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Jordy
post Mar 5 2009, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Mar 4 2009, 08:01 PM)
received my AXREIT dividend of nett RM12200!!!
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Yay, Neo can treat us all for dinner now! tongue.gif

QUOTE(! Love Money @ Mar 5 2009, 06:28 PM)
WTA... in order to get that amount of dividend how much u invested in it?
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My simple calculation tells me that he has about 174,000 units or 174 lots of AXREIT. At current price of 1.28, the total value is RM222,720. Interested? tongue.gif

QUOTE(sportivo55 @ Mar 5 2009, 07:08 PM)
Anyone heard any news bout REIT in Malaysia issuing rights?....to reduce debts...?
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As far as I know, REITS do not issue rights, but they can increase their fund size by issuing new units to the public to pare down their gearing. Cherroy, please correct me if I am wrong smile.gif
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post Mar 6 2009, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Mar 5 2009, 09:29 PM)
got 27 lots today @1.28

jordy, its 1740 lots.... not 174lots.
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Haha ante5k, I am still using the "old" conventional conversion as I am more used to that tongue.gif
We old-time traders still use this until today so as not to confuse my remisier.

QUOTE(mo_meng @ Mar 5 2009, 11:14 PM)
next time if neo wanna sell pls tell us the small trader to offload first haha if not based on his high lots vol sure can press down price
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I don't think Neo would sell off his holding altogether. He loves his AXREIT too much that he could not stop accumulating smile.gif
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post Mar 7 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Mar 7 2009, 02:02 PM)
ya, i have about 185 lot.. because my average price is 1.19
now even more i got around 208lot liow.
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Lol, I mis-calculated by 11lots tongue.gif Did you reinvest your dividend?
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post Mar 8 2009, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo55 @ Mar 8 2009, 05:08 PM)
Cherroy,

In your opinion, what are the possible downside risks for M-REIT, besides the possible discontinuity of tenantship, and property price coming down?
What are the risks that could cause REIT to register losses...even with rental coming in?

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If businesses are going down and property prices depreciating, then tenants can opt to revise their rental rates lower during their renewal period. This would affect the rental income significantly in proportion to the property price. Earnings of REITs will be reduced by increasing interest rates as well, especially those with high margin.

But it is quite impossible for the REITs to register losses as the expenses for REITs are quite low. Their expenses consist of mainly quit rent and property maintenance costs. So as long as they still get full occupancy on their properties, REITs will still register positive cashflow.
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post Mar 10 2009, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Mar 10 2009, 11:36 AM)
all Reit's in Asia are in dirt shit now...Finance loan problem,thanks to credit crunch and all Banks tighten their loan.
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What are you talking about now? Your sentence does NOT make sense to anyone of us. You have not been spamming for a long time, and I hope it STAYS that way.
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post Mar 19 2009, 07:03 PM

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It seems that AXREIT is very strong at 1.28 sad.gif
Hoping for it to drop a little more so that I can go all in, sigh.
Guess I will have to have patience or just buy in now.
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post Mar 20 2009, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 19 2009, 09:23 PM)
If Axreit is getting renewal on most of its lease resulted DPU won't be dropping too much, I don't think it can easily sink.

With the news of Fed also purchasing long term treasuries to push down the yield in order to result in drop in mortgage rate and borrowing cost, globally, we see super duper low interest across, any investment that can carry high yield and able to sustain or not drop too much, it is an attracve force.
Money has nowhere to go right now.

Unless DPU of Axreit dropping due to non-renewal of lease and difficult to get new tenants to fill up then only then we can see it have another round of plunging.
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Right cherroy, I agree. I think it's time I reopen AXREIT's portfolio and have a look smile.gif
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post Apr 9 2009, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Apr 9 2009, 07:59 AM)
Reit can also be goreng  sweat.gif
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I don't see the reason why not. Any stocks listed can be speculated as long as you have the money.
Today, AXREIT went up again to 1.38. Too bad I just bought a few. Was actually waiting for it to go to 1.26 before I start to sapu. Sigh, guess it's not my luck unsure.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 17 2009, 09:21 AM)
Axreit new shareholder reporting in! entry price 1.40.

reserving some funds for averaging (in future), if needed.
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Ah Pana, welcome aboard. Didn't notice you have came on board until now tongue.gif
I am expecting a DPU of 3.2sen this time around (somewhat still in line with the both of you) biggrin.gif
I am also waiting for the price to drop to around 1.33 after the announcement.
That is when we might see another opportunity to buy some more smile.gif
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post Apr 19 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Apr 19 2009, 01:46 PM)
jordy .. if they announce >3sen with quarterly pay out as well, i dont see why the price drop to 1.33 also
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Well, all I can say, that is normal market reactions.

