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post Jul 11 2019, 03:25 PM, updated 2y ago

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Malaysian Customs Dept helmet regulation

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The Malaysian Customs Dept may confiscate your helmet at points of entry.
It is to stop non-regulated helmets entering the country and made available for sale.

Firstly, the Customs Dept. recommends that Malaysians leaving the country with a helmet or two to declare the items. We may do so at the Customs office at points of disembarkation.

That’s because we may have a hard time convincing the officers that it was our personal helmet(s) that we brought overseas in the first place. We’ll have to pay a Customs Duty if we couldn’t convince them otherwise.

Secondly, for Malaysians, if we are question regarding a helmet in a box, it needs to comply with the said regulations, even if it’s for personal use. For example, it’s a DOT certified helmet with no other certifications. It will be confiscated if you did not seek prior permit from JPJ. (Due to suspicion of importing it for sale.)

Thirdly, if you are a foreigner travelling to Malaysia with a helmet that doesn’t meet those regulations, make sure it is for personal use. If you bring one together with a box, you may have it detained while seeking approval from JPJ or confiscated outright.

So please bear these points in mind lest you have your MotoGP star autographed helmet end up in the bin at the airport.

These steps by the ministries involved have been a long time coming, since many irresponsible parties have been illegally importing helmets that do not meet Malaysian safety regulations.

Most likely to prevent incidences such as below. hmm.gif
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But I've also seen several approval stickers too. (SIRIM & JPJ)
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post Jul 11 2019, 03:30 PM

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isn't this rules has been there since long time?

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post Jul 11 2019, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 11 2019, 03:30 PM)
isn't this rules has been there since long time?
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Dulu I think ada orang bawak balik hand carry tapi lepas. whistling.gif
Now with this bunting at the airport, means no more chance ler... icon_question.gif
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post Jul 11 2019, 04:12 PM

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not sure when the photo was taken.
is it recent or old. nobody care to clarify, when ministry of superbike first post it.
all those other media follow spread it.

some like pau tarn tried to contact kastam n jpj but hvnt got a respond.

this rule of jpj approving helmet is like few years old oredi.

if you search lyn u will find a post by a member who explained how he go jpj to get the approval done.
even jpj website hv tht form, and it was removed some time ago, but i managed to keep a copy.

it was no longer go miti to get permit like last time.

the importer of arai in msia.. kcl? wht wht, sent samples of arai helmet to sirim to get tested. thts y some? official arai msia helmet got sirim sticker.

if made in msia helmet. will need to have sirim sticker.

imported helmet tht hv tht ece 2.2.
jz need to get jpj approval, n get tht sticker to legally sell here.

but then if u search fb etc.. there r tons of online seller selling helmet.. dono made where, got no jpj or ece approved.
yet they still can import (under table)/kopi...
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post Jul 11 2019, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jul 11 2019, 04:10 PM)
Dulu I think ada orang bawak balik hand carry tapi lepas.  whistling.gif
Now with this bunting at the airport, means no more chance ler...  icon_question.gif
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now the question is

will jpj approve like last time for own collection?

or langsung tarak approve at all.. no deal liao..

thts d main issue now...
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post Jul 11 2019, 04:21 PM

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c like tis.. mana ada jpj / ece punya....?

still can masuk so many helmet..

but in kb.. near siam so u noe lar.. apa apa bleh kautim senang?

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 11 2019, 04:14 PM)
now the question is

will jpj approve like last time for own collection?

or langsung tarak approve at all.. no deal liao..

thts d main issue now...
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Klu baca dr online, as long as no permit, x blh.
Sbb helmet hand carry x de safety certification. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 11 2019, 04:12 PM)
not sure when the photo was taken.
is it recent or old. nobody care to clarify, when ministry of superbike first post it.

all those other media follow spread it.

some like pau tarn tried to contact kastam n jpj but hvnt got a respond.

this rule of jpj approving helmet is like few years old oredi.

if you search lyn u will find a post by a member who explained how he go jpj to get the approval done.
even jpj website hv tht form, and it was removed some time ago, but i managed to keep a copy.

it was no longer go miti to get permit like last time.

the importer of arai in msia.. kcl? wht wht, sent samples of arai helmet to sirim to get tested. thts y some? official arai msia helmet got sirim sticker.

if made in msia helmet. will need to have sirim sticker.

imported helmet tht hv tht ece 2.2.
jz need to get jpj approval, n get tht sticker to legally sell here.

but then if u search fb etc.. there r tons of online seller selling helmet.. dono made where, got no jpj or ece approved.
yet they still can import (under table)/kopi...
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According to most automotive bloggers, 2 days ago.
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post Jul 11 2019, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jul 11 2019, 04:54 PM)
Klu baca dr online, as long as no permit, x blh.
Sbb helmet hand carry x de safety certification.  hmm.gif
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the normal flow chart is..

buy - rampas - apply@ jpj - claim frm kastam.

tht is for personal la..

ppl don apply first then oni go buy..

tht is for trade oni do tat...
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post Jul 11 2019, 08:36 PM

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If helmet got smell, dot, tuv... So need sirim/jpj?

