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azriel
post Mar 30 2021, 07:46 PM

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Japan signs deal to export defense equipment to Indonesia

KYODO NEWS - 1 hour ago - 19:17 | All, Japan, World

TOKYO - Japan and Indonesia signed Tuesday a deal enabling exports of Japanese-made defense equipment to the Southeast Asian country, as they try to boost cooperation amid China's rising assertiveness in regional waters.

The accord on the transfer of defense equipment and technology was signed after the foreign and defense ministers of Japan and Indonesia met in Tokyo for the so-called two-plus-two talks, the second of its kind between the two countries since 2015.

Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga © meets with Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi (L) and Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto in Tokyo on March 30, 2021. (Kyodo)

Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said he hopes the envisaged pact will be the "foundation of further security cooperation between the two countries," when he met with Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi and Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto ahead of the two-plus-two meeting.

"To realize the vision of a free and open Indo-Pacific, I'd like to advance specific cooperation," Suga also told the Indonesian ministers at his office.


Read more: https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021/03/...nt-exports.html

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post Mar 31 2021, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Mar 29 2021, 11:16 PM)
I don't understand the purpose for this thing. 105mm gun and not armored.
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Right? It is literally a gunboat. Dunno why they keep calling it a tank boat just bcoz it uses an IFV turret.
Also, why on earth they put turret right on top of the bridge, the muzzle flash and sound when the gun is firing would be both blinding and deafening to the bridge crew, would it not?

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 31 2021, 09:50 AM)
Right? It is literally a gunboat. Dunno why they keep calling it a tank boat just bcoz it uses an IFV turret.
Also, why on earth they put turret right on top of the bridge, the muzzle flash and sound when the gun is firing would be both blinding and deafening to the bridge crew, would it not?

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Yeah like a modern day PBR.

Though I still can't brain the 105mm version, its not like they're going to fight armor. What's wrong with old fashion 81mm mortar for fire support?
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post Mar 31 2021, 09:40 PM

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31 MARCH 2021

Japan, Indonesia sign defence trade deal

by Jon Grevatt

Japan and Indonesia have finalised an accord to facilitate defence trade and related defence industrial collaboration.

The Defense Equipment and Technology Transfer Agreement was signed in Tokyo on 30 March by the two countries’ foreign and defence ministers.

The agreement is aimed at supporting Japanese defence exports to the Southeast Asian country and boosting regional security amid growing concerns about Chinese assertiveness.

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Japan and Indonesia have signed a deal to co-operate on joint defence projects that could include Japan’s 30FFM-class frigate (pictured). (Mitsui E & S)

Details about potential platforms for sale were not revealed but Japan’s Defence Minister Nobuo Kishi indicated that talks on such capabilities would start soon. Official statements indicated that such capabilities would be geared towards supporting maritime security.

Indonesian defence minister Prabowo Subianto also said that the agreement would support defence industrial co-operation between the two countries and Indonesia’s efforts to modernise its armed forces.

Japan and Indonesia have been discussing the equipment and technology agreement for several years and in late 2020 the accord was agreed in principle by the two sides to facilitate collaboration on maritime-security capabilities including frigates and other surface combatants.

In late 2020 representatives from Japan’s naval shipbuilders – including Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) – also held talks with counterparts from Indonesia with a view to pursuing such joint projects for the Indonesian Navy.

Janes understands that a platform that has been discussed as a potential joint project is Japan’s 30FFM-class frigate, which is being built for the Japan Maritime Self‐Defence Force (JMSDF) by MHI and Mitsui. In a separate agreement announced on 29 March, MHI agreed to take over Mitsui. This acquisition will be finalised later this year.


https://www.janes.com/defence-news/japan-in...ade-deal_16606/


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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 31 2021, 09:40 PM)
Indo's locally-built Izumo-class incoming in the future? brows.gif
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 31 2021, 09:50 AM)
Right? It is literally a gunboat. Dunno why they keep calling it a tank boat just bcoz it uses an IFV turret.
Also, why on earth they put turret right on top of the bridge, the muzzle flash and sound when the gun is firing would be both blinding and deafening to the bridge crew, would it not?

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The initial model is using 105mm cannon.
Have you seen a gunboat with 105mm Cannon?
And using a type of cannon that used on tank?
That is why they called it a tank boat

I think TNI preffer 30mm RCWS on it.
A RCWS commonly installed on IFV.
It is an IFV on waters.

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post Apr 1 2021, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 31 2021, 09:51 PM)
Indo's locally-built Izumo-class incoming in the future? brows.gif
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But, Japan will not allowed their tech to be transfered or the ship export to others.
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post Apr 1 2021, 08:14 AM

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Japan is willing on tech transfer that will make Iver Huitfeldt and others have a new heavy contender now.
A lot of choice for TNI future frigate iver or type 31 babcock, fremm, 30ffm, or else...
They winner surely the cheaper with better tech transfer.

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post Apr 1 2021, 08:53 AM

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The strongest menhan was Purnomo Yusgiantoro (2009-2014)...strengthened TNI massively in five years, despite being a civilian.

The weakest was Ryamizard Ryacudu (2014-2019), a retired 4-star general, openly said, no need to have stronger armament, there won't be a war. He barely bought anything.

