounded; but he says indefinitely where, that is, in many places where sin abounded, grace hath abounded also.

If you read what was written above, Scripture has answered you. "I can do all these things in him who strengtheneth me".
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 03:12 PM)
No, that is not right, the full context = Fight the good fight of "FAITH".

Meaning keep on believing in what Christ did. That is the meaning of Christ saving us.

You are in essence purporting, one has to keep fighting to save himself.

It's either you save yourself or Christ save you, the title savior can only be on either one.

Not unless you're implying you and Christ are conferred the title of savior of man.

No right?
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That is erroneous. Christ is the saviour, and He grants us the initial grace, but subsequently we still have to cooperate. If it's only the mental assent of believing, even the demons believe.

If that's the case you are following Calvin's idea of predestination, without any cooperation from mankind.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 03:26 PM)
Erm, that is not what the scripture says.

It didn't say the sinner becomes more guilty, it says the the law entered in that the offense might abound.

Read it properly.
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That's what happens when one relies on one's own judgement and interpretation of Scripture, sola scriptura, each person interpreting Scripture to their own destruction. Again, if I follow your reasoning, other parts of Scripture will be contradicted.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 03:38 PM)
Where do you bank your hope in?

In Christ or in yourself? Or in both?
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In Christ of course. I'm still waiting to see how you harmonize your interpretations with the other verses.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 03:41 PM)
It's not my reasoning, it is scripture
New King James Version
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
It didn't say sinner is more aware of his sin. The word sinner is not there. but the word offense or transgress is there.

And you can tell me about own judgement and own interpretation of scripture? it's on you bro.
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To offend or to transgress is the same meaning as to sin. What are you trying to say?

One is not culpable of sin if one is ignorant of the law.

Again, I'm still waiting.

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Wow, so we have a new group of protestants that are anti-insurance. Interesting.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 03:52 PM)
You say in Christ of course but you use the phrase initial grace meaning Christ only give you starting grace, after that it's all on your own. Where is the hope after that? Seems to be geared towards ownself rather than on Christ.
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Did you read? If only initial grace, why pray and ask? Come on.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 04:03 PM)
Sorry don't understand your question.
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God grants the initial grace. We have to cooperate, and we have to ask for more graces. i.e. through prayer and the sacraments.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 03:55 PM)
As what it is...the law was brought in so that sin may abound.

What I'm trying to say? not me but scripture says the design of the law = to increase sin.

That's what it is, though it may sound contradictory to you, it doesn't to me.

That is precisely why I look to Christ and not to OT God's Law.
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So are you saying God is the cause of sin by giving the Law?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 04:11 PM)
No, God is telling you...you cannot measure up no matter how you try.

His Law will prove that to be right.
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So St Paul was wrong when he said "I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me" even if that means fulfilling the Law with the grace of God?

So don't need to fight the good fight of the faith. Just be lazy ya?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 9 2019, 04:33 PM)
Look at the context

Philippians 4:10-13
10 Now I rejoice greatly in the Lord that at last you have revived your concern for me. You were indeed concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11 I am not saying this out of need, for I have learned to be content regardless of my circumstances. 12 I know how to live humbly, and I know how to abound. I am accustomed to any and every situation—to being filled and being hungry, to having plenty and having need. 13 I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength.
Talking about the physicality challenges.

The whole point of the new covenant is to look away from the OT Law and look to Christ as the anchor point where there is Grace, no more the law.

Look, nobody in here is suggesting that you go ahead and sin. Just give it a rest, it's that part where people put words into my mouth not giving the chance to try to understand what I'm trying to explain.
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Physical challenges are indeed challenges. But even sin can be committed both physically or mentally. Are the apostles not humans too and can be tempted to sin?

If the 10 Commandments are to be forgotten, how does one know what right or wrong anymore? Or are you saying Christians don't sin at all after believing? This is where your position is problematic.

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QUOTE(Alan K. @ Oct 9 2019, 05:04 PM)
Oh yeah?!  Then how do you keep this one -----> £ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy £
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For Christians, it's Sunday.

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