Lol.
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post Jul 11 2019, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jul 11 2019, 08:36 PM)
If helmet got smell, dot, tuv... So need sirim/jpj?

Lol.
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you need to prove to jpj tht the helmet tht you bought obersee is ece 22.05 approved.

anyone wana read can click this link

https://billyscrashhelmets.co.uk/ece-22-05-...-crash-helmets/

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jul 11 2019, 08:36 PM)
If helmet got smell, dot, tuv... So need sirim/jpj?

Lol.
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either sirim/jpj or ECE22.05. must have either one or both.

These are the only 2 certifications recognized to be legal on malaysian roads...

all other certs dont matter.

u can have the most expensive snell rated helmet. but if that snell helmet doesnt have sirim/jpj and/or ECE certification.... itll be illegal on malaysian roads and they can legally confiscate it.



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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 11 2019, 09:42 PM)
either sirim/jpj or ECE22.05. must have either one or both.

These are the only 2 certifications recognized to be legal on malaysian roads...

all other certs dont matter.

u can have the most expensive snell rated helmet. itll be illegal on malaysian roads and they can legally confiscate it.
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Meaning sirim jpj trying is better than tuv, dot, Snell?

Wow.
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jul 11 2019, 09:44 PM)
Meaning sirim jpj trying is better than tuv, dot, Snell?

Wow.
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Better than dot definitely

Some say even better than ece.

Even some say snell no good n ece is better


Like it or not, thats the ruling....which has been around for quite a long time edi
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post Jul 12 2019, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 11 2019, 05:36 PM)
the normal flow chart is..

buy - rampas - apply@ jpj - claim frm kastam.


tht is for personal la..

ppl don apply first then oni go buy..

tht is for trade oni do tat...
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Yes, that use to be the way. nod.gif
But perhaps now no more this way kot? hmm.gif
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post Jul 12 2019, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jul 12 2019, 09:26 AM)
Yes, that use to be the way.  nod.gif
But perhaps now no more this way kot?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 11 2019, 09:50 PM)
Better than dot definitely

Some say even better than ece.

Even some say snell no good n ece is better
Like it or not, thats the ruling....which has been around for quite a long time edi
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A reminder was also given by JPJ last year. mega_shok.gif
Astroawani Mulai tahun depan topi keledar perlu ada tanda SIRIM
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Sementara itu, Shaharuddin dalam sidang akhbar selepas mengadakan lawatan berkenaan berkata pihaknya kini sedang bekerjasama dengan Jabatan Kastam Diraja Malaysia (JKDM) dan Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri dan Hal Ehwal Pengguna bagi membanteras kemasukan dan penjualan topi keledar tidak mengikut piawaian ditetapkan kerajaan.

"Sebarang kemasukan topi keledar dari luar negara perlu memenuhi standard Peraturan Malaysia Standard MS 1 dan Peraturan UNR 22. Bagi topi keledar mendapat persijilan UNR 22, penandaan pada topi keledar adalah berupa huruf E yang boleh didapati di tali pengikat dan cermin pelindung muka," katanya.

Justeru, beliau berkata penting bagi mana-mana pihak ingin membawa masuk topi keledar ke negara ini bagi tujuan simpanan atau jualan memastikan barangan mereka mematuhi peraturan berkenaan atau berdepan risiko ditahan dan tidak dibenarkan dibawa masuk oleh JKDM.
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post Jul 12 2019, 10:11 AM

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Topi keledar cokia
I suggest Kastam and JPJ also go straight to the importers and shops that are selling these cokia helmets.
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Don't just penalise bikers that are using / buying high grade helmets (e.g.: NOLAN / SHOEI / ARAI / HJC / etc...) mad.gif vmad.gif bruce.gif knock.gif
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post Jul 12 2019, 10:15 AM

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they r doing it.. but very slow n slow..

n pipu still can import.. under kopi... jz like recycle plastic... still got lobang...

if wana buy, buy frm eu retailer like motodin sure got ece chop punya..
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 12 2019, 10:15 AM)
they r doing it.. but very slow n slow..

n pipu still can import.. under kopi... jz like recycle plastic... still got lobang...

if wana buy, buy frm eu retailer like motodin sure got ece chop punya..
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Have you bought from them before?
If yes, how was it? OK? No problems with shipping? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jul 12 2019, 10:11 AM)


Don't just penalise bikers that are using / buying high grade helmets (e.g.: NOLAN / SHOEI / ARAI / HJC / etc...)  mad.gif  vmad.gif  bruce.gif  knock.gif
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For every single helmet model that is sent to SIRIM for testing they will DESTROY that helmet.

