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 Banks are racist in Malaysia, Any experience?

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hyperbelt7
post Aug 18 2019, 11:22 PM

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My experience is that it's based on money lol. Me and my parents go to the same bank. My service is so so...

omg when I was with my parents once, I finally understand why they said that bank service so good
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post Aug 19 2019, 06:46 AM

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There's no tamil race.. Only Indian.. Why did you put others?
Your mind is running wild.. Bank is only interested in your ur income not race..
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post Aug 19 2019, 07:59 AM

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Bank is not doing charity lol.
They are doing a very risky business where people can just balik kampung near ulu ulu area and never be seen again.
I heard some mentioned last time about defaulting car loan and steps to hide the car in kampung.

So bank need the data to analyze the risk.
Imagine someone from Kampung XYZ far far away from city applying loan and not having proper employment. No history of financial data.
You want to give out loan?

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post Aug 19 2019, 08:11 AM

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If you bought a property in good enough area and your credit score is good, then why should the banks reject you. Your property is already collateral.

But if you buy a property is a shitty area to people without any credit score or poor credit score, then definitely the loan will be rejected regardless of race.

Banks are running a business so I don't think its a race thing.


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post Aug 19 2019, 08:42 AM

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Doubt its true

Im malay

I have 7 home loans, zero rejections

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post Aug 19 2019, 08:52 AM

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haha when comes to own skin semua mau back up saying not racist
of course its RACIST la to categorize ppl according to races, associating certain behavior to certain race is RACIST
judging people's ability to do work or pay loan according to race is RACIST
profiling is racist
risk management konon. knnccb
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post Aug 19 2019, 10:55 AM

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banks are running a business after all


banks base alot of decisions based on risk, so if historical data shows a certain group / ethnic has higher rates of default, of course they will be more stringent to that group / ethnic la.. common sense

its not about racist

simple test; name 5 friends you would lend money to. (Im pretty sure the 1st thing you will think is their ability to repay back, their job, their stablity - not their race)

guna lah otak sikit
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post Aug 19 2019, 11:42 AM

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once, i got this part time job...
doing surveys....

I am given a few scenarios at a few banks (same brand, different branches)

Ask about credit card, ask about personal loan, ask about their financing etc.

Requirements, i need to go to assigned banks, get the name card of the officer etc. play out the scenario for that branch and then fill out the survey form.

basically the Manager/customer relations doesnt know which customer is their secret shopper. im basically an undercover customer.

i dont know if they do profiling or not. Most of the banks i go is OK, except one branch.

I think doing profiling is OK. its data driven for the bank. but dont show it to ur potential customers. Service them the same.
Smile, tend to them similarly, whatever profiling the customer fall into.

The bad experience i got from this one branch:
Im a malay.
when my turn comes, look at me with one eye, seems not interested.
i asked my questions (scripted questions) about the financial product.
not really helping much. so lansi.
ask me to read the brochure.
then i choose a product, she said owh, this one need EPF certain amount of money.
She said that in a manner that looks down on me.
She doesnt know i make maybe triple her salary. Or at least double.

So reluctantly she bring me to the KWSP machine, got my epf thing printed out and said OK, with surprised eyes that im eligible.

I asked questions i needed to ask for the secret shopper section and went back.
She really answer half heartedly.

the other branches i went to, they are some lower ranking officials, and some same level with this lady. i dont understand why u act this way when u are supposed to be the one acting nice to customers.

Bank name is withheld.




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post Aug 19 2019, 03:28 PM

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Yes, it happens. But not all banks. I'd suggest if you found that kind of banks, just walk away.
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post Aug 19 2019, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(quebix @ Aug 19 2019, 11:42 AM)
once, i got this part time job...
doing surveys....

I am given a few scenarios at a few banks (same brand, different branches)

Ask about credit card, ask about personal loan, ask about their financing etc.

Requirements, i need to go to assigned banks, get the name card of the officer etc. play out the scenario for that branch and then fill out the survey form.

basically the Manager/customer relations doesnt know which customer is their secret shopper. im basically an undercover customer.

i dont know if they do profiling or not. Most of the banks i go is OK, except one branch.

I think doing profiling is OK. its data driven for the bank. but dont show it to ur potential customers. Service them the same.
Smile, tend to them similarly, whatever profiling the customer fall into.

The bad experience i got from this one branch:
Im a malay.
when my turn comes, look at me with one eye, seems not interested.
i asked my questions (scripted questions) about the financial product.
not really helping much. so lansi.
ask me to read the brochure.
then i choose a product, she said owh, this one need EPF certain amount of money.
She said that in a manner that looks down on me.
She doesnt know i make maybe triple her salary. Or at least double.

So reluctantly she bring me to the KWSP machine, got my epf thing printed out and said OK, with surprised eyes that im eligible.

