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post Jan 22 2010, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(espree @ Jan 22 2010, 07:23 AM)
Good news that at least 50% of Nestle House would be taken up for a long-term lease, but we'll have to see the details of the agreement to evaluate the benefit. Another worry is the cost of the full refurbishment for Nestle House, which will affect the distributions for the next 2 quarters.
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post Jan 22 2010, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Jan 22 2010, 06:50 PM)
i am holding AXREIT share, how much dividend can they declare in a year? I bought it at rm 1.95, so 5 sen this time is too little.
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BrendaChee,

REITs normally declare dividends quarterly, except for some who have opted to declare semi-annually. AXREIT declares quarterly (about 4 sen each), so basically the potential annual distribution for AXREIT could be in the region of 16 sen.
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post Jan 23 2010, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 23 2010, 12:15 AM)
The one that delivered good recent Q announcement is Qcapital, 4.x cents DPU.  thumbup.gif
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cherroy,

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought QCAPITA announced 3.9 sen dividend this quarter?

QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Jan 23 2010, 01:31 AM)
i am waiting for sunway REIT, i think if i can get the ipo, sure can gain....any idea how much the price will be?
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BrendaChee,

Don't assume that you will surely gain. You and I don't have a crystal ball to predict that. Also, nobody can predict the IPO price.
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post Jan 26 2010, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jan 26 2010, 08:47 PM)
Thanks~  biggrin.gif

So for AXREIT, how to get its Net Dividend?
No matter how I count, I couldn't get the right figure... sweat.gif

AXREIT
Dividen Per Unit (Sen) -  15.27
Price -  1.82
Gross Dividend Rate (%) -  8.39
Net Dividend Rate (%) -  7.55
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jan 26 2010, 08:54 PM)
By the way, if purchase 10000 units of shares at RM1.82, then how much is the dividend?

10000 units X RM0.01527 = RM152.70 (Dividen Per Unit)

How to get its gross dividend rate and net dividend rate?
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debbieyss,

Your total purchase price (value) - RM1.82 x 10,000 = RM18,200
The total distribution - RM0.1527 x 10,000 = RM1,527.00
Your gross yield - RM1,527.00 / RM18,200 = 8.39%
Your net yield - RM1,374.30 / RM18,200 = 7.55%
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QUOTE(sohkeong @ Jan 30 2010, 10:16 PM)
anyway guys.. just wanna ask... everytime after dividend payout the price of REITS counter will drop much??? i just want to estimate the good entering price... gonna give 30% in portfolio to REITS for stable income.
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sohkeong,

Nobody can really predict the price movement. It is not uncommon for the price of REITs to rise after ex-dividend if investors perceived good news from the company.
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post Feb 2 2010, 08:05 PM

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AXREIT went ex today, yet still rose 1 sen, closing at 1.92 with a high of 1.95. This shows the support for the counter is still strong. ATRIUM will go ex on Thursday. I have a feeling that it will fare the same as AXREIT today.
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post Feb 20 2010, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(sohkeong @ Feb 20 2010, 02:47 AM)
Guys... a noob question from REIT newbie here

... i read somewhere in other forum / news that all REIT counter "COMPULSORY" to distribute out 90% of their profit as the dividend. when i browse through all the REIT , there are some confusion i need to make clear out
HEKTAR

EPS  = 11.61cent , Div = 10.61cent (OK!)

AMFIRST

EPS = 41.74cent , DIV = 8.75cent (ABNORMAL!)
Can someone explain to me why the dividend was so much different but AMFIRST EPS is 4x higher than HEKTAR but distribute lower dividend?
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sohkeong,

REITs are required to pay at least 90% of their REALISED earnings to be tax exempted at corporate level. As per your question, AMFIRST's EPS is made up of realised and unrealised profits. Unrealised profit is not considered as earnings, therefore it is not required to pay it out as dividend. Please check the individual quarterly report to find out the realised portion of the profit.
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post Feb 21 2010, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(sohkeong @ Feb 20 2010, 11:15 AM)
you mean realised profit is from rental collection and unrealised profit is from disposal of assets n etc?


Added on February 20, 2010, 11:32 amthx jordy, i just go through the annual report.. now i understand why the dividend so low due to realized profit EPS was just 8.75cent

but i dont understand why the adjustment of NAV value is considered part of the profit?? can explain further?
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sohkeong,

Realised profit is from rental income AND disposal of property. Many explanations have been given for unrealised profit.

