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Protoculture
post Jul 17 2019, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Jul 17 2019, 11:09 AM)
sebab nak jimat la dorang selalu dapat kapal ex RMN ...lpas tu govt expect MMEA jadi macam navy dengan aset yang tua.

tak salah mereka minta macam ni. sebab mereka rajin mintak macam ni la mereka dapat NGPC dan OPV...kalo tak dapat kedah class ...

tambah dengan govt baru ni yang pompang sembang kencang nak jaga perairan negara, mane la tau dapat 'mothership' tu ke....kalo govt berani kata takde duit,baru la pegi plan B
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Aku tak cakap MMEA mintak sedekah kat RMN. Sebab recurring problem dapat aset lama hibah RMN ni alkisah bab maintenance nightmare.

Aku cadangkan cara RMN punya solution pasal kekurangan hull untuk maintain ops. Sebabtu RMN guna approach macam BM 5 & BM 6. Pakai commercial vessels ex MISC.

Cer MMEA guna cara tu. Dapat ex-MISC ships dalam tempoh 6 bln - 1 tahun dah boleh operational. Tenggek sebijik kat Beting Patinggi Ali lepas tu tenggek sebijik kat Selat Melaka dan tenggek sebijik kat perairan Terengganu sebagai mobile forward base dan rotate duty roster. Kan solve banyak problem.

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post Jul 17 2019, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Jul 17 2019, 11:17 AM)
Aku tak cakap MMEA mintak sedekah kat RMN. Sebab recurring problem dapat aset lama hibah RMN ni alkisah bab maintenance nightmare.

Aku cadangkan cara RMN punya solution pasal kekurangan hull untuk maintain ops. Sebabtu RMN guna approach macam BM 5 & BM 6. Pakai commercial vessels ex MISC.

Cer MMEA guna cara tu. Dapat ex-MISC ships dalam tempoh 6 bln - 1 tahun dah boleh operational. Tenggek sebijik kat Beting Patinggi Ali lepas tu tenggek sebijik kat Selat Melaka dan tenggek sebijik kat perairan Terengganu sebagai mobile forward base dan rotate duty roster. Kan solve banyak problem.
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aku tak cakap pun tak boleh pakai idea macam navy tu...

MMEA trying their luck since the new govt keep saying they want to give our serviceman what they need instead what govt want...its a good gamble...if they win,they got new ship with good capabilities and can be use in high tempo. if they lose, they also got ship which still can be use to complete the task at hand.
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post Jul 17 2019, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 17 2019, 11:10 AM)
ko ngan boss aku sekepala eh
MMEA nak sea basing atau forward base aja.

BM5,6 tu mmg the best solution
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he may actually BE your boss brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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post Jul 17 2019, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Jul 17 2019, 11:30 AM)
he may actually BE your boss  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Eh eh eh ke situ pulop. Aku ni amateur mil-fag jew, keje edukesyen and /k part timer cum resident /k Taliban.

Atreyu tu insider bhai, aku ni outsider ....
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Jul 17 2019, 11:30 AM)
he may actually BE your boss  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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mati aku hahaha

Tuann saya tak tuang tuan
ni tgh buat kerja ni, pening menghadap kerja la duk /K lepas tensen

haha
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post Jul 18 2019, 10:29 AM

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Home minister: We will buy additional assets for the MMEA only if there is a special need

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The Ministry of Home Affairs has informed the government is willing to increase the assets and ships of the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) only if there is a special need to combat the issue of invasion of foreign fishermen.

Its minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin said his agency found that the mobilization of assets and ships by other enforcement and security agencies was seen to be effective enough to address the issue of the intrusion in the meantime.

"The need for bigger assets and big ships is there but I do not think in the near future.

"For the time being, the eradication of foreign encroachment by foreign security agencies and enforcement agencies is quite effective,"
he said when met after the United Nation's (UN) United Leader's Council's Supreme Leader's Council Meeting in Putrajaya yesterday.

He said Ops Naga, which was launched in April, is still in operation with four ministries and seven enforcement and security agencies.

In April, the Cabinet approved the establishment of a special task force with four ministries and seven agencies and security to address the issue of invasion of Vietnamese fishermen in the waters of the country.

The special task force is headed by the Ministry of Home Affairs (KDN) besides participating by the Ministry of Agriculture and Agro-Based Industry (MOA); Ministry of Defense and Foreign Ministry.

Meanwhile, seven enforcement and security agencies involved are the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA); Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM); Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN); Fishery Department; Malaysian Fisheries Development Authority (LKIM); The Immigration Department and the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC).

