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The closure is the real caveat here

pandainya ustad kopitiam

summary please and who is that guy?

No need to look that detail. Tapai cukuplah.

when you try to look smart but just show how ignorant you are

No wonder sedap, its haram !

Bros really not knowing clickbait unless they are highlighted first smh

sigh.

inilah dia.... orang tiba2 nak jadi specialist islam

alcohol from yeast is 100% confirm halal.

the turning point is not the ratio or grams

its about, if you eat large amounts of bread, can you get intoxicated?

if the answer is no, its halal.

if the answer is yes, its haram

its really as simple as that.

fcuking shit trying to put flame on oil. go back and bark to your own UMNO dogs man. cilaka anjing kuripan berputar.

This post has been edited by Nachiino Etamay: May 21 2019, 10:43 AM

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Ni lah jadi kalau orang tak bijak dan virgin bercakap. “Alcohol from yeast 100% confirm halal.” Then alcoholic beer is halal

If one drinks large amount of beers and still not intoxicated, then halal lah?

Dah lah bodoh, virgin pulak tu.

Then does this apply to other products that might use porcine molecules like gelatin or certain medicines? By your logic, the good book says not to eat pigs because they live in an unclean environment and is bad for health if overindulged. But like you say, using products with haram elements may not be overindulgence, so why are people so against it?

Habislah. mekdi jadi harambe

According to your logic jadi kalau minum satu titik beer ok la tu. Hahal kan?

Kalau masih tak halal maknanya hypocritic la yg bread tu halal tapi yg beer to tak halal.

isnt it about the percentage of alcohol or something iinm

im too lazy to watch the vid though

You need to eat 1400 bread equal to 1 can of beer , which means soy sauce you cannot ,eat belachan also cannot eat ,as long all fermentation food not allowed to eat , well I respect the religious or allergies etc but I mean nothing I can explain or say

i think we should differentiate drunk issue. if drink without drunk is acceptable. right?

Kalau minum tak mabuk, halal ke

drink lots of beer = intoxicated

hence drinking a titis of beer is haram

eat lots of bread = not toxicated

hence eating a titis of bread is not haram

eating lots of pig = haram

hence eating a titis of pig = haram.

sigh... susah betol nak explain.

the point is, its not about "just because you spilled a bottle of wine in the river, i wont eat a lembu which drink from the river"

its about you "having a bottle of wine in your house". and thats why its haram.

based on these principles, alcohol in existing ready-made products which dont intoxicate like soya sauce and bread is fine.

But if you friggin have a bottle of wine in your house, to make bread for whatever friggin reason, that bread can be haram or at the very least hyper borderline makruh


its super hard to explain to all this new-borned islamic specialists cum aviation specialists 3-years ago.

but yeah. the general principles are like that. no point measuring in grams or %.

This post has been edited by Nachiino Etamay: May 21 2019, 11:05 AM

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TAJUK :
Penentuan Kandungan Alkohol Yang Dibenarkan Dalam Makanan Dan Minuman


OLEH :

Mesyuarat Jawatankuasa Perunding Hukum Syarak Negeri Pahang Kali Ke-6/2011, Pada 30 Disember 2011



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Mesyuarat memutuskan :

