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TSLUSINGH
post Aug 25 2019, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(toos99 @ Aug 25 2019, 09:06 AM)
I’ve no idea whether banks are racist or not. But I always wonder the race column in all their forms. Assuming I’m applying for a CC or PL where there isn’t a bumi discount.

Do they use that for statistics? End of the year PowerPoint to show how much Chinese has borrowed? Malay and Indian. How many did not pay back or took longer? Then that’s racism of some kind for sure. Subtle one.

Point is, they must be using that data for something.
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Yes, this post has a valid point. They must be using that data for something.
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post Aug 26 2019, 07:39 AM

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Please dont spin a business decision into a racial one. Are you upset that you are not able to get a loan? Work harder then. I doubt bank would reject you if your income is strong.
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QUOTE(EddieBrock @ Aug 26 2019, 07:39 AM)
Please dont spin a business decision into a racial one. Are you upset that you are not able to get a loan? Work harder then. I doubt bank would reject you if your income is strong.
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This.

Keep thinking what organizations are doing collecting racial profile data? U think they have hidden agenda? Think again....

Marketing products better la. How to sell ads for loans for chinese better? Use chinese language and products that they will usually apply for -> based on data, maybe they click through more for vacation ads?

Malay community are easier to persuade with BM ads. And maybe they are likely to click on ads targeted during raya that talk about furniture and baju raya


Keep your mind out of the gutter. If you think it's a racist thing, you're just making lazy assumptions all the time and just give up on improving your own capabilities. The profiling is INDIVIDUAL BASED at the end of the day. your own full record of CCRIS, current and past loans are taken into account.
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QUOTE(LUSINGH @ Aug 16 2019, 06:08 PM)
Local banks in Malaysia are racist. Is it true or false?

Few months ago, I still remembered I met a property consultant and were talking about house projects to buy.

While talking about income, DSR, and others related things, he said to me that within each bank there's a thing called, "Profiling".

What he meant by Profiling is that each applicant is been categorized with score to pass the house loan.

Example of Profiling:
Age: Teenager? Adult? Senior citizen?
Working: MNC? Normal Sdn Bhd? Enterprise?
Salary: Above 3k? Above 5k? Above 8k?
And bla bla bla etc etc...

The most important: Race/Bangsa: Melayu? Tamil? Cina? Lain-lain? Etc.

I meant very strictly here I don't mean any racist post and I do not want to see anyone simply commenting racially.

So,
1) The property agent told that if bangsa Cina then it's very much likely to approve the loan because the data in BNM shows people from Cina race are good paymaster and don't delay their commitment.

2) And, bank will consider more points when it comes to Tamil race. Abit tighter application than Bangsa Cina.

3) Melayu race is one of the most strict to go through screening and taking many things into consideration because the data shows people from Melayu race are default in loan payment or don't service the loan in time.

4) So, when it's comes to lain-lain race then the bank will only look into after looking into the main 3 races. As I'm Punjabi, so I will fall myself into Lain-Lain/other race which is in bracket (Punjabi).

Please guts, no racist or racial attack comment. MOD please pay attention on this thread.

My question how true is it the local bank practice such Profiling??? Or anyone go through such experience with bank?
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I've got bad news for you. EVERY business does it, and it's not wrong. You profile your customers so you can better do business with them. The only difference is how much sciences and maths is put into profiling.
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post Aug 27 2019, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(toos99 @ Aug 25 2019, 09:06 AM)
I’ve no idea whether banks are racist or not. But I always wonder the race column in all their forms. Assuming I’m applying for a CC or PL where there isn’t a bumi discount.

Do they use that for statistics? End of the year PowerPoint to show how much Chinese has borrowed? Malay and Indian. How many did not pay back or took longer? Then that’s racism of some kind for sure. Subtle one.

Point is, they must be using that data for something.
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Typically the fields exist in forms for no reason other than "that's the template we received" because someone maybe 20-30 years ago put the field in there, and no one has bothered changing the forms. You'd be surprised how many times I've fudged up the "Race" or "Annual Income" field on purpose like putting "NOYB" (none of your business). No one bats an eye and I'm never questioned.

