LYN Christian Fellowship Thread Ver 15
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 Oct 8 2020, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(Bibliophile @ Oct 8 2020, 03:18 PM) You too! We do exist. We've got a small but growing Russian Orthodox church in KL. Oh, you don’t have to be Russian to be in a Russian Orthodox Church? Are the masses conducted in Russian? Do you speak Russian? |
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Oct 8 2020, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Oct 8 2020, 04:05 PM) Oh,I’ve been to sib before.Is there a pastor tan tek seng there? |
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Oct 8 2020, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Oct 8 2020, 04:34 PM) dunno...nvm heard of him b4. I see.wait...let me gugle.... but my pastor, chew is in the picture, the green shirt guy https://christianitymalaysia.com/wp/family-...h-breakthrough/ I think heard his preaching maybe 8-9 years ago. Sermon was Something like be like an eagle, fly high and far. Sounds familiar to you? |
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Oct 10 2020, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2020, 02:30 PM) If it was binding to All creation, why does 99% of Christians fail to observe the Sabbath proper? Very important question.I’ll reply when I have enough time. |
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Oct 12 2020, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 10 2020, 02:30 PM) If it was binding to All creation, why does 99% of Christians fail to observe the Sabbath proper? I assume your question is why don’t we keep the Jewish sabbath on a Saturday now?Simply put, the Sabbath of the OT has been replaced by the Lord’s day in the New Testament. It was only mentioned once in Revelations: QUOTE “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,” Revelation 1:10 NKJV https://www.bible.com/114/rev.1.10.nkjv It’s a technical term that only appears once in NT. The sabbath rest is called a shadow in Col. and Heb. (IIANM), pointing to the ultimate fulfilment of rest in Jesus Christ. The apostles always gathered ‘on the first day’ of the week in scriptures. There was barely any contention whether the Lord’s day is on Sunday in the first couple of hundred years of Christianity. It just was, and I believe rightfully so. |
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Oct 13 2020, 06:39 AM
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I just want to interrupt a bit here, seeing that Hebrews keep getting thrown around to prove a point without a proper context to the verse, especially in Hebrews 6.
QUOTE “Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.” Hebrews 6:1-6 NKJV https://www.bible.com/114/heb.6.1-6.nkjv The bolded part has again and again been used to prove to say real Christians can lose their salvation, but failed to see the whole context of the argument, and even the whole book of Hebrews. The argument actually started from chapter 5: QUOTE “For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” Hebrews 5:12-14 NKJV https://www.bible.com/114/heb.5.12-14.nkjv I’m going to paraphrase and put my commentary in the arguments, and see if you can make sense of what it is trying to say. Since the Jews have first received the scriptures, they should already be experts and teacher. But they are still immature. (The laws point to the messiah) (Therefore,) he calls the Jews to leave the discussions and shadows of the messiah and come to the Messiah (Jesus), don’t go back to the old ways of dead works, of (ceremonial) washings, of laying of hands (on goats and rams) If they( the Jews) have experienced God and His word in the midst of them, and still rejected Him, there can’t be any possible salvation for them. (Fallen away is used only here in NT, and in the same way as apostasy) (And they stand with those who crucified Christ, )and they agreed that Jesus is a liar and should be crucified, and put him to an open shame. This is how a Jew would read Hebrews. It is after all, a letter to the Hebrews. Every Christian writer in history affirms that. |
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Oct 13 2020, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 13 2020, 07:22 AM) If you do a study of the resurrection week, using the Lord's festivals in Leviticus, you will come up with a Wed 3pm death of the Lord and the resurrection on the evening of Saturday. Pentecost was 50 days later, the beginning of the Church, also a Sunday. Am I missing something?  QUOTE “Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.” Matthew 28:1 NASB https://www.bible.com/100/mat.28.1.nasb |
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Oct 15 2020, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(Doggystyle @ Oct 15 2020, 11:16 AM) Forgot if Sam Harris actually said this in one of his interviews of atheism vs faith or some guy attribute it to him, so this is more like me paraphrase twice. The context is that, if some evil guy is about to pull the trigger on a good/holy man and God doesnt stop the bad guy, then God doesnt, or may as well dont exist. I suppose this was a good argument to unbelievers or a child. 1) The only person that was sinless, who did not deserved death, was Jesus. But God put Him on the cross in place for sinners who deserved death. God displays His grace, glory and mercy even in the darkest of times.I dont have a sweet answer to why WW2 and Hitler happened too, and I dont think anyone has as well. But just as a filter....if God has to do moral policing every moment a crime is about to happened....then do we still have free will or not? The creator owes nothing to the creation. There is no moral obligation to God to save anyone. 2) God created men with free will, but the will of men is enslaved by sin. Only by Work of regeneration by the Holy Spirit can man come to God. |