Setiap minuman arak adalah mengandungi alkohol. Walaubagaimanapun bukan semua alkohol itu adalah arak. Alkohol yang diperolehi dari proses pembuatan arak, hukumnya haram dan najis.
Manakala alkohol yang diperolehi bukan melalui proses pembuatan arak hukumnya tidak najis, tetapi haram (tidak boleh) diminum dalam bentuk aslinya kerana ia adalah racun dan boleh membunuh
Minuman ringan yang boleh diproses/dibuat bukan dengan tujuan untuk menghasilkan arak dan mempunyai alkohol di bawah aras 1%v/v adalah harus (boleh) diminum.
Manakala minuman ringan yang dibuat dengan niat dan cara yang sama seperti proses membuat arak, samada mengandungi banyak atau sedikit alkohol atau alkoholnya disuling adalah haram diminum.
Makanan atau minuman yang mengandungi alkohol secara semulajadi seperti buah-buahan, kekacang atau bijirin serta perahannya, atau alkohol yang terkandung itu terjadi secara sampingan semasa proses pembuatan makanan atau minuman adalah tidak najis dan harus (boleh) dimakan/diminum.
Makanan atau minuman yang mengandungi bahan perisa atau pewarna yang mengandungi alkohol untuk tujuan penstabilan adalah harus (boleh) digunakan sekiranya alkohol itu bukan dihasilkan dari proses pembuatan arak dan kuantiti alkohol dalam produk akhir itu adalah tidak memabukkan dan kadar alkohol tidak melebihi 0.5%.
Ubat-ubatan dan pewangi yang mengandungi alkohol sebagai bahan pelarut adalah tidak najis dan diharuskan sekiranya alkohol tersebut bukan diambil melalui proses pembuatan arak.
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Simpan BODOH tu bhai. Ikut sedap mulut aje cakap roti haram.

iinm the purpose of which the item is created matters. If you create an alcoholic drink, fully knowing that it contains alcohol or any other substance that can make you drunk, then it is haram. Food processes often introduce microorganism that can create ethanol, but the intent of creating such food is not to make one drunk, so it is permissible.

The caveat falls into a gray area when food like tapai is made. The tapai itself is made using fermentation process, in line with how alcoholic drinks are made. The desired end result is sweet rice, therefore ideally the process is stopped before substantial ethanol is produced by the yeast. However, the ethanol content can be quite high, some even similar with alcoholic beer you can find in shops. Worse still, the fermentation process is not regulated, so you can’t know for sure how much ethanol is in it.

Use your own judgment on this. Also, muftis have said tapai is permissible, so..don’t want to comment on that.

Ref: http://psasir.upm.edu.my/id/eprint/19918/

all akcohol is 100% make from yeast,.. beer, red/white wine, cognac, vsop ,whisky, chinese rice wine, rum, vodka...

The alcohol is burned off during baking, right. So what's the problem? If the issue is the presence of alcohol in very minute amounts also a problem then these people shouldn't be breathing since there is way more alcohol in the air. The air is also haram.

Inkambing non muslims explaining to Muslims about Islam.

throw bread into mosque ?

not everyone drink to get drunk... so is it permissible?

Semua ini agenda yahudi


Owai...

No

life is sad without alcohol

I know

Spesis ni riding on vehicle also can be haram because some people can get 'mabuk' riding on it.

great, later can put at club bar

Pandai TS, ustaz /k bertauliah dari celah mazhab mana you datang?

alcohol itself is not haram like how pig and dog themselves haram to their every tissue and cell. having a drop of alcohol and know for sure not even a single person getting drunk for it at all doesnt make it haram.
also alcohol have many usage
like alcohol swab and so on. not haram
unlike pig or dog skin use for rub are haram

You eat large amount of food cooked using cooking wine also won’t get you intoxicated yet you call it haram

Bet you won’t reply me on this

This post has been edited by proton_man: May 21 2019, 11:50 AM

Support.

If i cook chicken using western punya recipe, put wine when frying the chicken then halal or haram?

If i eat the chicken it will not make me drunk, so halal?

When we say 'wine' it is haram, so u mix halal ingredient with haram, so become haram.
If u mix with 'alcohol' it will be different stories.

tak mabuk


so no weed lor. even madey know this wont support u

follow the principles

its not about "just because you spilled a bottle of wine in the river, i wont eat a lembu which drink from the river"

its about you "having a bottle of wine in your house"


if you end up having a bottle of wine in your house, to cook chicken, it doesnt matter if the alcohol is evaporated or not.

its simply haram.


and there is a huge caviat over all this. if in doubt, assume haram.

mod please mute ts

No wonder I got dizzy after eating bread

Here the answer.

