QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 28 2020, 02:37 PM)
Firstly, No. nothing to what you are implying.
Yes God promise hope and future but doesn't mean there will not be trouble. Jesus clearly said we will have trouble as Christians in this world because till this day, the devil still seeking whom he may devour. If any Christians can be easily devoured, the devil don't have to seek, just easy picking anytime anyday. Hope you get me. It defeats the purpose to say hope is only for heaven. It's already heaven, what hope do you need there?
But fact remains, God uttered the word hope and future because there are people God has watched over that the devil find hard to devour.
I find that to say God is glorified wehn we are sick and dead to be troubling. No where do I find any verse supporting that. I think it's more accurate to say God is glorified when we suffer being persecuted for his name sake. That is blibical and supported by scripture. Death even but under persecution. That is legitimate as it is recorded. But no where do I find in scripture God glory in our sickness or death, that to me is just man's saying, never God.
So if there are Christians who live long, healthy and good life, do you deny God brought heaven on earth for those who are blessed? Now I'm not minimizing Christians who are suffering but can you take Christians who are suffering as the default theology over those that God blessed? Why do we not see and understand when God say..According to your Faith so it shall be? We are blessed or curse by the words of our own tongue. When one belives that God glory in our sickness, I'm afraid that is a curse brought upon ourselves and not by God.
If only I can bring in the example of the 12 spies sent to report on the promise land, what happened to them is basically an example for all of us. When we don't believe in what God says, it's to our own demise.
I'm not saying that God cannot bless His people.
Bible says the rain falls on the just and unjust. God's common grace is extended even to non-believers.
But not allowing suffering and pain is not consistent with the bible too. It is a given that we all grow old and sick and die.
1 Peter 1 says trials are proof of your faith, and is better than gold.
QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 28 2020, 08:25 PM)
I concur with unknown warrior.
Bible is a book of good news. Not sorrow struggles and sadness. Yes there are. But the overall theme is God has some great news for you.
Being Christian again is very difficult. Try fulfilling all words by God. It's very difficult. Choosing to be Christian doesn't promise a sweet life. Carrying the cross is difficult. Putting down oneself is difficult.
I believe in hope. What's life if there's no hope.
And indeed Jeremiah 29:11 states well God has good plans for everyone. But up to us to choose to lead the lives we want and ultimately the consequences of it.
I can't understand if one says hey read Jeremiah but it has nothing to do with you, it's just historical book, you know. Nothing personal here. After reading, you may move on to the next page. We may as well read civilization history books.
Bible isn't just any book. It has everything to do with you.
The bible is a book primarily of revelation of salvation and how God brought about the Messiah through the people of Israel.
It really is about Jesus more than anything.
If you read yourself as the hero of each story, you are going to end up in a lot of trouble. That's what most people are doing today.
I've heard of sermon preached where we are all Davids and all our life problems are Goliath, etc. I'm sure most of you heard of it too.
It takes the focus away from God.
That's why most people think of God as a universal genie that will grant them all health, wealth.