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kingz113
post Jul 31 2019, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Jul 31 2019, 02:57 AM)
its oni worth it if u get a job overseas n work thr , then u can regain bck the cost u paid for the course

but if u go overseas study but come bck malaysia work, then dont waste ur money la, better just go local unis, u can spend 500k-1 million n then come back here earn 3-4k as freshie? how long u gonna take to recoup the 500k u spent for the overseas degree?

i got a fren, went to UK study degree n masters, graduated from top uni, LSE to b specific, he spent almost myr 1 million to study in UK up to masters

then cnt find job in UK, n come bck malaysia here work, his parents mortgaged their house to pay for his education overseas, n after he came bck to msia n work here, he actually was very regret for studying overseas, his parents spent so much n sacrificed so much for him, n he felt the overseas degree he have is not really useful, yes he studied in top uni in UK n very easy to get jobs in top companies here, but he spent so much more compared to his colleagues who went to local private unis n spending much lesser for their degrees or masters, when is he going to recoup the almost 1 million he spent on his education in UK?

he is already carrying such a huge debt when he started working n his parents are not rich, just normal working class n they have to mortgage their house n use their savings to pay the fees, he felt very guilty to put his parents in such situation n now repaying money to his parents for the loan he took to study overseas
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Yeap if a family is only average financially then its silly to spend that much money for the kid to not pursue something greater.

Going to elite unis are really only suitable for few types of students.
1) rich families
2) highly ambitious and motivated and will do whatever it takes to reach the top
3) bright student under scholarship

Your friends case is neither and therefore its seriously a colossal waste of time and money. The shitty thing is he only realises its not useful after spending that much money.
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post Jul 31 2019, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 31 2019, 09:55 AM)
Pity the parents, now their retirement plan has to be downgraded. Surprised that even LSE graduate needs long time to recoup back 1m.
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cos he is working in malaysia nw, if he found a job in UK n worked thr he would have no problem to recoup his uni fees,

i hav other high schoolmates who studied in top unis in UK and managed to get a job thr after they graduate, but not all who went to study in UK can land a job thr, mayb 20-30% oni managed to land a job thr, the rest all hav to come bck malaysia to work

so my LSE fren actually took a rm1 million gamble to get a job/settle down in UK and he lost and now hav to spend many decades to repay bck the loan he took frm his parents
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post Jul 31 2019, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(kingz113 @ Jul 31 2019, 12:08 PM)
Yeap if a family is only average financially then its silly to spend that much money for the kid to not pursue something greater.

Going to elite unis are really only suitable for few types of students.
1) rich families
2) highly ambitious and motivated and will do whatever it takes to reach the top
3) bright student under scholarship

Your friends case is neither and therefore its seriously a colossal waste of time and money. The shitty thing is he only realises its not useful after spending that much money.
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yup, and if wan to work overseas hav to go to those ivy league unis or oxbridge unis etc, those can almost guarantee an employment overseas after graduation

and if the student is good enough, he would hav been sponsored (getting scholarships) to go to those ivy league unis and dont need to fork out a single cent for his tertiary education

if the student hav to pay the exorbitant fees himself then he is most likely is not going to those ivy league unis and oni go to those top 100 unis like monash, LSE, UCL, nottingham, ANU etc, those unis are expensive n wont guarantee employment overseas after graduation
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post Jul 31 2019, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Jul 31 2019, 02:39 PM)
yup, and if wan to work overseas hav to go to those ivy league unis or oxbridge unis etc, those can almost guarantee an employment overseas after graduation

and if the student is good enough, he would hav been sponsored (getting scholarships) to go to those ivy league unis and dont need to fork out a single cent for his tertiary education

if the student hav to pay the exorbitant fees himself then he is most likely is not going to those ivy league unis and oni go to those top 100 unis like monash, LSE, UCL, nottingham, ANU etc, those unis are expensive n wont guarantee employment overseas after graduation
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Agree. LSE/UCL/UniMelb are decent, but they ain’t no Ivy League level

p.s. Nottingham is not even top100

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QUOTE(TheRant @ Jul 9 2019, 12:47 PM)
What do you guys think. Do you think it's worth studying overseas.  Would it be better if we use that money for investment OK n the first place.
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A big YES. It will broaden your view seeing other people and cultures besides for education purpose.
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post Jul 31 2019, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(James1983 @ Jul 31 2019, 03:53 PM)
Agree. LSE/UCL/UniMelb are decent, but they ain’t no Ivy League level

p.s. Nottingham is not even top100
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it was during my time, bck in early 2010s
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QUOTE(DoomHammer @ Jul 31 2019, 03:56 PM)
A big YES. It will broaden your view seeing other people and cultures besides for education purpose.
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yeah b like my fren, spent 1 mil to study until masters in LSE then come bck msia to work

n seeing other ppl n cultures for wat? so dat he can brag to his local uni colleagues? he got how many angmoh frens? he went to the whole europe on trips? he can speak wif a little british slang? spent all 1 million so dat u can brag to ur frens or colleagues? hahaha