Source:
http://muftiwp.gov.my/ms/artikel/irsyad-fa...peratus-alkohol

what alcohol can use to cook chicken? as a substitute for wine?

I am too lazy to properly read all the arguments in this thread. No use arguing on something vague which includes a random youtube video.

In my opinion just follow Jakim recommendation. A product got halal logo? Confirmed halal.


Product dun have halal logo? Not necessary haram, its up to your judgement. The rule is: if was-was(doubtful) then feel free to skip it.

TS, just because you copy paste a youtube video doesn't instantly makes a foodstuff haram. Please submit your findings to Jakim for further action if there is even any. Then we talk.

not sure if there are other meaning to najis but do you find it insulting and derogatory?

post lah semua..why misquote?


Setiap minuman arak adalah mengandungi alkohol. Walaubagaimanapun bukan semua alkohol itu adalah arak. Alkohol yang diperolehi dari proses pembuatan arak, hukumnya haram dan najis.

Manakala alkohol yang diperolehi bukan melalui proses pembuatan arak hukumnya tidak najis, tetapi haram (tidak boleh) diminum dalam bentuk aslinya kerana ia adalah racun dan boleh membunuh.

Minuman ringan yang diproses/dibuat bukan dengan tujuan untuk menghasilkan arak dan mempunyai alkohol di bawah aras 1%v/v adalah harus (boleh) diminum.

Manakala minuman ringan yang dibuat dengan niat dan cara yang sama seperti proses membuat arak, sama ada mengandungi banyak atau sedikit alkohol atau alkoholnya disuling adalah haram diminum.

Makanan atau minuman yang mengandungi alkohol secara semulajadi seperti buah-buahan, kekacang atau bijirin serta perahannya, atau alkohol yang terkandung itu terjadi secara sampingan semasa proses pembuatan makanan atau minuman adalah tidak najis dan harus (boleh) dimakan/diminum.

Makanan atau minuman yang mengandungi bahan perisa atau pewarna yang mengandungi alkohol untuk tujuan penstabilan adalah harus (boleh) digunakan sekiranya alkohol itu bukan dihasilkan dari proses pembuatan arak dan kuantiti alkohol dalam produk akhir itu adalah tidak memabukkan dan kadar alkohol tidak melebihi 0.5%.

Ubat-ubatan dan pewangi yang mengandungi alkohol sebagai bahan pelarut adalah tidak najis dan diharuskan sekiranya alkohol tersebut bukan diambil melalui proses pembuatan arak.

TLDR: this roti no problem one lah

This post has been edited by reed90: May 21 2019, 12:16 PM

najis here is just a term: means ritually unclean

Included: wine and other spirituous drinks, dogs, swine, dead animals that were not ritually slaughtered, blood, excrements, and the milk of animals whose meat Muslims are not allowed to eat

good to know but it doesnt sound related to poop..

ko kalo bm ke laut jgn nk tunjuk pandai
mabuk nek kenderaan ade ke smpi bleh rogol bunuh ap sume tu?
cmtu sok bini ko pregnant klu die morning sickness kire ank ko tu ank haram la sbb wt bini ko mabuk

najis=poop is just literal meaning


if go by definition wine also considered as najis. lel

only for muslims dictionary tho.

bro tolong pergi workshop kasi betul sarcasm meter

free je sekarang

Makluk manusia jenis lebih alim dari semua paling byk drama, byk confuse

Suka ikut, Tak suka beribu dalih

That is what I meant. Tak faham ke apa ni?

ahaha on a fair note.... this is one small example why it makes non not happy la...

its not about giving in to anyone but sometimes its about not causing misunderstanding in the very first place.

HAHA

Macam pandai.

Scholar taik.

ahaha

sorry bout that, tho.

can't help with the definitions part.

it came from the arabic word and just ported out in BM liddat.

najis came from the arabic word which meant unclean for muslims.