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Oct 16 2020, 06:04 AM
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QUOTE(Bibliophile @ Oct 13 2020, 02:09 PM) Foreknowledge. God knows I like ice cream, and if I go to Family Mart, I’ll probably order one. But He does not compel to order it. I’m not a robot. I can choose to order the ice cream, or not. That’s not God, that the little dessert devil in you trying to make you fat Predestination, especially double predestination, has been condemned in the Confession of Dositheus. https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxbrid...dositheus-1673/  |
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Oct 22 2020, 04:51 AM
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QUOTE(cicakopi @ Oct 22 2020, 12:17 AM) Hello, Don’t get caught up in the never ending debate of which translation is better. All translations have their pros and cons.Protestant here. Recently i've been reading a lot of NIV and RSV because it's easier for me. I browse around in 4chan's version of christian general. Some discussed pic below saying how the new simplified versions removed alot of significant verses for the bible readers. I checked it up and alot of them are true. What are your opinions on this?    Most English translation (NIV, ESV, NASB) used the critical text/Alexandrian script while the KJV used the majority text/Byzantine script as the base script. One appeals to mathematics (some scholars think that earliest scripts have less corruption) and the other appeals to tradition (some scholars think that manuscripts from one region preserves better than the other) Take John14 as an example. Is the Holy Spirit a helper or a comforter? The original Greek word here is Parakletos, usually meant helper, when translated to Latin, it is cum-forte, which meant the one who gives you strength, and came the KJV translators and it became comforter. Comforter today probably has a different meaning 500 years ago. It is important to go back to the Greek if you can. But you are right in saying always stick to the word for word translation. But I would avoid NIV, it is more thought for thought than formal equivalent than the rest. Avoid the Message, The passion versions. Those are outright heretical. |
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Oct 22 2020, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(cicakopi @ Oct 22 2020, 10:58 AM) Thanks for the replies, why do you say to avoid the message and the passion verses? Personally I find them very meaningful and has a deeper understanding concerning God.  Have a look at a basic word count comparing The Passion with the rest of the translations. They are trying to promote a mystical Christianity, dominion type of heretical teaching. The translation is too far from the original meaning. |
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Oct 27 2020, 06:00 AM
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QUOTE(emaslong @ Oct 25 2020, 12:09 PM) any thought about church membership? why some churches have church membership? to keep people? I don't see in the NT there's such thing call church membership. As I know the church is a gathered people of Jesus's believer, that's all. One of the main reason there are memberships in some churches because of accountability of church members.In matters like elder elections, we need communicant members to actually vote. If an elder had a questionable past, any member can bring this up during the election for consideration. The other reason is church discipline. If a member is caught in sin, the church has the responsibility to call the member to repent from his/her sin and be reconciled to God. But unlike Catholicism, we don’t say the elders of the church is the authority, after all, Jesus is the only head of the church. The church’s authority is ministerial. and limited by scriptures. Hope this helps  Edit: Just like to add, members also vote to approve fundings for mission work, etc. Everything is done properly so we don’t end up funding the church pastor’s wife’s singing career. This post has been edited by thomasthai: Oct 27 2020, 06:26 AM |
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Oct 27 2020, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 27 2020, 06:29 PM) Because unlike different Protestant groups, Catholics believe authority is given by Jesus to His apostles, who then continued delegating that authority to other men to sanctify, preach, and to govern UNTIL THE END OF TIME, and not just stop at the death of the last apostle. Hi yeeck,Sorry if you feel offended, none were meant. It’s just to distinguish the differences that we have, not trying to offend Catholics. By the way, the first time a bishop in an ancient church claimed to have authority (papacy) passed down from Peter was Stephanus 1, bishop of Rome in around 250AD. So from 100AD to 250AD, there wasn’t any office of papacy in historical record. The other bishops in the east (constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch) never entertained his claims. Nothing was mentioned in the first ecumenical council on the papacy. This is one of the reasons the eastern church broke off from Rome later. Rome claimed many things, but there are just very little data to support their claims. This post has been edited by thomasthai: Oct 27 2020, 09:16 PM |