Remain to be seen...how Prabowo will compare as a menhan
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post Apr 1 2021, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Apr 1 2021, 08:14 AM)
Japan is willing on tech transfer that will make Iver Huitfeldt and others have a new heavy contender now.
A lot of choice for TNI future frigate iver or type 31 babcock, fremm, 30ffm, or else...
They winner surely the cheaper with better tech transfer.
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The Iver Huitfeldt is a separate deal. The 30FFM will compete against FREMM, Babcock Type 31 and Damen Sigma.
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post Apr 1 2021, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 1 2021, 09:01 AM)
The Iver Huitfeldt is a separate deal. The 30FFM will compete against FREMM, Babcock Type 31 and Damen Sigma.
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Really?
Wow....but better stick to one type for same role.
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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Apr 1 2021, 08:03 AM)
The initial model is using 105mm cannon.
Have you seen a gunboat with 105mm Cannon?
And using a type of cannon that used on tank?
That is why they called it a tank boat

I think TNI preffer 30mm RCWS on it.
A RCWS commonly installed on IFV.
It is an IFV on waters.
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I think you're confused on what constitutes a Tank or IFV.

Having something installed with a Tank/IFV turret does not make it into a Tank/IFV. laugh.gif

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post Apr 1 2021, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 1 2021, 09:59 AM)
I think you're confused on what constitutes a Tank or IFV.

Having something installed with a Tank/IFV turret does not make it into a Tank/IFV.  laugh.gif

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And there is no correct and incorrect terms actually.
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post Apr 1 2021, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Apr 1 2021, 10:01 AM)
And there is no correct and incorrect terms actually.
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According to dictionary.com

A tank is a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.

An infantry fighting vehicle is a type of armored fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and provide direct-fire support.



Meanwhile, the definition of a Gunboat is: "a small fast ship with guns mounted on it, for use in shallow coastal waters and rivers"

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post Apr 1 2021, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 1 2021, 10:07 AM)
According to dictionary.com

A tank is a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track.

An infantry fighting vehicle is a type of armored fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and provide direct-fire support.
Meanwhile, the definition of a Gunboat is: "a small fast ship with guns mounted on it, for use in shallow coastal waters and rivers"

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RMN uses LMS term for patrol ship.
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post Apr 1 2021, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Apr 1 2021, 09:16 AM)
Really?
Wow....but better stick to one type for same role.
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Yes...2 units for Iver Huitfeldt while iinm 6 units for 30FFM/Italian FREMM/Babcock Type 31 Arrowhead/Damen Sigma depending which one is chosen.

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Apr 1 2021, 12:21 PM)
RMN uses LMS term for patrol ship.
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LMS is actually the name of that particular class of ships (Keris-Class) based on its roles, not a catch-all name for patrol ships by the TLDM

Littoral : Meaning the ship is to operate in littoral areas

Mission: Meaning the ship is supposed to be equipped with modular 'mission packs' based on its tasks at the time (Different packs for MCW, ASW, ASuW and other tasks)

Ship: It is a ship

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Female attacker at Indonesian police headquarters an ISIS follower, say police

JAKARTA (REUTERS) - Indonesian police shot dead a woman who had opened fire at officers at the national police headquarters in Jakarta on Wednesday (March 31) in an attack inspired by militant force Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the police chief said.

The 25-year-old woman, identified only by her initials ZA, had fired six times at officers near an entrance post to the headquarters before being taken down, General Listyo Sigit Prabowo said.

She was a college dropout who lived in Jakarta and she had posted a photo of the ISIS flag on her Instagram account hours before the shooting, Gen Listyo said.

"From the profiling of the person in question, that person was a suspect or a lone wolf with the ideology of radical ISIS," Gen Listyo told a news conference, adding that she had left a note for her parents bidding farewell.

Footage shown by local television stations showed a person in a blue veil and long black clothing entering the grounds of the police complex as gunshots were heard.

She was later seen falling to the ground amid more gunshots.

The incident came three days after a husband and wife carried out a suicide bombing at a cathedral on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi on Palm Sunday, wounding 20 people and killing themselves.

At least 13 people have been arrested by police in Jakarta, Sulawesi and West Nusa Tenggara provinces following the Sulawesi attack.

Terrorism analyst Al Chaidar said Wednesday’s attempted attack was likely intended as revenge for a sweep of police arrests of suspected religious extremists in recent days.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/i...n-isis-follower


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post Apr 2 2021, 08:11 AM

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Updated March 31, 2021 04:53 p.m. ET

Indonesia To Buy Japanese Stealth Frigates, Cooperate On Defense

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Indonesia will buy as many as eight Mogami-class stealth frigates from Japan.


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Japan plans to build 22 of the frigates, four of which will be bought by Indonesia. The agreement gives Indonesia the right to build four more Mogami-class frigates at Indonesian dockyards. They will be the most modern operated by the Indonesian Navy.


Full article: https://www.btimesonline.com/articles/14781...echnologies.htm



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post Apr 2 2021, 10:33 AM

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I thought the purchase deal is not signed.
8 units 30 FFM is not a small number. Many navies in Asean will jelly.

Migami price tag $465 Mio each, RMN can only get delayed less capable LCS for $1 billion each.


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