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Jul 31 2019, 04:08 PM)
yeah b like my fren, spent 1 mil to study until masters in LSE then come bck msia to work

n seeing other ppl n cultures for wat? so dat he can brag to his local uni colleagues? he got how many angmoh frens? he went to the whole europe on trips? he can speak wif a little british slang? spent all 1 million so dat u can brag to ur frens or colleagues? hahaha
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I was part of American Degree Program but unable to go there because of 1996-1998 crisis. I continued my study here instead. No problem.
I have seniors who finished their studies there and none of them are as per your description. Clearly, you have 'masalah hati'.
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QUOTE(DoomHammer @ Jul 31 2019, 05:55 PM)
I was part of American Degree Program but unable to go there because of 1996-1998 crisis. I continued my study here instead. No problem.
I have seniors who finished their studies there and none of them are as per your description. Clearly, you have 'masalah hati'.
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thats why i asking u, what other advantages studying overseas bring? get to know the ppl n culture and so? in the end they are going to come bck malaysia work anyway, they are not gonna work or settle down overseas, so wats the use of those different cultures n people they noe? so that they can kiss their expat angmoh bosses here better? hahahaha

and is it worth to spend 500k to 1 million for those 'experiences'? putting ur parents into great debt mortgaging their house n taking their savings to fund for ur overseas education? its their money n u r not entitled for it, dont think that its ur birthright to spend their hard earned money like dat

unless ur parents is very rich la, the dat is diff story, yes go ahead n study overseas as much as u wan, but if ur parents is not rich n just middle class, dont b the charsiew children n die die wan go overseas study
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To be honest with you, I'm doubtful in regards to the economic benefits of studying overseas. Been there and done that and I figured that while there are secondary benefits such as the cultural exchange, learning to live independently and so forth, I feel that all of these can be replicated locally.

People put a strong emphasis on the teaching standards and so on. My opinion after being in industry for a near decade is that 99 percent of what they teach you in an Angmoh uni is just as useless when you come out to work. You're just there for the paper as much as people like the sugarcoat it all.

Being in the top 100 is just for naming prestige, that why I chose the unis I went to. I didn't really feel I was magically going to get a bajillion skills more than Joe bloggs who went to University of Woop Woop.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 1 2019, 08:39 AM)
To be honest with you, I'm doubtful in regards to the economic benefits of studying overseas. Been there and done that and I figured that while there are secondary benefits such as the cultural exchange, learning to live independently and so forth, I feel that all of these can be replicated locally.

People put a strong emphasis on the teaching standards and so on. My opinion after being in industry for a near decade is that 99 percent of what they teach you in an Angmoh uni is just as useless when you come out to work. You're just there for the paper as much as people like the sugarcoat it all.

Being in the top 100 is just for naming prestige, that why I chose the unis I went to. I didn't really feel I was magically going to get a bajillion skills more than Joe bloggs who went to University of Woop Woop.
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At least you are honest. Compared to those who are being so defensive.
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QUOTE(DoomHammer @ Jul 31 2019, 03:56 PM)
A big YES. It will broaden your view seeing other people and cultures besides for education purpose.
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I agree. I only came to understand my own country Malaysia after staying in Australia for a total of 356 days (multiple entries).

I went to Melbourne, to be precise, during 2013 ~ 2015. I understand at least a few things:
- Australia implemented GST at the time, their receipts were Tax Invoice. So I cope it well when Malaysia started implementing the same taxation in 2016.
- Wave debit card and enter PIN to checkout. Again, I cope it well when Malaysia started doing the same way since 2017(?).
- Their banking app is awesome and use PIN to login. Well, I do hope to see Malaysian banking app will apply the same technique in the future
- Melbourne can be as hot as 40 degree Celsius in summer. Malaysia does not have both extreme weather (winter and summer)
-etc (....you name it)
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I give another perspective. There are many locals who had never been interested in visiting local attraction, like aquarium, national science center, museum, etc.

But when go other countries, somehow these they will see as tourist attractions and can plan dragon plan lion to visit make timetable all.

Shows the perception of indulging something outside seem glamorous and grand. Same to those who says "study abroad for the cultural exchange and independent experience - when come back will become a totally matured person!". So far i see this as bullcrap. Asians are asians, never changes. Mingle only amongst themselves, no balls to smoke weed and not likely interested in rock climbing, xtreme stuffs like that. If pama got money, go la for the fun see the world
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Aug 3 2019, 10:42 AM)
I give another perspective. There are many locals who had never been interested in visiting local attraction, like aquarium, national science center, museum, etc.

But when go other countries, somehow these they will see as tourist attractions and can plan dragon plan lion to visit make timetable all.

Shows the perception of indulging something outside seem glamorous and grand. Same to those who says "study abroad for the cultural exchange and independent experience - when come back will become a totally matured person!". So far i see this as bullcrap. Asians are asians, never changes. Mingle only amongst themselves, no balls to smoke weed and not likely interested in rock climbing, xtreme stuffs like that. If pama got money, go la for the fun see the world
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Agree...spend 3 years overseas like seen-it-all Eye opener .. lol...
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QUOTE(TheRant @ Jul 9 2019, 12:47 PM)
What do you guys think. Do you think it's worth studying overseas.  Would it be better if we use that money for investment OK n the first place.
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yes, it is worth it

studying oversea and travel oversea are totally different experience

studying oversea you really able to expose yourself about how foreigners do things etc

and you will be very grateful to your parents for sponsoring you to oversea.
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If go just to study textbook and spend all the time in the library and score good results then no...

Spend 10x more money doesn't mean u gotta study 10x more to have the best chance of making the most out of it. The overseas education is not necessarily 10x better. U have to go all in with the "gain exposure" position, consistently put yourself in unfamiliar territory, join "weird" societies make "weird" friends, ask and understand the "weird" cultures, to really broaden your mind. For those who study hard pay lots of money to go to famous uni to get into elite firms, unless you are in some super technical field, interviewers are not gonna ask u subject related questions, they gonna assess if u are a right cultural fit and fit their idea of what a uni of xxx grad should behave like. And u definitely won't be a culture fit if u just nerd everyday

Spend 1mil to go pass some exams is stupid and sure leads to disappointment. 50 years ago maybe different due to the gap in technical knowledge of the faculty but nowadays all same la at undergrad level.



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