That aside, those data are typically used for business intelligence, e.g. which income group is more likely to default, what level of interest rates can be applied at what loan range, etc etc. Even if it is race based, it's empirical, it's not racist to point out certain group to have certain spending habits if it's factual.
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post Aug 29 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Aug 27 2019, 12:45 AM)
Typically the fields exist in forms for no reason other than "that's the template we received" because someone maybe 20-30 years ago put the field in there, and no one has bothered changing the forms. You'd be surprised how many times I've fudged up the "Race" or "Annual Income" field on purpose like putting "NOYB" (none of your business). No one bats an eye and I'm never questioned.

That aside, those data are typically used for business intelligence, e.g. which income group is more likely to default, what level of interest rates can be applied at what loan range, etc etc. Even if it is race based, it's empirical, it's not racist to point out certain group to have certain spending habits if it's factual.
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This is a good one.

Next time, I would fill up those column with NOYB

I should try myself fill up AEON Credit form next month, and write Bangsa as MALAYSIAN. See what would be their reaction or they will just buat bodoh.


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post Aug 29 2019, 02:52 PM

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Yes, its true. Not only local banks but also foreign banks incorporated in Malaysia do this profiling. But I don't think all the banks in Malaysia do it this way. My friend entered a customer profile for preliminary approval into the system and the result was loan rejected. Changed the race and then automatically approved. So yes, race is used as a factor to profile potential clients. Which is probably why certain banks reject my credit card applications while others can give me 6 figure credit limits. Profiling based on race is racist, period. It doesn't matter what the weightage assigned to race is. Its just plain racist coz it means that good paymasters and people with better credit management get lower credit scores based on race while someone else gets higher score based on race although they are not as financially strong.
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Signed ICERD? Else the banks did nothing wrong at all
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apa salahan bank? i see many melei, cainis, indiannn driving luxury cars.

TS your heart like glass kah? so easy shattered
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post Sep 1 2019, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(hz428 @ Aug 30 2019, 02:50 PM)
apa salahan bank? i see many melei, cainis, indiannn driving luxury cars.

TS your heart like glass kah? so easy shattered
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post Sep 1 2019, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(gobiomani @ Aug 29 2019, 02:52 PM)
Yes, its true. Not only local banks but also foreign banks incorporated in Malaysia do this profiling. But I don't think all the banks in Malaysia do it this way. My friend entered a customer profile for preliminary approval into the system and the result was loan rejected. Changed the race and then automatically approved. So yes, race is used as a factor to profile potential clients. Which is probably why certain banks reject my credit card applications while others can give me 6 figure credit limits. Profiling based on race is racist, period. It doesn't matter what the weightage assigned to race is. Its just plain racist coz it means that good paymasters and people with better credit management get lower credit scores based on race while someone else gets higher score based on race although they are not as financially strong.
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Profiling based on race is racist, period. It doesn't matter what the weightage assigned to race is. Its just plain racist coz it means that good paymasters and people with better credit management get lower credit scores based on race while someone else gets higher score based on race although they are not as financially strong.

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Bank yg mane satu hang sebut tuh 😂
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QUOTE(LUSINGH @ Sep 1 2019, 01:56 PM)
Profiling based on race is racist, period. It doesn't matter what the weightage assigned to race is. Its just plain racist coz it means that good paymasters and people with better credit management get lower credit scores based on race while someone else gets higher score based on race although they are not as financially strong.

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This is malaysia .


Get real.

Ever heard of 'bumiputera only'?

What do you mean racist? Thats the way it is.

Go find some other banks. Dont worry about things that you cannot control. Work on things that you can change.
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post Sep 2 2019, 05:37 AM

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QUOTE(csbong87 @ Sep 1 2019, 01:58 PM)
Bank yg mane satu hang sebut tuh 😂
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Generally local banks
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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 1 2019, 08:18 PM)
This is malaysia .
Get real.

