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cherroy
post Feb 26 2009, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Feb 26 2009, 07:48 PM)
It has been hovering around this price for way too long. Still couldn't get it as the volumes are so low! sad.gif I ope I can get in @ 1.26 at least though, then I am safe.
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Reit in Malaysia is a bit illiquid and less being traded. You only see price going down in major way when there are some major players divest or invest in it, just like previous Axreit slide all the way from 1.40 level to 1.00. Once the selling finish, it stablise back, until got new major development and new big players buy or sell. Otherwise, it just hovering here and there with low volume and potential surge when they are going to distribute the DPU.
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post Feb 26 2009, 11:10 PM

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I believe the REITs in Malaysia stagnant because there isn't much growth in their revenues or 'landbank'. Since their revenues are quite predictable as well as their DPUs, there isn't much room for them to be speculated. You could say this is the most efficient market in KLSE at the moment. It's like everyone knows how much it will earn and how much dividend it will give, so there isn't any point chasing up the price unless there is wide talk or rumours of M&A.


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post Feb 26 2009, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Feb 26 2009, 11:10 PM)
I believe the REITs in Malaysia stagnant because there isn't much growth in their revenues or 'landbank'. Since their revenues are quite predictable as well as their DPUs, there isn't much room for them to be speculated. You could say this is the most efficient market in KLSE at the moment. It's like everyone knows how much it will earn and how much dividend it will give, so there isn't any point chasing up the price unless there is wide talk or rumours of M&A.
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Upside for reit is rather limited can capped by its NAV.

Reit is more a dividend yield play only. If one intends to look for major capital appreciation side, then reit is not good place to be.
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post Feb 26 2009, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 26 2009, 11:12 PM)
Upside for reit is rather limited can capped by its NAV.

Reit is more a dividend yield play only. If one intends to look for major capital appreciation side, then reit is not good place to be.
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At the moment this logic seems to be true. But the environment could change, i.e legislation could allow a REIT to also be a developer...or be involved in some other property related business...this might affect the capital appreciation or depreciation probability of the REIT.

Seeing how the current global financial architecture looks shaky, perhaps some new development will affect REEITS positively or negatively.

But for now, I agree that REIT is a rather steady dividend play.


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post Feb 26 2009, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo55 @ Feb 26 2009, 11:33 PM)
At the moment this logic seems to be true. But the environment could change, i.e legislation could allow a REIT to also be a developer...or be involved in some other property related business...this might affect the capital appreciation or depreciation probability of the REIT.

Seeing how the current global financial architecture looks shaky, perhaps some new development will affect REEITS positively or negatively.

But for now, I agree that REIT is a rather steady dividend play.
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I disagree to change the legislation allow reit to be a developer, as if it does, then they are no different than ordinary property company already. I would dump reit because of it. smile.gif
Their share price might rise because of it, but I don't like it at all.

What we want from reit is dividend play, somehow like owning a property and rent it out. If they are involving as developer, then its risk no longer the same and become higher already, although capital appreciation potential become higher.
If involving as developer then they need to conserve cash which by then they no longer distributing their rental income at 90% level.
I like reit because they will distribute at least 90% of the earning/rental income in order for them to get a tax exemption.
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post Feb 27 2009, 08:09 AM

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After dumping my axreit it seems no chance for me to buy back again doh.gif
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post Feb 27 2009, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Feb 27 2009, 08:09 AM)
After dumping my axreit it seems no chance for me to buy back again  doh.gif
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refer to ur 1st rule, 忍 tongue.gif
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post Feb 27 2009, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Feb 27 2009, 08:09 AM)
After dumping my axreit it seems no chance for me to buy back again  doh.gif
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With FD rate is heading 1.5%, (BNM is expected to cut until 1.5%), this factor alone is enough to support dividend stocks.
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post Feb 27 2009, 06:45 PM

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axreit, thinking of going in at around 1.27/28 next week.
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post Feb 27 2009, 10:50 PM

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It ady at 1.28 today
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post Feb 28 2009, 04:47 PM

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it was there but no enough seller ... i dont want partial match.
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Feb 28 2009, 04:47 PM)
it was there but no enough seller ... i dont want partial match.
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Haha, how many lots are you looking to buy this time? I believe you're looking at 300 lots? tongue.gif

What you guys think of the coming mini-budget? Would there be any stimulus which could boost property demand here? Do you think the mini-budget could stir up interest in REITs? Hoping to buy in before March 10 just in case they announced some goodies for REITs smile.gif
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post Mar 1 2009, 03:24 PM

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Atrium yield will be dropping in the coming Q due to Ceva (its tenant) has ceased leasing one of its warehouse. Company need to find the new tenant in order to maintain the previous yield/DPU.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 1 2009, 03:24 PM)
Atrium yield will be dropping in the coming Q due to Ceva (its tenant) has ceased leasing one of its warehouse. Company need to find the new tenant in order to maintain the previous yield/DPU.
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So, now is a good time to average down or buy other reits? Please advise, thank you.

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post Mar 1 2009, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(espree @ Mar 1 2009, 03:33 PM)
So, now is a good time to average down or buy other reits? Please advise, thank you.
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Difficult to say, if Atrium able to find new tenant, then its yield is pretty good though around 12%.
If not, then yield probably will drop to around 6~8%.

That's why its price can't go up (or sink from 0.80 level to now 0.6x) despite having high yield previously because lease is expiring.

If they are getting new reputable and long term tenant with good price, then its price might be boosted by the news.

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post Mar 3 2009, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 1 2009, 05:42 PM)
Difficult to say, if Atrium able to find new tenant, then its yield is pretty good though around 12%.
If not, then yield probably will drop to around 6~8%.

That's why its price can't go up (or sink from 0.80 level to now 0.6x) despite having high yield previously because lease is expiring.

If they are getting new reputable and long term tenant with good price, then its price might be boosted by the news.
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Thank you cherroy for the info. I guess I just have to wait for the good news.
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QUOTE(espree @ Mar 3 2009, 04:18 PM)
Thank you cherroy for the info. I guess I just have to wait for the good news.
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Why wait for the good news? Even if the yield falls to 7%, it's still much better than FD. When it rebounds after they successfully found a new tenant, then you will be earning a lot more due to appreciation.
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post Mar 3 2009, 08:42 PM

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post Mar 3 2009, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 3 2009, 08:31 PM)
Why wait for the good news? Even if the yield falls to 7%, it's still much better than FD. When it rebounds after they successfully found a new tenant, then you will be earning a lot more due to appreciation.
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DHL is going to expire soon on 31 Dec, 2009. I worry might drop further. Worth to average mah? or safer bets should be axreits or stareits, right? Please advise, thank you.
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post Mar 3 2009, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(ts1 @ Mar 3 2009, 08:42 PM)
just got my peasant dividend from axreit tongue.gif
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yeah got it also yest


Added on March 3, 2009, 9:06 pmneo should happier than we do

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