SO its almost impossible to get certification for rare models and/or limited stuff. If the seller can sell only 5 units but need to send 1 unit to be destroyed... the margin how?

Thats why ARAI/SHOEI or any expensive brands, difficult to find variety in Msia. And if got might not be SIRIM approved.
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post Jul 12 2019, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jul 12 2019, 10:51 AM)
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hvnt bought frm motodin...
shipping shud be no prob la..

prob is if tahan kastam... tht time.. nid to run here run there..
each fler hv their own version of rules..

ha.. itu maciam nid to think more than twice.. wana buy ornot...
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2019, 10:55 AM)
For every single helmet model that is sent to SIRIM for testing they will DESTROY that helmet.

SO its almost impossible to get certification for rare models and/or limited stuff. If the seller can sell only 5 units but need to send 1 unit to be destroyed... the margin how?

Thats why ARAI/SHOEI or any expensive brands, difficult to find variety in Msia. And if got might not be SIRIM approved.
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if helmet got ece cert, importer no nid get sirim dy...


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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jul 11 2019, 09:44 PM)
Meaning sirim jpj trying is better than tuv, dot, Snell?

Wow.
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You know what standards mean? Literally being equal or same. And Malaysia is a member of International Standard Organisation. So either MS1 or ECE22 it is equal on minimum requirements. Manufacturer can of course go beyond but the testing regime is only to find out if this requirement being fullfil or not.

The standards are also based on local law. In this respect the law that is related to helmet are
1. All motorcycle rider/pillion are required to wear helmet.
2. Legal speed limit is 110km/j

So the cokia MS88 helmet is within this minimum requirements to lower down the cost/price as the target markets are for the mass. Is it better than Arai? No. Is it pass the test? Yes.

Back to the question why kastam need SIRIM when ECE sticker is there. This is more to proof the ECE is real deal. How would you know if you not test it. It is even important to the user as it is common knowledge that you can purchase new 'Arai rx7' for RM500 je.

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QUOTE(mypie @ Jul 12 2019, 11:20 AM)

Back to the question why kastam need SIRIM when ECE sticker is there. This is more to proof the ECE is real deal. How would you know if you not test it. It is even important to the user as it is common knowledge that you can purchase new 'Arai rx7' for RM500 je.
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there is no mention need to hv both.

most of the branded helmet legally sold here dont hv sirim, some hv jpj sticker, some dont hv.
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my helmet only go ECE cert sticker.... i guess im good then lol...
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2019, 10:55 AM)
For every single helmet model that is sent to SIRIM for testing they will DESTROY that helmet.

SO its almost impossible to get certification for rare models and/or limited stuff. If the seller can sell only 5 units but need to send 1 unit to be destroyed... the margin how?

Thats why ARAI/SHOEI or any expensive brands, difficult to find variety in Msia. And if got might not be SIRIM approved.
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Yes, correct on the bolded part.
IINM, helmet importers / manufacturers need to send around 10 pcs (maybe more?) for testing.
SIRIM (as well as other testing bodies) will test on penetration, drop, immersion, heat, etc...
Like the pictures below.
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Referring to your limited / rare certification, again IINM, no need to send the actual limited edition for testing.
For example; if a manufacturer has 300 units limited edition (like the SZ Ram 4 Oriental below), no need to send the actual unit (SZ Ram 4 Oriental) but send the actual model (SZ Ram 4) for SIRIM testing.
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Anyhow, just FYI on helmet testing standards pictures below.
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 12 2019, 11:04 AM)
hvnt bought frm motodin...
shipping shud be no prob la..

prob is if tahan kastam... tht time.. nid to run here run there..
each fler hv their own version of rules..

ha.. itu maciam nid to think more than twice.. wana buy ornot...
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 12 2019, 11:31 AM)
there is no mention need to hv both.

most of the branded helmet legally sold here dont hv sirim, some hv jpj sticker, some dont hv.
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You are right. It is redundant to have both. As you can see, this sign board placed at public areas at the border enterence to warn and only applicable to the casual importers who accidentally (or not) bring in the helmet in small quantities. For the commercial importers with large consignments, they either have the proper cert to proof the standards and legality or send few sample of the same batch for testing. For this, you wouldn't see the sirim sticker.