Ever heard of 'bumiputera only'?

What do you mean racist? Thats the way it is.

Go find some other banks. Dont worry about things that you cannot control. Work on things that you can change.
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Afraid of most of banks have such thing.

Yes get real. I'm.
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If they judge base on race..yeah racist

But they also factor in all such as age, income, gender, commitments etc, then thats just profiling.
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Not racist, that's just one of the many factors.

I'd say it's only racist if they ONLY use race/religion as the sole indicator without factoring in other criteria. What's more important is the financial background of the customer.

fuck why did I necro this old thread.. soli2

This post has been edited by amir.asyraf: Dec 23 2021, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(LUSINGH @ Aug 16 2019, 06:08 PM)
Local banks in Malaysia are racist. Is it true or false?

Few months ago, I still remembered I met a property consultant and were talking about house projects to buy.

While talking about income, DSR, and others related things, he said to me that within each bank there's a thing called, "Profiling".

What he meant by Profiling is that each applicant is been categorized with score to pass the house loan.

Example of Profiling:
Age: Teenager? Adult? Senior citizen?
Working: MNC? Normal Sdn Bhd? Enterprise?
Salary: Above 3k? Above 5k? Above 8k?
And bla bla bla etc etc...

The most important: Race/Bangsa: Melayu? Tamil? Cina? Lain-lain? Etc.

I meant very strictly here I don't mean any racist post and I do not want to see anyone simply commenting racially.

So,
1) The property agent told that if bangsa Cina then it's very much likely to approve the loan because the data in BNM shows people from Cina race are good paymaster and don't delay their commitment.

2) And, bank will consider more points when it comes to Tamil race. Abit tighter application than Bangsa Cina.

3) Melayu race is one of the most strict to go through screening and taking many things into consideration because the data shows people from Melayu race are default in loan payment or don't service the loan in time.

4) So, when it's comes to lain-lain race then the bank will only look into after looking into the main 3 races. As I'm Punjabi, so I will fall myself into Lain-Lain/other race which is in bracket (Punjabi).

Please guts, no racist or racial attack comment. MOD please pay attention on this thread.

My question how true is it the local bank practice such Profiling??? Or anyone go through such experience with bank?
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Any issue? It's common for risk profiling.

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QUOTE(LUSINGH @ Aug 16 2019, 06:08 PM)
Local banks in Malaysia are racist. Is it true or false?

Few months ago, I still remembered I met a property consultant and were talking about house projects to buy.

While talking about income, DSR, and others related things, he said to me that within each bank there's a thing called, "Profiling".

What he meant by Profiling is that each applicant is been categorized with score to pass the house loan.

Example of Profiling:
Age: Teenager? Adult? Senior citizen?
Working: MNC? Normal Sdn Bhd? Enterprise?
Salary: Above 3k? Above 5k? Above 8k?
And bla bla bla etc etc...

The most important: Race/Bangsa: Melayu? Tamil? Cina? Lain-lain? Etc.

I meant very strictly here I don't mean any racist post and I do not want to see anyone simply commenting racially.

So,
1) The property agent told that if bangsa Cina then it's very much likely to approve the loan because the data in BNM shows people from Cina race are good paymaster and don't delay their commitment.

2) And, bank will consider more points when it comes to Tamil race. Abit tighter application than Bangsa Cina.

3) Melayu race is one of the most strict to go through screening and taking many things into consideration because the data shows people from Melayu race are default in loan payment or don't service the loan in time.

4) So, when it's comes to lain-lain race then the bank will only look into after looking into the main 3 races. As I'm Punjabi, so I will fall myself into Lain-Lain/other race which is in bracket (Punjabi).

Please guts, no racist or racial attack comment. MOD please pay attention on this thread.

My question how true is it the local bank practice such Profiling??? Or anyone go through such experience with bank?
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i am not cina.
but i never got problem with loan

all u need to do as human,
pay ur loan on time and keep good track record regardless ur bangsa




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