I asked questions i needed to ask for the secret shopper section and went back.
She really answer half heartedly.

the other branches i went to, they are some lower ranking officials, and some same level with this lady. i dont understand why u act this way when u are supposed to be the one acting nice to customers.

Bank name is withheld.
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Wow what a nice part time job u have... How to apply tho. Wanna do the same thing in small2 town in n9
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post Aug 19 2019, 06:02 PM

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4 years ago i work in Nonperforming loan in Blue bank (Local). More than 60% of the defaulter is master race
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post Aug 19 2019, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(LUSINGH @ Aug 16 2019, 06:08 PM)
Local banks in Malaysia are racist. Is it true or false?

Few months ago, I still remembered I met a property consultant and were talking about house projects to buy.

While talking about income, DSR, and others related things, he said to me that within each bank there's a thing called, "Profiling".

What he meant by Profiling is that each applicant is been categorized with score to pass the house loan.

Example of Profiling:
Age: Teenager? Adult? Senior citizen?
Working: MNC? Normal Sdn Bhd? Enterprise?
Salary: Above 3k? Above 5k? Above 8k?
And bla bla bla etc etc...

The most important: Race/Bangsa: Melayu? Tamil? Cina? Lain-lain? Etc.

I meant very strictly here I don't mean any racist post and I do not want to see anyone simply commenting racially.

So,
1) The property agent told that if bangsa Cina then it's very much likely to approve the loan because the data in BNM shows people from Cina race are good paymaster and don't delay their commitment.

2) And, bank will consider more points when it comes to Tamil race. Abit tighter application than Bangsa Cina.

3) Melayu race is one of the most strict to go through screening and taking many things into consideration because the data shows people from Melayu race are default in loan payment or don't service the loan in time.

4) So, when it's comes to lain-lain race then the bank will only look into after looking into the main 3 races. As I'm Punjabi, so I will fall myself into Lain-Lain/other race which is in bracket (Punjabi).

Please guts, no racist or racial attack comment. MOD please pay attention on this thread.

My question how true is it the local bank practice such Profiling??? Or anyone go through such experience with bank?
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You talked about not wanting this to be a racist post, and yet here you are making a post based solely on ONE property agent's assertion who's trying to earn your business.
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post Aug 19 2019, 06:53 PM

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I last time worked in a bank la.....those officers doing review see numbers more than names and race la.....what banks see is numbers only

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post Aug 19 2019, 07:19 PM

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banks evaluate base on numbers, individuals evaluate based on race

the thing is the numbers are relatively problematic in some demographics of society

which comes up as an issue with initial evaluation and getting things done
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Evaluation based on ur money only..lol
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post Aug 19 2019, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(PulseAngel @ Aug 19 2019, 06:02 PM)
4 years ago i work in Nonperforming loan in Blue bank (Local). More than 60% of the defaulter is master race
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Now yr beong racist here, blue bank dont have much other race customer to begin with.....
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post Aug 21 2019, 03:29 AM

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I did not try to ‘pusingh’ as someone said, nor am I trying to provoke anything.

I only knew about basic profiling thing, however still nobody can justify whether it is true or false.

I asked my uncle who works in one BNM Department regarding this, he told it just pure BULLSHIT.

I will grill the property agent when I meet him.
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post Aug 21 2019, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(LUSINGH @ Aug 21 2019, 03:29 AM)
I did not try to ‘pusingh’ as someone said, nor am I trying to provoke anything.

I only knew about basic profiling thing, however still nobody can justify whether it is true or false.

I asked my uncle who works in one BNM Department regarding this, he told it just pure BULLSHIT.

I will grill the property agent when I meet him.
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how can you unsure about this?

like, if there is very rich and reliable Malay paymaster and the bank is going to say no? because they are racist evils?

and a chinese with horrible credit score, they going to say yes? because it is their kind? who care if they default right? it is the shareholder problem, not my problem?

banks exist to make chinese life easier right? and there never any controversy after 60 years, sounds legit to you?
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post Aug 21 2019, 11:21 AM

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I don't think the banks are racist. This is a very common risk management profiling. Based on trend, history, experience.

Same goes to doing commercial business. Chinese are always being labeled as greedy and will squeeze every single cents from you. That's also based on history and experience from the majority.

Who would risk your own business to losing money. So it is not about racist or whatsoever. It is risk management...
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post Aug 21 2019, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(lotter92 @ Aug 16 2019, 07:00 PM)
I'm bumi and wonder if this is the reason why my housing loan application was very hard to get approved, despite of my good DSR and clean CCRIS record. Applied to 3 banks, only 1 approved (although only 80%), only able to get 90% if joint name with my wife. SMH
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i think u can try different banks, i heard before some banks are strict

maybank seems okay....

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