How the testing is conducted for your viewing pleasure.


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Sirim MS1 is better than ECE 22.05.. Sirim do the same test as ECE but with additional puncture test. Minimum legal cert needed in Malaysia is ECE 22.05
DOT is mandatory in US. Unfortunately DOT is honorary cert. Dept of Transport US give a guideline and helmets manufacture do their own test. It's a loophole that some manufacture take by not doing any testing at all. That's why FIM does not recognize DOT cert for any of their Grand Prix races. Any helmet that want to be use in official race must have atleast ECE cert then only FIM will allow the helmet to be tested by FIM.

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QUOTE(waveweaver @ Jul 12 2019, 07:27 PM)
Sirim MS1 is better than ECE 22.05.. Sirim do the same test as ECE but with additional puncture test. Minimum legal cert needed in Malaysia is ECE 22.05
DOT is mandatory in US. Unfortunately DOT is honorary cert. Dept of Transport US give a guideline and helmets manufacture do their own test. It's a loophole that some manufacture take by not doing any testing at all. That's why FIM does not recognize DOT cert for any of their Grand Prix races. Any helmet that want to be use in official race must have atleast ECE cert then only FIM will allow the helmet to be tested by FIM.
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Planning to buy a visor and spoiler for my Icon Airflite Helmet. i have checked that Icon is ECE 22.05 certified as the label is on the helmet strap and is also DOT certified.On the Visor there is also the ECE number. Rather than take the risk will order it from the retailer of Icon here in KL.
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Would like to ask , I'm heading to UK soon and was hoping to buy a helmet.

Let's say I buy then bring through KLIA malaysia through hand carry how's the process like to get It approved? This is for personal use and is ECE certified (confirmed on their web). Or will I be able to pass since it's ECE certified

If kena rampas then go jpj claim, during the time frame whereby the helmet is under their possession, what's the risk of it going missing ?
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they might have changed the rules. or they make their own rules - kastam + jpj.. so.. its abit more risky now.

before the recent hoohaa. if kastam tahan, u go apply @ jpj, jpj give letter, u claim from kastam. i hv collect those sample docs frm ppl posted online.

if you noe wht hour is bz with arrival, kastam bz.. u less chan kena inspect.
dont put in huge luggage case.
if u can u carry in a tote bag with no visible bulge or round bola shape tht can b seen frm the outside..
then carry another huge luggage case as decoy...


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QUOTE(kshen @ Aug 21 2019, 12:16 PM)
Would like to ask , I'm heading to UK soon and was hoping to buy a helmet.

Let's say I buy then bring through KLIA malaysia through hand carry how's the process like to get It approved? This is for personal use and is ECE certified (confirmed on their web). Or will I be able to pass since it's ECE certified

If kena rampas then go jpj claim, during the time frame whereby the helmet is under their possession, what's the risk of it going missing ?
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Because I'm afraid that none of us can really answer you reliably and with confidence. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Aug 21 2019, 12:55 PM)
they might have changed the rules. or they make their own rules - kastam + jpj.. so.. its abit more risky now.

before the recent hoohaa. if kastam tahan, u go apply @ jpj, jpj give letter, u claim from kastam. i hv collect those sample docs frm ppl posted online.

if you noe wht hour is bz with arrival, kastam bz.. u less chan kena inspect.
dont put in huge luggage case.
if u can u carry in a tote bag with no visible bulge or round bola shape tht can b seen frm the outside..
then carry another huge luggage case as decoy...
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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Aug 21 2019, 06:27 PM)
Maybe ask Royal Malaysian Customs Department?  icon_question.gif
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Because I'm afraid that none of us can really answer you reliably and with confidence.  sweat.gif
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Dang. Alright. Thanks guys ! There goes my dreams of owning a Ruroc lol
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QUOTE(kshen @ Aug 22 2019, 04:22 PM)
Dang. Alright. Thanks guys ! There goes my dreams of owning a Ruroc lol
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i wouldnt bother with the ruroc...u see the reviews online (not from the big motovloggers...but regular owners)... horrible

id only want one if its free... i wouldnt pay that kinda money for that

but they are really cool though.
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QUOTE(kshen @ Aug 22 2019, 04:22 PM)
Dang. Alright. Thanks guys ! There goes my dreams of owning a Ruroc lol
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ruroc makers of skiing helmet..

u go during winter, if stop by kastam u show urself @ some snow place with d helmet, sed u bought for snow boarding, skiing..

big chance can lepas.. if they ever stop u la..

well if you really want it.. hv to do it wat ever it takes..


