QUOTE(simplesmile @ May 23 2009, 09:43 PM)
Not a problem, but you should really explore and learn more if you are really into investing.REIT, real estate investment...
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May 24 2009, 12:02 AM
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May 27 2009, 11:50 PM
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May 29 2009, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(espree @ May 28 2009, 11:21 AM) It is not worth for me because I aim to achieve at least 9% net yield.QUOTE(darkknight81 @ May 29 2009, 01:00 PM) ATRIUM has liquidity issues and it has always been a quiet counter. Investors rather wait and see what they can do to improve the company portfolio rather than throwing money in to see another Ceva case. |
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Jun 1 2009, 03:25 AM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ May 31 2009, 10:54 PM) I beliv all the reits have low liquidity issues... and they have secure the ceva logistic tenants for the next 3 years .... 1100 lots? You bought that many? I beliv the current price weakness for atrium are due to their single portfolio of their properties... which is in warehouses only... .if economy turn worst ... whixch means all import and export will be affected... so can they still renew thweir tenant which are going to due next year....But at least i know 1 out of 4 properties tenants already renewed and with higher rate compare with last time from ceva of approximately 40k extra per month.......However.Risk is there for atrium... but i made up my mind to enter 1100 lots of atrium at 0.64 and 0.645 sen last friday... one of the reits fans now I'm holding only 10 lots bought last year, which I don't think I'm going to add unless they diversify. I am only aiming to accumulate more AXREIT or UOAREIT. QUOTE(tanmat @ Jun 1 2009, 12:16 AM) say someone buying at that prices last week and wondering who was that. ?? :-) Only 1.6 cents this time around? Well this is really going to dampen investors' confidence.I've been looking at this counter for some time, there is still ongoing dumping though. for what reasons not sure. Also, current yield is more like 10% as the last payout was only 1.6cents vs their normal 2cents +- |
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Jun 1 2009, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jun 1 2009, 12:59 PM) If the revaluation results in paper gain, then how do they distribute the earnings? Is the distribution by cash, or they give you additional units? How's the DPU calculated? simplesmile,Operation earnings: 40 Revaluation earnings: 60 Net earnings: 100 Distribution 90%: 90 Since the 60 paper gain is non-cash gain, where is the REIT going to find the cash to distibute? (PS: I'm looking at this like I'm seeing how companies distribute dividends.) Easier way to look at it is to look at the two types of earnings they get:- - Realised income (income received from rental or capital gain) - Unrealised income (paper gain through revaluation of properties) Meaning to say that the 90% is based on the realised income. Note that the net income comes from both realised and unrealised incomes. |
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Jun 9 2009, 11:46 AM
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The success of AXREIT securing the long term loan really has a great effect on its price. Today AXREIT flying
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Jun 9 2009, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 9 2009, 03:16 PM) If they do not pay out the minimum of 90% of their earnings as dividend, they will be subject to tax. And by the way, I think their rental income is definitely not enough to pay their loans in one lump sum. |
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Jun 9 2009, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 9 2009, 08:43 PM) Ops sorry my mistake That is the point. REITs with good fundamentals can secure a refinancing loan. That is why you see AXREIT investors are seeing this a positive sign. From here on, I think AXREIT is only going up as investors are anticipating another increase in profit end of next month.But i wonder y reits will find hard to refinance their loan eventhough some of their debts level are high. as long as their business can sustained and able to service their loan or pay their bond to their bond holders....As long as the company fundamental still maintain strong should be not hard to find loan . |
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Jun 10 2009, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(ooyah98 @ Jun 10 2009, 11:50 AM) hi all, TWRREIR's biggest shareholder is HLG if I am not mistaken. So, if they decided to move out of the building, it should mean that they have secured a new tenant. You could check the archived news from Bursa's website for the information.Noticed Tower REIT on a strong up trend since last 2weeks. Could you kindly share what is motivating the buying? Early this year they have some risk of getting new tenants since HL group decided to move out of one the building. Did they manage to secure a new tenant? ~Thanks a lot. |