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post Jul 18 2019, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 17 2019, 09:32 AM)
None right now though, what stuff we are hearing about right now is probably what the Navy and MMEA will have for the next 5-8 years. The Navy will be busy with the remaining  LCS and LMS while MMEA can look forward to the 3 Damen OPVs and the remaining 3 NGPCs.
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A bit of correction. After further searching , it seems that all 6 of the NGPC is already in service now. They are:

- KM Bagan Datuk (4541)
- KM Tok Bali (4544)
- KM Sri Aman (4542)
- KM Kinabalu (4545)
- KM Kota Belud (4543)
- KM Lahad Datu (4546)

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post Jul 18 2019, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 18 2019, 10:29 AM)
Home minister: We will buy additional assets for the MMEA only if there is a special need

The Ministry of Home Affairs has informed the government is willing to increase the assets and ships of the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) only if there is a special need to combat the issue of invasion of foreign fishermen.

Its minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin said his agency found that the mobilization of assets and ships by other enforcement and security agencies was seen to be effective enough to address the issue of the intrusion in the meantime.

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MMEA wont ask if it got no need for it...at the end, its the same as always...

and.........if 'special need' come later on what is the alternative???hope next batch of NGPC will announce soon....then the 'special need' come, we got at least next batch vessel to help alleviate the situation...


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post Jul 18 2019, 12:38 PM

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kapal dan boat tak cukup bodo..

lagi seronok penjilat prc /k dengar berita ni..
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post Jul 18 2019, 02:47 PM

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In case of patrol/observation plane, a lot of coast guards even use small single or twin-engine aircrafts and employ mark 1 eyeball also good enough. Malaysia also have relatively small maritime airspace, so not that long a range is required.

What is important is having an eye in the sky.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 18 2019, 02:47 PM)
In case of patrol/observation plane, a lot of coast guards even use small single or twin-engine aircrafts and employ mark 1 eyeball also good enough. Malaysia also have relatively small maritime airspace, so not that long a range is required.

What is important is having an eye in the sky.

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New Zealand Coast Guard Cessna 182R
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Easy to learn and fly also..


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post Jul 18 2019, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Strike @ Jul 18 2019, 12:38 PM)
mangkuk ph

kapal dan boat tak cukup bodo..

lagi seronok penjilat prc /k dengar berita ni..
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too early to tell...better wait the RMK or next budget...still got hope...
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post Jul 18 2019, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ Jul 18 2019, 02:58 PM)
Easy to learn and fly also..
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Even single-engine light aircraft can already fly faster, higher and further than any helicopter.

Besides pilot and copilot, 2 guys in the passenger seats with high-powered binoculars (one watching starboard and one watching port) can see around very far already. When install electro-optical gear, the observers can see even much further.

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post Jul 18 2019, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 18 2019, 02:47 PM)

What is important is having an eye in the sky.

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some people here say P-8 or bust, so opinions differ
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Jul 18 2019, 03:56 PM)
some people here say P-8 or bust, so opinions differ
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The Navy does perhaps, but coast guard probably don't need such advanced plane like P-8. laugh.gif

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post Jul 18 2019, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 18 2019, 03:58 PM)
The Navy does perhaps, but coast guard probably don't need such advanced plane like P-8. laugh.gif
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can we afford 2 maritime air forces as well?

it's "only" a few small aircraft but bear in mind, we are struggling to buy 6 helicopters and a few LIFT jets as it is...
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Jul 18 2019, 04:15 PM)
can we afford 2 maritime air forces as well?

it's "only" a few small aircraft but bear in mind, we are struggling to buy 6 helicopters and a few LIFT jets as it is...
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A coast guard air unit is hardly what can be called 'maritime air forces'. tongue.gif

You don't need advanced radar and sensors, anti-submarine equipment and any heavy armaments at all. Navy guys need that tech and firepower because their enemies are also powerful. Enforcing fishery/maritime law and chasing lightly-armed pirates & kidnappers hardly need something like a Harpoon anti-ship missile or dozens of sonoboys that cost $3000 USD each.

You can basically buy a few commercial single or twin-engine light planes, paint it in APMM colors, put 2 guys with binoculars in the cabin and you have a basic patrol/visual observation aircraft already. You can get one in the market for as low as RM 1 million only for single engine planes. Maintenance is also easy since its all based on commercial plane.

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post Jul 18 2019, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 18 2019, 04:29 PM)

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If it were that easy, everyone would do it

I think 2 guys with binocs won't be able to spot much
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Jul 18 2019, 04:47 PM)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If it were that easy, everyone would do it

I think 2 guys with binocs won't be able to spot much
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Many coast guards do use those kinds of light aircrafts as patrol/observation platforms, usually smaller countries with limited budgets though like New Zealand, The Philippines and some others.

Anyway if you can afford better planes with better equipment by all means get those as they van do the job better, but I guess beggars can't be such choosers.

The single-engine planes may have to use onboard observers, although you can probably install basic electro-optical gear on larger twin-engine aircraft. Then you can get a much larger area that you can observe.




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