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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Aug 23 2019, 09:23 AM)
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Not this one. I was hoping they'd drop another Atlas Ronin (the gold one). Second option is the regular Ronin lol. The mercury is nice, but won't fit my aesthetic
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Not this one. I was hoping they'd drop another Atlas Ronin (the gold one). Second option is the regular Ronin lol. The mercury is nice, but won't fit my aesthetic
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the answer is clear enuf if according to the guidelines he posted.

for personal use, there is a " custom detention letter" that is required,

which means u buy first, if kena tahan then u go jpj apply.

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the answer is clear enuf if according to the guidelines he posted.

for personal use, there is a " custom detention letter" that is required,

which means u buy first, if kena tahan then u go jpj apply.
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Hello! Please excuse this post on an old thread but if you're looking for a good article on motorcycle helmet ratings, check this one out:

https://sharphelmetchooser.co.uk/guide/moto...safety-ratings/

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Hello! Please excuse this post on an old thread but if you're looking for a good article on motorcycle helmet ratings, check this one out:

https://sharphelmetchooser.co.uk/guide/moto...safety-ratings/

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malaysia regulations is weird and funny. i remember during my race day, my shoei helmet is not allowed because it doesn't have Sirim Sticker and others don't count .....
end up need to pay rm 50 to settle.
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malaysia regulations is weird and funny. i remember during my race day, my shoei helmet is not allowed because it doesn't have Sirim Sticker and others don't count .....
end up need to pay rm 50 to settle.
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I think in many ways, it is continuously learning and evolving. But, there are still loopholes where unsuitable helmets can be shipped into Malaysia.
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I think in many ways, it is continuously learning and evolving. But, there are still loopholes where unsuitable helmets can be shipped into Malaysia.
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sorry i miss one part, my helmet reject not at kastam, but race track ... hahahaha AAM reject my helmet.
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malaysia regulations is weird and funny. i remember during my race day, my shoei helmet is not allowed because it doesn't have Sirim Sticker and others don't count .....
end up need to pay rm 50 to settle.
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What year was your race day?

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sorry i miss one part, my helmet reject not at kastam, but race track ... hahahaha AAM reject my helmet.
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AAM rejected because your helmet came with which type of safety sticker?
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What year was your race day?
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Snell dot n ce but no sirim. . Hahahha.
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Snell dot n ce but no sirim.  . Hahahha.
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Ahh... SNELL and DOT.

Previously an acquaintance of mine was racing / track days in the old Batu 3, Pasir Gudang and later in SIC (when it first opened) and was wearing Shark Carl Fogarty replica and also an Arai Agostini replica. Both had no SIRIM and he was allowed. whistling.gif
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Ahh... SNELL and DOT.

Previously an acquaintance of mine was racing / track days in the old Batu 3, Pasir Gudang and later in SIC (when it first opened) and was wearing Shark Carl Fogarty replica and also an Arai Agostini replica. Both had no SIRIM and he was allowed.  whistling.gif
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Excuse me for replying this old thread, i recently bought a Ruroc during black friday sales, and it is detained by kastam now, need me to go JPJ get approval and claim from kastam.

Just wanted to know if anyone recently gone through the process and willing to share with me/us.

If there is none, i guess i just need to follow whatever instruction given by kastam and go to JPJ to work the process.

To be continue...
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QUOTE(demons88 @ Dec 2 2020, 03:12 PM)
Excuse me for replying this old thread, i recently bought a Ruroc during black friday sales, and it is detained by kastam now, need me to go JPJ get approval and claim from kastam.

Just wanted to know if anyone recently gone through the process and willing to share with me/us.

If there is none, i guess i just need to follow whatever instruction given by kastam and go to JPJ to work the process.

To be continue...
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yes jz follow the instructions, it is straight forward
many msia ruroc owners already wearing the helmet happily now..

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yes jz follow the instructions, it is straight forward
many msia ruroc owners already wearing the helmet happily now..
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yes jz follow the instructions, it is straight forward
many msia ruroc owners already wearing the helmet happily now..
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i see, ok i will follow up and update, is there any malaysian ruroc group infb XD?
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these days, helmet without ece mark is abit diff to clear kastam. so be careful, state that it is not for use on the road, private collection, pakai kat rumah etc.. haha..is not good enough, kastam fler will bring back home..

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Dec 3 2020, 09:30 PM)
these days, helmet without ece mark is abit diff to clear kastam. so be careful, state that it is not for use on the road, private collection, pakai kat rumah etc.. haha..is not good enough, kastam fler will bring back home..

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is it still possible to buy online and we just need to get approval from jpj and bring that letter to kastam right?
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isn't this rules has been there since long time?
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Means dont need to wear nice helmet... cause to get SIRIM cert, the test will destroy the helmet... if low volume the cost cannot be recouup...