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Jun 11 2009, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jun 11 2009, 01:05 PM) I'm thinking of putting money in a REIT for the first time, so I took some time today to read up some stuff on them. Since I was curious about their leverage and the total size of the various funds, I went ahead and calculated them. Leverage I calculated as Borrowings / Total Assets while sizes I calculated as Units in Circulation x Unit Price. I got Unit Price and Yield from http://mreit.blogspot.com/ "My biggest surprise was that Atrium is really tiny!"Here are my results: CODE NAME Â Â Â Â Â LEVERAGE Â YIELD Â Â SIZE AMFIRST Â Â Â 39.31% 10.011% Â 290 Million UOA Â Â Â Â Â 23.47% Â 9.831% Â 383 Million HEKTAR Â Â Â Â 40.80% 10.608% Â 289 Million AMANAHRAYA Â Â 33.62% Â 9.541% Â 310 Million AXIS Â Â Â Â Â 31.73% 10.400% Â 383 Million AL-AQAR Â Â Â 33.29% Â 6.452% Â 398 Million ATRIUM Â Â Â Â 24.71% Â 9.925% Â 80 Million QUILL CAPITAL 14.18% Â 8.761% Â 355 Million AL-HAHARAH Â Â 11.23% Â 6.066% Â 673 Million TOWER Â Â Â Â 17.85% Â 8.878% Â 274 Million My biggest surprise was that Atrium is really tiny! Plus some of these funds have really low leverage. I believe that the maximum leverage they're allowed is 50%. Finally, I don't understand why they are all trading at a discount to their NAV. Is it because investors don't believe in the valuations of their properties? There is no surprise at all as it has only 4 warehouses under its stable. "I don't understand why they are all trading at a discount to their NAV" Market's fear of a prolonged recession has hit REITs quite hard as property prices are very sensitive to recession. As soon as the crisis is clear, we should see REITs trading near/over its NAV. As to why some of them have low borrowings, I am not too sure about them because I am not interested in them. Perhaps they were able to repay their loans due to the issuance of new units. This practice is common among REITs. |
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Jun 12 2009, 11:18 AM
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Jun 16 2009, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(moorish @ Jun 15 2009, 01:31 PM) moorish,Please, please for goodness sake, KNOW what you are buying instead of just merely following. I know a few veteran members and I have been repeating this over and over again. |
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Jun 16 2009, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(moorish @ Jun 16 2009, 08:41 AM) I'm trying to learn, dig out some data from many blog about local reits and seem all are quite competitive. I'm not familiar with the industry, some I know are more on office, some on shopping and atrium I did study has 4 ware house their client mainly DHL as it took up 2 warehouse. And what attract me is they've full occupancy no empty warehouse and best part is the price has not jump yet. What I am trying to say is that don't just look at the "covers", look at the details. Do some simple calculations and analysis to see if the buildings are yielding reasonable income. In the case of ATRIUM, it has advantage and disadvantage. It could either have 100% occupancy, or 0% occupancy because its warehouses only house 1 tenant most of the time (except for one of its warehouses if I am not mistaken).Anyway now I'm stuck with DIALOG which I bought yesterday QUOTE(ts1 @ Jun 16 2009, 05:32 PM) Such a small drop, doesn't excite me |
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Jun 17 2009, 03:18 PM
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Jun 18 2009, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jun 18 2009, 04:40 PM) i bought !@1.48 liow.. So soon? Thought you would have waited a little longer, perhaps below 1.40 if market goes down to 1050 point. time for some high beta stock.. nibble and nibble.. if goes down to 1000 point, time to bite!!!! My TP stays at 1.38. QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jun 18 2009, 05:39 PM) Thanks for the tip. Will save my bullet until it reaches 1,000 points. I'm now 1/2 cash, 1/2 stock. Come to think of it, you are losing on brokerage if you do that (unless you are buying in excess of 20,000 units). Invest smarter next time.I sold my AXREIT today @ 1.50, may buy back again tomorrow... if it goes below 1.47 This post has been edited by Jordy: Jun 18 2009, 07:08 PM |
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Jun 19 2009, 01:25 AM
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Jun 19 2009, 04:16 PM
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Jun 19 2009, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jun 19 2009, 05:01 PM) Average out you earn RM 1,300 just by shaking leg. Aiyah, retire now la, no need to work anymore Currently I am only getting a quarter of that This post has been edited by Jordy: Jun 19 2009, 05:57 PM |
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Jun 20 2009, 02:16 AM
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QUOTE(espree @ Jun 19 2009, 06:33 PM) Oops, my mistake. I thought I saw RM 16,000 annually QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jun 19 2009, 07:02 PM) Mind letting us know what percentage of your net worth that constitutes? I could match that if I wanted to, but it would be like 95% of my net worth and the risk would scare me so much I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Why worry? Price go down I'm happier. Everyday I was hoping for AXREIT and UOAREIT to go down more Also, with your huge stake in the REITs, I'm sure everyone here would appreciate it if you gave a warning if you ever decide to unload it. |
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Jun 20 2009, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jun 20 2009, 09:33 AM) Yeah, but you need to actually be in a position to be able to buy them when the price goes down. It would be nice to have a couple of days warning for example so that I could move some money from a unit trust fund or something to free up money to buy REITs. On the other hand, if there are other people already planning to unload their stakes for whatever reason, I''m sure they wouldn't appreciate Neo dumping a whole load of them onto the market at the same time. Lol, you are saying as if Neo is the ONLY one having a large stake. If for whatever reason Neo decides to dump it, I believe the other major shareholders would dump as well (could be due to change in prospect or fundamentals). So, doesn't make any difference Big investors do not really warn the market when they are going to do a huge transaction. Life doesn't go that easily. That is why people always say, stock market is not for the faint hearted. |
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