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post Jun 29 2019, 01:12 AM

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Keep mandarin?!
Wtf!
That's the language of the Manchurian not of the Chinese!
I'll keep my hakka thanks.
The day we can piap and kahwin awek without forced conversion like Indonesia, sure I'll consider signing up my kids to assimilate. But as it stands, I'll do what the thai and Indonesian Chinese do which is to marry amongst themselves and mat salleh, look at how rich and hot the thai and Indonesian Chinese are.
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post Jun 29 2019, 02:27 AM

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Assimilate? What for?
They will still discriminate, like they do Indonesia.
Better to associate, aggregate and accumulate.

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post Jun 29 2019, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(kitzai @ Jun 29 2019, 10:49 AM)
Some points is quite true especially the mandarin language part. Its act as officially language during ching dynasty but most southerners didnt give shits.
Mother tongue that time more important,  like hainanese , fujien and so on coz majority of them cant even read.

Example my grandparents from Hainan, never said a single mandarin word in their lifetime.
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Ching dynasty is from Manchuria, and Mandarin is their language. Nothing to do with Chinese.
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post Jun 29 2019, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jun 29 2019, 10:34 AM)
Saya sangat suka bila cina sama cina gaduh.

Marvelous.
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Kalau meleis diminta berhujah. Sekejap mengamuk dia.
Kena tangkap pulis habis cerita.

Dengar cinis berhujah menghujah, kan lagi best. Banyak ding dong plot twist.

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post Jun 29 2019, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Financier @ Jun 29 2019, 12:50 PM)
His father/mother/grandparents must have worked very hard to get where they are currently in
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Jho is in the family business bah. Con and cheat.
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post Jun 29 2019, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Jun 29 2019, 01:55 PM)
So the initial chinese language was what...? Esp during shi shuang thi
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Mandarin is a recent language.
Before the manchurian invasion.
People spoke Archaic Chinese similar to Cantonese.
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post Jun 29 2019, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Nub! @ Jun 29 2019, 03:10 PM)
Dafuq scroll till my thumb putus
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 29 2019, 05:10 PM)
Lol.. no Mandarin is not Manchurian’s language.. certain words from Manchurian might have been assimilated into Mandarin ..  Mandarin has been in use since few dynasties before..
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All dynasties that use mandarin originate from the manchu la.
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Rayvoyal @ Jun 29 2019, 05:08 PM)
Why so butthurt?

Cannot take the good points and constructive argument/discussion from there?

Focus on a few inaccuracies and go to town tell author crawl back to whichever hole he came from.

He didn't say we chinese today want to go back china. He said our forefathers and ancestors. Today, the story is more complex, history is not the simple straightforward story we want it to be.

It's become something else, and while he puts forward the opinion that the grievance and misplaced loyalty should no longer be the main factor in keeping vernacular schools (which is good, imo), the jibe about quality is not strong.

This is a self-reflective piece, educative in its big picture narrative, and it is of course sending the message, i am willing to be self reflective, are you willing to be self reflective too?
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Self reflection is an internal matter not a public call to action. Do self reflect and internalise and keep it inhouse. K thanks bye.
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post Jun 29 2019, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 29 2019, 04:59 PM)
Shame or not is one thing but I dunno why only Chinese or mostly Chinese all over the world (except Chinese from China) like to use Christian names ... I think Thai, Korean, Indian, Japanese, Vietnamese names are equally hard to pronounce (some, not all)... but who cares... if u r important enough.. people have to learn to pronounce ..
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Ah that's why Britain fastest Marathon runner is called Mo Farah.
It totally makes sense now.
I bet they call you Bob at work, right Bob?

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post Jun 29 2019, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Rayvoyal @ Jun 29 2019, 05:23 PM)
Ya. Internal matter, which begs the question why he wrote in english to the 9% banana. Or if its to the bigger 20% that he claims only know Chinese, and doesn't know anything else.

Shud write in chinese and send to one of the dailies to stir an internal 20% shitstorm.
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You know, youmight have something there. Only a small number of bananas would care enough to roast the fella. People like me who have skin in the game, like my kids who go to sjkc.
Maybe he thinks bananas wouldn't mind intermarriage or casting aside Chinese culture for local pseudo Arab culture? But if you're male Chinese taking a malay wife shouldn't she follow your customs where possible and the kids would still be Chinese, right? Still no bumi privileges unlike the children of Bangladeshi +local or mat salleh + local.
At the end of the day, what is the result? You get mixed breeds that are not fully accepted in either culture. Just a like banana la. Lol
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post Jun 29 2019, 08:24 PM

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Try la he ask the meleis to be more Malaysian, cast aside their feudal mentality, their lackadaisical approach to nation building and work hard to excel in their traditional roles as tillers of the land when so much resources has been ploughed into securing our ricebowl and yet it is not quite self sufficient and also to level up socioeconomically in all fields of study.
Luckily bn is no more, if not this fella sure taken into protective tong simen custody already.
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post Jun 29 2019, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 29 2019, 07:46 PM)
I disagree on everything except the language and clothing. We are han Chinese should speak our native dialect first and second BM/BI and lastly is the invaders dialect mandarin. By speaking mandarin first you are a disgrace to your ancestors. Those who go around undermining their native dialect is an eyesore and their ancestors must be rolling in their graves.

So far when I converse with others in their native dialect, they never mention they are China people (chung kok yan) , they always call themselves or others as tang people(Tong yan) or some call themselves han people. We only refer prc as China people.

Same to those who go around telling others to wear the Northern invader's clothing.
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Yes!
I'm a hakka and try to speak to my kids. I fear it will go extinct in a generation or two. Ayam sad.
What's your dialect?
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post Jun 29 2019, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Jun 29 2019, 11:17 PM)
regarding dialect, i am not much worry about the extinction of my own, as i am canton decedent, and most of the time i deal with HK and Nanhai region people in business and meetings.
I don't think it will go extinct.
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Takkan Cantonese hilang Dari Dunia because Guangzhou still exists.
Haha

Hakka no fixed home address, so the future is less certain.

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