Last time i go singapore buy and WEAR it in...
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My HJC doens't come with a sirim sticker. Its an official import from local HJC distributor.

Most wont give a rat's ass to the pretty useless sirim sticker. Unless you are talking about the lowest end of the bunch.

The free xdot helmet I got from my driving school had a sirim sticker. Which do you think I feel safer wearing? LOL
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is it still possible to buy online and we just need to get approval from jpj and bring that letter to kastam right?
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they say jpj wont approve now.
not like last time.
u can try...
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Aug 13 2022, 08:53 AM)
My HJC doens't come with a sirim sticker. Its an official import from local HJC distributor.

Most wont give a rat's ass to the pretty useless sirim sticker. Unless you are talking about the lowest end of the bunch.

The free xdot helmet I got from my driving school had a sirim sticker. Which do you think I feel safer wearing? LOL
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Do we still require sirim certification? I thought jpj can also accept ece22.05 right?
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To be frank, Kastam officer will inspect for it, and maybe write a notice for pay tax. Is difficult becoz is a safety device. Eventhough ECE certified, also need JPJ lulus.

These days, buy from Shopee overseas, can get really really low grade helmet that pass for motorcycle use. Buyers beware la.
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Do we still require sirim certification? I thought jpj can also accept ece22.05 right?
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the law is SIRIM OR ECE22.05....."or"...not "and" - source: i emailed JPJ myself.

BUT... alot of officers out there may not be aware of the law and may think SIRIM is a must at all cost.
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the law is SIRIM OR ECE22.05....."or"...not "and"  - source: i emailed JPJ myself.

BUT... alot of officers out there may not be aware of the law and may think SIRIM is a must at all cost.
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that was last time, nowadays they know better
I know some not approved here are DOT (US), SNI (Indonesia), which I think was the original huha on the topic, as some ppl tried to bring in Indonesian KYT models to Malaysia
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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 2 2022, 09:40 AM)
that was last time, nowadays they know better
I know some not approved here are DOT (US), SNI (Indonesia), which I think was the original huha on the topic, as some ppl tried to bring in Indonesian KYT models to Malaysia
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add SNELL to the list as well... they are not approved.

MUST have SIRIM or ECE... anything else is a bonus... but dont have both....illegal.
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necro-ing this thread....

im flying into bangkok in may.... was thinking to check out some of the helmets there and mebbe buy 1 for my gf if she finds any that she likes n affordable...of course the one ill buy will have ECE cert...

wanna put into our check in luggage.... hoping to walk past customs with the helmet in the suitcase.

but if they check and kantoi n confiscate.... whats the next steps to get the helmet back? kinda need a guide for dummies here.
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Taobao import mari apa macam? no sirim at all
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Can't seem to recall where I read this but I remember seeing something about insurance claim issue should you get involved in an accident with a helmet that's not sirim certified, don't quote me for this though.
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Taobao import mari apa macam? no sirim at all
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considered as sensitive goods.
get a good forwarder, pay the extra for sensitip stuff,
use sea freight, high chance no problem.
dun go buy tons , just one ok la.

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necro-ing this thread....

im flying into bangkok in may.... was thinking to check out some of the helmets there and mebbe buy 1 for my gf if she finds any that she likes n affordable...of course the one ill buy will have ECE cert...

wanna put into our check in luggage.... hoping to walk past customs with the helmet in the suitcase.

but if they check and kantoi n confiscate.... whats the next steps to get the helmet back? kinda need a guide for dummies here.
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got ece shud be able to get if kena tahan.
they will tell you what to do.
u then go jpj to get approval, if approved , u go bek to kastam to collect it.

try to make it looks like u bawak frm msia,
disguise it as used helmet, pack it with other biking gears, to show u go there to sewa bike to tour..
take foto wearing the helmet with motor in thailand show to kastam fler.
choose the right time to arrive, dun balik time d fler got nothing to do..

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If yes, how was it? OK? No problems with shipping?  smile.gif
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Prepare to pay 35% in taxes plus other misc charges when kena tahan kastam.

Aku beli brakepad, windscreen, panniers etc dah kena. Helmet lagi la kena.

Madani needs money at the moment.
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Mar 7 2024, 09:12 PM)
got ece shud be able to get  if kena tahan.
they will tell you what to do.
u then go jpj to get approval, if approved , u go bek to kastam to collect it.

try to make it looks like u bawak frm msia,
disguise it as used helmet, pack it with other biking gears, to show u go there to sewa bike to tour..
take foto wearing the helmet with motor in thailand show to kastam fler.
choose the right time to arrive, dun balik time d fler got nothing to do..
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When I saw that banner during my last return flight, I asked the officer if I were to bring my own helmet overseas and back then how. They said you need to declare it when you leave the country that you're bringing a helmet overseas, then when you return you need to show them the declaration. Not sure exactly what form though but she said the procedure is something like this.

