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ghost_brocolli
post Jun 29 2019, 03:18 PM

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I don't really get what is the hoo-hah/affinity Malaysian chinese feel towards China. What's the link between China and you? because of your ancestors?

My father still having this affinity towards china but to me they are just a bully, lonely superpower with an identity crisis
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post Jun 29 2019, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Nub! @ Jun 29 2019, 03:10 PM)
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post Jun 29 2019, 04:46 PM

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post Jun 29 2019, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jun 29 2019, 01:25 PM)
Then I say good for you. But is your example a common fact or exception on the average non chinese ability to pronounce chinese names?

Anyways, I never knew having glamor names actually means we are ashamed of our real names. Can cite the source of that research/ findings?
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Shame or not is one thing but I dunno why only Chinese or mostly Chinese all over the world (except Chinese from China) like to use Christian names ... I think Thai, Korean, Indian, Japanese, Vietnamese names are equally hard to pronounce (some, not all)... but who cares... if u r important enough.. people have to learn to pronounce ..
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 29 2019, 04:59 PM)
Shame or not is one thing but I dunno why only Chinese or mostly Chinese all over the world (except Chinese from China) like to use Christian names ... I think Thai, Korean, Indian, Japanese, Vietnamese names are equally hard to pronounce (some, not all)... but who cares... if u r important enough.. people have to learn to pronounce ..
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Baptised at birth, so adopted a Christian name. Nothing wrong with that.
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:06 PM

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too long want read all.

kesimpulan?
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:08 PM

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Why so butthurt?

Cannot take the good points and constructive argument/discussion from there?

Focus on a few inaccuracies and go to town tell author crawl back to whichever hole he came from.

He didn't say we chinese today want to go back china. He said our forefathers and ancestors. Today, the story is more complex, history is not the simple straightforward story we want it to be.

It's become something else, and while he puts forward the opinion that the grievance and misplaced loyalty should no longer be the main factor in keeping vernacular schools (which is good, imo), the jibe about quality is not strong.

This is a self-reflective piece, educative in its big picture narrative, and it is of course sending the message, i am willing to be self reflective, are you willing to be self reflective too?
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Jun 29 2019, 01:52 PM)
Ching dynasty is from Manchuria, and Mandarin is their language.  Nothing to do with Chinese.
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Lol.. no Mandarin is not Manchurian’s language.. certain words from Manchurian might have been assimilated into Mandarin .. Mandarin has been in use since few dynasties before..
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:10 PM

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post Jun 29 2019, 05:11 PM

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cilakat..can dont keep quote the ori post..zzzzz
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 29 2019, 05:10 PM)
Lol.. no Mandarin is not Manchurian’s language.. certain words from Manchurian might have been assimilated into Mandarin ..  Mandarin has been in use since few dynasties before..
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All dynasties that use mandarin originate from the manchu la.
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Rayvoyal @ Jun 29 2019, 05:08 PM)
Why so butthurt?

Cannot take the good points and constructive argument/discussion from there?

Focus on a few inaccuracies and go to town tell author crawl back to whichever hole he came from.

He didn't say we chinese today want to go back china. He said our forefathers and ancestors. Today, the story is more complex, history is not the simple straightforward story we want it to be.

It's become something else, and while he puts forward the opinion that the grievance and misplaced loyalty should no longer be the main factor in keeping vernacular schools (which is good, imo), the jibe about quality is not strong.

This is a self-reflective piece, educative in its big picture narrative, and it is of course sending the message, i am willing to be self reflective, are you willing to be self reflective too?
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Self reflection is an internal matter not a public call to action. Do self reflect and internalise and keep it inhouse. K thanks bye.
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 29 2019, 04:59 PM)
Shame or not is one thing but I dunno why only Chinese or mostly Chinese all over the world (except Chinese from China) like to use Christian names ... I think Thai, Korean, Indian, Japanese, Vietnamese names are equally hard to pronounce (some, not all)... but who cares... if u r important enough.. people have to learn to pronounce ..
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Ah that's why Britain fastest Marathon runner is called Mo Farah.
It totally makes sense now.
I bet they call you Bob at work, right Bob?

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post Jun 29 2019, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Jun 29 2019, 05:16 PM)
All dynasties that use mandarin originate from the manchu la.
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Mandarin already used in Yuan dynasty .. what u talking? If Mandarin is Manchus language, the written form can never be understood by a Cantonese... the fact is Chinese languages are all very similar and existed since Han or earlier periods though constantly evolving ..
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Jun 29 2019, 05:18 PM)
Self reflection is an internal matter not a public call to action. Do self reflect and internalise and keep it inhouse. K thanks bye.
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Ya. Internal matter, which begs the question why he wrote in english to the 9% banana. Or if its to the bigger 20% that he claims only know Chinese, and doesn't know anything else.

Shud write in chinese and send to one of the dailies to stir an internal 20% shitstorm.
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:27 PM

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post Jun 29 2019, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Rayvoyal @ Jun 29 2019, 05:23 PM)
Ya. Internal matter, which begs the question why he wrote in english to the 9% banana. Or if its to the bigger 20% that he claims only know Chinese, and doesn't know anything else.

Shud write in chinese and send to one of the dailies to stir an internal 20% shitstorm.
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You know, youmight have something there. Only a small number of bananas would care enough to roast the fella. People like me who have skin in the game, like my kids who go to sjkc.
Maybe he thinks bananas wouldn't mind intermarriage or casting aside Chinese culture for local pseudo Arab culture? But if you're male Chinese taking a malay wife shouldn't she follow your customs where possible and the kids would still be Chinese, right? Still no bumi privileges unlike the children of Bangladeshi +local or mat salleh + local.
At the end of the day, what is the result? You get mixed breeds that are not fully accepted in either culture. Just a like banana la. Lol
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(TheReaderReads @ Jun 29 2019, 01:26 AM)
The writer wrote this. Working in SG, I do know many Singaporean would admit that Malaysian speaks and write better Chinese
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The writer was obviously lying through his teeth, I mean keyboard
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(IdiuU @ Jun 29 2019, 12:39 AM)
cainis this cainis that.... cai yr head lah

i'm malaysian
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post Jun 29 2019, 06:05 PM

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1) For those who wish to quote or reply TS, the correct way is as below. You need not quote the entire text to save space & bandwidth. Thanks.

2) I find the article educational at the beginning 30%. The remaining part is purely conjecture, ie perhaps the writer is basing his opinion on his own family experience. It would have been an even more interesting read if the writer had a better command of the English language.

3) "Loyalty to country" and "patriotism" are propaganda created by governments & politicians to make citizens stay in a country, sign up for the army, go to war or die for the country. In this internet age, the choice of domicile is largely dictated by kinship and economic opportunities. In plain English, where I choose to live depends on where my loved ones (family & friends) are mostly located or where I have a better opportunity to make more money.

4) I still keep in touch with my relatives and cousins from China, including those who have emigrated to the US. I have visited my ancestral home and because I am strong in my mother tongue (Cantonese) and Putonghua (Mandarin), I have no difficulties communicating with my cousins from all over. Because I live in Malaysia, I am fluent in Bahasa, too, speaking the language without that distinctive Chinese accent.

5) My message in a nutshell, each and every ethnic group is unique in its own way and no single group is superior to another. Whatever your ethnic origin, Malay, Chinese, Indian etc, be proud of it. Know your origins, your diaspora or history, speak your mother tongue fluently and continue to pass on your unique culture and tradition to your next generation.

QUOTE(bani_prime @ Jun 29 2019, 12:11 AM)
My dear Chinese friends,
I find that this article....

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