QUOTE(sohkeong @ Feb 21 2010, 05:15 PM)
so comparing HEKTAR (low NAV increment , high dividend) vs AMFIRST (high NAV increment , low dividend).

which one good for long term investment??

If properties value increasing every year and also aggrasive acquistion by the group, very likely the dividend rate will increase year by year rite?
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For long term, you would want the NAV to keep increasing. Once they decide to dispose off the property, most likely the distribution would be higher due to extraordinary gain. An increasing NAV would also be an indication that the price of the counter would increase as well (share price is relative to the NAV).

Revaluation of assets does not mean higher/lower income, but if the group is aggressively acquiring yield accretive assets, then the dividend MIGHT increase.
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QUOTE(sohkeong @ Feb 21 2010, 05:52 PM)
any example of recent REIT counter that dispose property?

btw, i really headache now trying to evaluate which counter is best for my long term investment..

AMFIRST = 6 big asset , HEKTAR = 4 big asset

based on tenant occupancy rate , i think AMFIRST should be better than HEKTAR rite?

But why so many ppl like HEKTAR much more than AMFIRST?
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sohkeong,

Up to now, I do not know of any REITs disposing off any property. Reason being that the REIT industry has just been a little more than 3 years in Malaysia, and the main purpose of REIT is for long term investment, so they won't dispose their property if the yield is accretive.
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QUOTE(sohkeong @ Feb 21 2010, 11:10 PM)
divy payment date doesnt influence the popularity of REIT stock rite??

AMFIRST have summit USJ on hand now...and so far i like summit USJ because of TGV cinema , Fitness First , Bowling center , n lots of small small retail tenant.
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sohkeong,

Surprisingly, a lot of people prefer their REIT counters to pay dividend as frequent as possible. Like me, I want quarterly payout because I currently pay my car using the dividends. Soon, I am going to pay for my house using rental + dividend. That said, the frequency of payout is very important for my cashflow.
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QUOTE(sailou @ Mar 3 2010, 03:18 AM)
Hey guys, i plan to invest into REIT for dividend returns. Yes, i would prefer it quarterly and at least 5-7% returns per annum. Any good recommendation within the budget of 20-30k?
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sailou,

For that kind of return, any REIT would be a good buy for you. It depends on your personal preference as we have several sectors of REITs to choose from. There are the mixed REIT, plantation, hospitality, healthcare, office, industrial and retail. Invest in a sector you are familiar with. Don't worry as they all have almost similar yields.
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post Mar 13 2010, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Mar 13 2010, 10:50 PM)
Good deal ! rclxms.gif  Confirm to stop infront of Subang parade ?
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They are just using the land to build the track, but it is not confirmed that there will be a station where Subang Parade is. Besides, there is already a KTM station nearby, so even if the LRT were to stopover at that vicinity, it would not boost the visitor count a lot as KTM has wider reach than LRT.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 14 2010, 09:46 AM)
Yes I agree with you , the benefits could outweigh  the small potential loss.

Ya, probably bargaining for a station than for a better compensation . Logically it has to one ( Station ) , otherwise there is no way for people to embark, just a bypass. Normally,  a bypass line could be built  just above the road ( on the divider ) . More cost effective. { Added : Planned > Subang Parade could be a Connecting Station as per website attached below }

It is quite proven  that LRT does have some great impact on the businesses .

One area I could think of is Kenanga in KL.

Many smaller retailers are taking LRT to buy goods from the wholesalers. parking is a big problem there, not counting the time wasted.

The rentals there could be as high as rm 20,000 a month, and rental deposits could exceed 6 months to a year.
There could be other factors that I may not be aware of.

The other point is about Publicity . If Harta could put up some forms of info in its building to create some awareness of their REITS, it might help.

If TM could spend a couple of few hundred millions to associate with MU, why can't  Harta educate the public about its REIT ? The flow of human traffic is pretty  high as I could foresee.

Likes the Chinese saying "  if food can be eaten, do not waste."

Just my thought.
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QUOTE(mok thye yee @ Mar 14 2010, 04:28 PM)
i remember reading from newspaper that subang parade is one of the stop. i may be wrong, anybody can confirm on this ?

i am not sure how u do ur comparative analysis between KTM komuter and LRT.

definately LRT (the putra line) will be far better than KTM in term of ridership, frequency, ease of commuting.

KTM komuter may reach a longer distance but in term of station stop, LRT is more strategic and it is far more easier for the mass.

If the station is build with direct assess to subang parade, than it can lure the people along the putra line in the vicinity to visit subang parade. bear in mind this line will be extended to puchong and further south.