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Oct 28 2020, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 28 2020, 11:45 AM) Hi thomasthai, it's not as simple as that. FYI, the bishopric of Constantinople did not even exist until the imperial capital was moved there (AD 330). The three main apostolic sees of the early Church (i.e. the See of Antioch, the See of Alexandria, and the See of Rome) were directly related to Peter. Prior to becoming Bishop of Rome where he was finally martyred, Peter was Bishop of Antioch. Additionally, his disciple Mark founded the church in Alexandria. Yes, there are writings of a lineage of successive bishops from Peter, but still, that is no indication that it was a successive Papal office that Rome claims today being passed down.The early church fathers Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and others certainly did mention the pre-eminence of Peter based on the keys given to him by Christ. It isn’t there even in the pastoral letters ( Timothy, Titus) where Paul gave instructions on the office of bishops/episcopal/presbuteros/deacons. Regarding the exegesis of Matthew 16: QUOTE “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18-19 NKJV https://www.bible.com/114/mat.16.18-19.nkjv Peter in Greek is Petros, a small stone. But Jesus says He will build the Church on this Petra (big boulder). Jesus is doing a word play on Small stone/rock, that even the Church built on humble little stones is strong as big stones, and won’t be overcome by Satan, a promise that His Church will never fail. Jesus wasn’t electing Peter as the head. Jesus himself is the head. This post has been edited by thomasthai: Oct 28 2020, 12:32 PM |
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Oct 28 2020, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(sickjoker @ Oct 27 2020, 04:05 PM) Just curious. It is not my view point, it is a principle adopted by the churches exegetically from scriptures.Where in scripture supports your view point. I am a member of the Malaysian and Australian Presbyterian Assembly, and I believe principally they are the same globally. QUOTE ““Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”” Matthew 18:15-20 NKJV https://www.bible.com/114/mat.18.15-20.nkjv The gist of this text is basically, if a church brother sins, the church body has to go and call him to repentance, and if he repents, and the congregation accepts his repentance, so God will honour and agree with the church body and forgive him too. The church ministers judgement based on scriptures, it doesn’t make its own judgement. This is the reformed principal of ministerial and declarative authority. |
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Oct 29 2020, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 28 2020, 04:08 PM) This petros vs petra argument has been answered by apologists elsewhere based on Greek vs Aramaic (the language spoken by Christ). You also need to consider who got the keys and who was the head of the apostles as described in Acts. Also, consider the implications when God changed the name of someone in Scripture(in this case Simon to Cephas (Peter)). Recall that he did the same for Abram (to Abraham), Sarai (to Sarah), Jacob (to Israel). The name change itself is a clue as to what role God intends them to have and not just an afterthought, for God does not have afterthoughts. If you compare Matthew 16 and 18, Jesus basically gave the authority to bind and loose sin to any Christian body who is in him.The keys are not only given to Peter. Anyway thanks for your sharing |
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Oct 29 2020, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(sickjoker @ Oct 28 2020, 10:18 PM) ok ok. You again.I have sent you a pm. How many dupes do you have?  You want to insult me, abuse me, do it here. Don’t be a coward. This post has been edited by thomasthai: Oct 29 2020, 10:49 AM |
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Oct 29 2020, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(mubtadi @ Oct 28 2020, 10:42 PM) I scrolled the previous pages, 112 and there are some brothers post regarding angel, and perhaps it may help me studying the comparison between the two holy books, bible and quran, regarding angel, hellfire and paradise mentioned in the scriptures Hi friend.What does the Quran say about angels? |
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Oct 29 2020, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(gashout @ Oct 29 2020, 12:20 PM) Oh no. What did he do? It’s been going on for years. Don’t worry bout it.Online bullying isn't nice. His nick explains it all. |
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Oct 29 2020, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 29 2020, 04:56 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE ““Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”” Matthew 18:15-20 NKJV https://www.bible.com/114/mat.18.15-20.nkjv - If a brother sins, go tell him to repent. - if he doesn’t, bring 2 or3 witness (Old Testament law of witness) - if still doesn’t, tell the church, and the church can decide that he is bound in sin (like a heathen or tax collector) - by the testimony of 2 - 3 witness, if they decide that the brother is bound in sin, heaven will be in accord with them. - if the brother repents, and they decide that he is loosed from his sin, heaven will also be in accord. - Jesus will honour the testimony of the witnesses. That’s what the text says,no? |
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