So if you were to purchase a helmet overseas and pretend you brought it from Malaysia, they may not buy your story.
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 7 2024, 11:25 PM)
When I saw that banner during my last return flight, I asked the officer if I were to bring my own helmet overseas and back then how. They said you need to declare it when you leave the country that you're bringing a helmet overseas, then when you return you need to show them the declaration. Not sure exactly what form though but she said the procedure is something like this.

So if you were to purchase a helmet overseas and pretend you brought it from Malaysia, they may not buy your story.
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yes
that's the proper procedure..

so depend on luck la lol..
they always like to say.. tengok budibicara.. so tengok lah.. lol

frequent travellers will know, how often that you kena stop for full checking?
so pandai pandai lah

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From experience:

Bring the sales invoice of the helmet (clearly stated the model and price date purchase) from MY sourced seller.

Then Find the Custom booth in point of Departure, (KLIA or KLIA2) Ask them to record the helmet show the invoice and get the receipt (form) of acknowledgement that the helmet indeed for personal use.

This brings to the problem if your flight is during odd hours then chances the kastam booth is closed, you might need to go to the arrival section and speak with the kastam officers who manned the arrival checkpoint for this helmet registration.

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 7 2024, 11:25 PM)
When I saw that banner during my last return flight, I asked the officer if I were to bring my own helmet overseas and back then how. They said you need to declare it when you leave the country that you're bringing a helmet overseas, then when you return you need to show them the declaration. Not sure exactly what form though but she said the procedure is something like this.

So if you were to purchase a helmet overseas and pretend you brought it from Malaysia, they may not buy your story.
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We ride our bikes over to Thailand and back also no declaration mah. Hahaha. Different SOP?

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 7 2024, 11:18 AM)
necro-ing this thread....

im flying into bangkok in may.... was thinking to check out some of the helmets there and mebbe buy 1 for my gf if she finds any that she likes n affordable...of course the one ill buy will have ECE cert...

wanna put into our check in luggage.... hoping to walk past customs with the helmet in the suitcase.

but if they check and kantoi n confiscate.... whats the next steps to get the helmet back? kinda need a guide for dummies here.
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take photos of the helmet before kastam hold it, make sure include the ECE tags and model name number
get written approval from JPJ, only then Kastam will release the item

https://www.jpj.gov.my/documents/portlet_fi...0&download=true

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4830176

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Mar 8 2024, 05:32 AM)
yes
that's the proper procedure..

so depend on luck la lol..
they always like to say.. tengok budibicara.. so tengok lah.. lol

frequent travellers will know, how often that you kena stop for full checking?
so pandai pandai lah
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I thought international flight return they scan your bags? Lupa liao.

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We ride our bikes over to Thailand and back also no declaration mah. Hahaha. Different SOP?
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Well if you're riding a bike to Thailand then obviously you wear a helmet there and back, but if you return with an extra brand new helmet and no passenger then that is definitely sus.

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 9 2024, 01:25 AM)
I thought international flight return they scan your bags? Lupa liao.
Well if you're riding a bike to Thailand then obviously you wear a helmet there and back, but if you return with an extra brand new helmet and no passenger then that is definitely sus.
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Wear an old disposable helmet and then buy a new one back. Hahaha
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 9 2024, 01:25 AM)
Well if you're riding a bike to Thailand then obviously you wear a helmet there and back, but if you return with an extra brand new helmet and no passenger then that is definitely sus.
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Done this before... bought helmet in phuket n was planning on wearing it to pass customs...but midway changed plans n wear back my hjc. Put new helmet in top box.

Pass customs easily coz they didnt stop or check us at all.

But..that may be different now after the case of a group of thai big bikers carrying drugs in their boxes got caught in chiang rai. Someone in the versys group claims he got stopped n checked at betong border a few days ago.

https://www.77kaoded.com/news/big/2539188
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 9 2024, 03:13 PM)
Done this before... bought helmet in phuket n was planning on wearing it to pass customs...but midway changed plans n wear back my hjc. Put new helmet in top box.

Pass customs easily coz they didnt stop or check us at all.

But..that may be different now after the case of a group of thai big bikers carrying drugs in their boxes got caught in chiang rai. Someone in the versys group claims he got stopped n checked at betong border a few days ago.

https://www.77kaoded.com/news/big/2539188
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haih, we will spend more time at kastam then
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Mar 7 2024, 09:35 PM)
Prepare to pay 35% in taxes plus other misc charges when kena tahan kastam.