So subang parade will hv another big group of people visiting on top of the current middle upper class from the subang area.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 13 2010, 11:35 PM)
They are just using the land to build the track, but it is not confirmed that there will be a station where Subang Parade is. Besides, there is already a KTM station nearby, so even if the LRT were to stopover at that vicinity, it would not boost the visitor count a lot as KTM has wider reach than LRT.
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mok thye yee,

"definately LRT (the putra line) will be far better than KTM in term of ridership, frequency, ease of commuting."

"Based on our analysis, from the 360,000 ridership, 58 percent or 207,000 will come from rail and 42 percent or 153,000 will come from buses. The biggest contributors will come from rail, with KTM Komuter contributing around 95,000 passengers, Kelana Jaya LRT line 62,000 and Ampang LRT line 33,000," he said. [Source: http://www.mysinchew.com/node/32912]

"it can lure the people along the putra line in the vicinity to visit subang parade"

Based on what you are saying, only people commuting around the Putra line will be able to benefit from this, but people all across Klang Valley has been utilising the services of KTM to Subang for years. So even with the addition of LRT in the vicinity, the visitor count will not increase by much in my opinion (example, I have been commuting in KTM to Subang, now with the availability of LRT, all I have to do is to "switch" my preference). There WILL be people switching to LRT from the current KTM ridership, but mathematically does that increase the number of visitors?

Example scenario:

100 people use KTM to Subang before LRT is available. Once the LRT is operational, 30 people use KTM and 70 people use LRT.
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post Mar 15 2010, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(mok thye yee @ Mar 14 2010, 09:14 PM)
I dun think the Commuter line has much overlap to PUTRA.

We are talking about PUTRA line extend to subang parade, definately onli people commuting around PUTRA will benefit from this, how can people comute in STAR oso benefit ?? unless they change the train at masjid jamek.

But who want to travel from say maluri to masjid jamek and change the train to subang parade ???

All those current transport mode to subang parade is a given, so now u hv a new LRT, how can it be no addition to visitor to subang parade ? unless both line is 100% overlap, but this is not the case.

OK, back to subang parade.

Subang parade was once the largest or longest mall in SEA during 80s (86) i think, after so many year the mall is still relevant and vibrant and it is now position as sub urban mall target for people around subang area and tag as a middle to middle upper class mall. So now u add a new mode of transport which is the LRT that cut through some densely populated area from the other side of federal highway as well as further down. 

Yes may be some current visitor (who drive or take taxi or take bus or take KTM) may switch to LRT but there will be people who dun go to subang parade currently will consider going to subang parade using the putra line ......

so this will improve the visitation of subang parade, which will translate to higher rental yield and higher asset value....
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mok thye yee,

Indeed, I never ruled out the possibility of additional visitors to Subang Parade. That's why I mentioned in my post that the increase would not be as significant as what others might think. If it is going to be of great significance, why has HEKTAR's price remained? smile.gif

Of course, you can have your own opinion, and I have my own. There is no right or wrong. The reason I am posting this is because I want other members to consider such point before making a rash decision just because there might be an LRT station near Subang Parade.

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 14 2010, 10:19 PM)
Do not forget Subang Parade is planned as a CONNECTING STATION, additional advantage for people and the Parade  to have a rest and food or shopping before moving to the destination.
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SKY 1809,

You might be right, but might be wrong as well. There are already a few connecting destinations between Putra, Ampang and KTM, but not all are as popular as a stopover for commuters. It all depends on the distance one has to travel. I might be wrong as well, but my point is also worth considering as part of the analysis process.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 17 2010, 04:53 PM)
Thanks Cherroy. Besides that occupancy rates play an important role too. If you check on their current 4 properties, those with higher occupancy rates give better yields. The two proposed acquired properties occupancy rates is around 88% which is quite good. These are all the strong point for these two pcs of buildings.

RM 1.30 should be quite a good price to enter now i believe. But one thing we need to take note is i believe the gearing ratio will increase to around 40 over %.

Sifu please advice  notworthy.gif i believe you also entered quite a number of UOA REITS RIGHT  wink.gif
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darkknight81,

Allow me to comment a bit. The information you posted is really insufficient. A good analysis would have taken into account the current rental yield of the buildings, comparisons with surrounding buildings and average rental tenure of the tenants, and not the number of parking bays.

You mentioned that the gearing ratio for UOAREIT would rise to around 40%, which is alarming. I will be wary of companies with gearing of over 30%. A higher gearing rate would reduce our dividends, which is a negative issue for REIT investors.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Mar 19 2010, 04:12 PM)
darkknight81,

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