"if they announce >3sen with quarterly pay out"
The payout this time will be more than 3sen, but it won't be a lot more. 3.2sen for this quarter would equate to 8.3% net at current price of 1.39. That is a big drop from previous levels.
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post Apr 20 2009, 07:22 PM

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Of course it is good. If it is not good, why are we all watching it so closely? tongue.gif

ts1, I thought you bought AXREIT as well?
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post Apr 21 2009, 10:43 PM

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Well, looking forward I hope that the 19% lease expiry will not give us more negative news though. There's a lot there as this 19% represents 17.6% of the total rental income. After the ex-date, I am looking for another opportunity to grab more units.
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post Apr 27 2009, 07:26 PM

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I believe QCapita has more potential as their counterpart in Singapore is a huge developer. They have the experience and money, so I suppose they could have more diversified properties. The case involving ATRIUM has taught us all to buy REITs with more diversified properties.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Apr 29 2009, 10:59 PM)
One concern on reit is it is 100% invested in malaysia... Single country risk is there....So my view is don invest more than 30% in reits... who knows one day RM depreciate against other currency...
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Why worry about MYR depreciating against others, unless you are migrating? We earn in RM, we spend in RM, so no need to worry about exchange rates smile.gif

QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 30 2009, 10:38 AM)
Thanks. Excellent info  thumbup.gif .

Overall, I buying a REIT quite similar to buying a property for rental purpose then. Similiar concern on the location, rental yield, maintenance expenses.  nod.gif
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The benefit of buying REIT is that we don't have to worry about location, rental, and maintenance expenses. Another thing is by buying REITs, we can have higher net yield because we don't need to pay interest, and the ability of REIT managers to negotiate higher rental smile.gif

There's only one disadvantage, which is we lack the control as minority holders.
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post May 1 2009, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Apr 30 2009, 08:32 PM)
If RM depreciate that means high inflation especially imported stuffs....
wonder if reits able to  hedge against it or not....Just in case this things happen
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Lets put it this way. Have you ever thought what IF the situation is otherwise? The situation in US is shaky now, so is USD. RMB is going to create a bubble soon too (could be the next crisis?). The only safe bet now is Japan, where the interest is SO low your money is worth almost nothing. Well, what I am trying to say is that don't just think of it from one angle. During time of crisis, even a giant like US would go into trouble. Remember, this crisis wasn't started by us.

What we want to do now is to find an investment which is higher than inflation. As long as you have that, you don't worry than about MYR depreciating. We're only worried of another phase of this crisis, which is a deflation. But for now, it should not happen yet.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ May 1 2009, 08:06 PM)
Ok. noted. one question OT here which is actually my concern on my investment.... if i buy all ytl power... lets say RM really appreciate i may become loser .....

Seeing recently najib lift up the 30% equity quota for the bumis and loosen the quota for foreign investment... this will promote FDI... and RM by logic should appreciate if everything go smoothly...Pls advice....This is problem which i facing now... pls help sifu notworthy.gif
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Yes, higher FDI will definitely spur demand for MYR. If the financial situation in US deteriorates (or they print more money), then USD will definitely depreciate against MYR. I am not sure of YTLPOWER's portfolio, but if I remember correctly, they have no exposure in US. So, MYR may appreciate against US, but MYR could still hold against other currencies. Since YTLPOWER does not have any exposure in US, it still wouldn't affect its earnings (say, from Indonesia).

We have to see whether MYR appreciate because of higher demand OR USD depreciating. The former will affect earnings no matter which country it has exposure to, and the latter will affect earnings ONLY if it has exposure in US. You will need more study on this.

But in stock trading, it doesn't really matter about the currency (unless you are trading offshore). If you want better/direct exposure to currency, then you should go into Forex smile.gif You will only see minor effect of currency on stocks locally.

Just sharing my two cents. You must make your own decision.
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QUOTE(drsaleh @ May 4 2009, 12:48 PM)
hi
which of listed reits is/are syariah compliants?

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Ya, AXREIT is the only Syariah-compliant REIT that I know of at the moment.
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post May 9 2009, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 9 2009, 12:57 AM)
Amfirst is giving 4.48 sens.

~ Financial year end net profit 179.071 million (increased 471.87%)  - wow!
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Pana,

The net profit they reported is inclusive of a property revaluation which caused the increase of their values by RM 141.534 million. Of their net profit reported:-

- Only RM 37.537 million is their realised profit from rental income
- The rest of RM 141.534 million is unrealised profit caused by increase in valuation (which according to REIT regulation, they must declare as unrealised profit NOT distributable to shareholders)

Which means, AMFRIST needs to only distribute at least 90% of their realised profit. Therefore you can see their distribution at RM 37.529 million (very close to 100%).

For FY2010, there will be 43.7% of its leases expiring, out of which 10.63% comprise of Summit retail spaces. I believe Summit is the only property which relies on other tenants, as most of its properties are occupied by Ambank's subsidiaries. Even if the rental reversion is to be negative, it would not affect AMFIRST's bottomline a lot.

AMFIRST price has been very stable for the whole year through (0.8x), while its NAV has been upgraded to 1.32 from 1.00. This is a very good sign as the margin of safety has increased. Based on its price of 0.92 yesterday, the total net yield for the year was 8.4%. As of now, I still don't know if its earnings will be affected badly for FY2010 because it will depend on the rental reversions.

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QUOTE(mynewuser @ May 10 2009, 09:03 AM)
Why most REIT counter move so slow one?
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Understanding the business of REIT counters first is good for you. People invest in REITs mostly for income and not for profit. As what cherroy mentioned, their businesses deal in rental of properties and not trading of properties.
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QUOTE(espree @ May 11 2009, 09:40 AM)
can anyone provide me the link of hektar dividend announcement?
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For your information, http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/li.../historical.jsp

EDIT:
The latest distribution has not been announced yet, so the link I gave you was the previous distribution.

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