Aku beli brakepad, windscreen, panniers etc dah kena. Helmet lagi la kena.

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 7 2024, 11:18 AM)
necro-ing this thread....

im flying into bangkok in may.... was thinking to check out some of the helmets there and mebbe buy 1 for my gf if she finds any that she likes n affordable...of course the one ill buy will have ECE cert...

wanna put into our check in luggage.... hoping to walk past customs with the helmet in the suitcase.

but if they check and kantoi n confiscate.... whats the next steps to get the helmet back? kinda need a guide for dummies here.
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Are helmets in Thailand cheaper than in Malaysia?

QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 9 2024, 01:25 AM)
I thought international flight return they scan your bags? Lupa liao.
Well if you're riding a bike to Thailand then obviously you wear a helmet there and back, but if you return with an extra brand new helmet and no passenger then that is definitely sus.
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How many times have you been stopped on the bike at the border? hmm.gif

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Wear an old disposable helmet and then buy a new one back. Hahaha
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Several of my acquaintances did this when they went to bike shops in Singapore (Regina, LAB, Ideal, etc) back then. whistling.gif
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depends on the helmet i guess.... there are local thai brands sold there but not easily available here and those are the ones that i usually look for.

last time i bought a Soman flip up helmet.. was about 3500baht (abt rm400)... only DOT though....BUT.. theres a shop here which sells the same brand and i think the same model also and claims they are ECE certified... for RM7xx
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 12 2024, 04:26 PM)
depends on the helmet i guess.... there are local thai brands sold there but not easily available here and those are the ones that i usually look for.

last time i bought a Soman flip up helmet.. was about 3500baht (abt rm400)... only DOT though....BUT.. theres a shop here which sells the same brand and i think the same model also and claims they are ECE certified... for RM7xx
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Isn't Soman a Chinese brand?

I don't know man.... I wouldn't trust a 400rm flip up helmet...regardless of brand....especially one with no proper ece rating. 400rm normal full face maybe still palatable ....but not a flip up given the additional parts and complexity of a flip up.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 12 2024, 05:34 PM)
Isn't Soman a Chinese brand?

I don't know man.... I wouldn't trust a 400rm flip up helmet...regardless of brand....especially one with no proper ece rating. 400rm normal full face maybe still palatable ....but not a flip up given the additional parts and complexity of a flip up.
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no idea.... bought it coz its basically AGV cutting but flip up hahahahaha

not a helmet i use very often though.. even though it is a cheap helmet, it actually feels rather robust.

but hey, theres always the RM7xx version here in malaysia hahaha
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 7 2024, 11:25 PM)
When I saw that banner during my last return flight, I asked the officer if I were to bring my own helmet overseas and back then how. They said you need to declare it when you leave the country that you're bringing a helmet overseas, then when you return you need to show them the declaration. Not sure exactly what form though but she said the procedure is something like this.

So if you were to purchase a helmet overseas and pretend you brought it from Malaysia, they may not buy your story.
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yes need declaration and apply for permit and approved by kastam before travelling out.

i brought my givi helmet to bali for a 10 days tour there.
my helmet is cleaner, more comfortable, better ventilated, better protected and have comms installed so made a lot more sense than wearing any rented helmet.
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need to apply for permit eksport sementara at port of export.
in this case your airport for the flight out.

draft a letter, bring to the kastam office at the airport and they will fill out the permit and stamp it.

QUOTE(ajaibman @ Mar 8 2024, 03:15 PM)
From experience:

Bring the sales invoice of the helmet (clearly stated the model and price date purchase) from MY sourced seller.

Then Find the Custom booth in point of Departure, (KLIA or KLIA2) Ask them to record the helmet show the invoice and get the receipt (form) of acknowledgement that the helmet indeed for personal use.

This brings to the problem if your flight is during odd hours then chances the kastam booth is closed, you might need to go to the arrival section and speak with the kastam officers who manned the arrival checkpoint for this helmet registration.
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kastam booth at airport is opened 24/7 and manned throughout the entire airport hour.
procedure takes 30min-1 hour and they need an officer to endorse it so best to go early.

it can't be done randomly at the state kastam office and must be applied at the port of export so you need to go the airport of the departure.
at least that what they told me when i went to the state office.

best to be done days before the flight since it might take a while.
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 12 2024, 04:26 PM)
depends on the helmet i guess.... there are local thai brands sold there but not easily available here and those are the ones that i usually look for.

last time i bought a Soman flip up helmet.. was about 3500baht (abt rm400)... only DOT though....BUT.. theres a shop here which sells the same brand and i think the same model also and claims they are ECE certified... for RM7xx
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