Tapai

Lah inipun jadi isu. Lepastu ada nons acah2 tau halal haram lah pulak.

Lepastu nak berhusnuzon .... tak lah.

if i drink but not drunk, halal or not halal?

not halal.

drinking thing that could make you drunk in the first place.

Dulu masa aku tgh research pasal halal haram "nattõ" (tapai kacang soya)

Ada mengatakan yg... Alcohol... Yg klua secara natural eg. Fermentation yeast... + Dgn niat utk makan atau lain2. = Halal

Alcohol, by natural means + for the purpose of intoxication = haram.

Hence tapai pulut, tapai ubi, tapai kacang soya = halal ( tapai basi boleh membuat kita mabuk... So haram)

Whilst arak = haram



Not sure about cooking alcohol... Pretty sure haram

this is exactly right. Islam prohibits alcohol because it is intoxicating. the word used is khamr.

Jurists from the Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali legal schools have traditionally viewed it as general term for any intoxicating beverage made from grapes, dates, and similar substances.[2] Hanafi jurists restricted the term to a narrower range of beverages.[2] Over time, some jurists classified other intoxicants, such as opium and qat, as khamr, based on a hadith stating:

The Holy Prophet said: every intoxicant is khamr, and every khamr is forbidden.

Khamr is haram and khamr is defined by the prophet as an intoxicant.

if the quantity is too small to intoxicate, it is not haram. but, that doesnt mean you can consume alcohol willy-nilly. you have to actively avoid consuming intoxicants where it is practical.

social entertainment and taste experimentation ??... my opinion, as a non muslim stand point,.. as drinking not for drunken..

but i plan to go to hell.

so hardcore one

social entertainment = intoxicated.

all muslims are taught to always read the basmallah before we do anything. this is a kind of self-audit. the basmallah literally means, "in the name of Allah.."
so if im about to eat, i say "in the name of Allah, <i eat>". if you practice this, there is no point in life where you would do anything contrary to Islamic teachings.
"in the name of Allah, <i steal a wallet from the bathroom>"
"in the name of Allah, <i sip alcohol>"

what usually happens is, if you plan on doing something against islamic teachings, like taking injecting heroin, you will auto think of saying basmallah but then you catch yourself. i cant say basmallah for this. then you have a moment to think about whether you want to proceed this path or not. idiots might just do it anyway but ppl who stop and think, might cancel their intent.

so i can eat roti john buka puasa.

but as my understanding on previous post,.. Islam isn't prohibit alcohol,.. just prohibit intoxication,..

how is social entertainment is intoxicated ??.. people entertain guest or host,.. must get drunk ??

i also don't even understand why hardcore muslim wanna ban alcohol,.. or even afraid of alcohol,.. when mouth wash alcohol also won't intoxicate..

This post has been edited by Cincai lar: May 21 2019, 01:19 PM

mouth wash alcohol is fine.

from my understanding, social entertainment means people acting in a way that they would not usually act if they are sober. this is a symptom of intoxication.

all pakar islam

ohwai muslims era end of time also another

Seems legit


Because jews dont consume fermented bread on certain important occasions

No money buy = haram

Got money buy = halal

Korang nons acah2 provoke pegi la tered Islamic kat Serious Kopitiam ada la orang jawab elok2.

Ni takat nak score brownie points takde sapa nak hadap. Malas. Bulan puasa tak guna hempas2 keyboard.

huh ??... u never host any event b4 ??.. not even family event ??..

Your Hari Raya open house is a social entertainment,.. u entertain people,..

Tapai pulut sedap ..

Man made rules for men

Argue away

let me put it this way, why drink beer instead of non-alcoholic beverages in these social events? if there is an alternative to alcohol available which does not risk intoxication, then why take the risk?

mods pun tidurr je kerje nye.

how is 1 or 2 sip of beer risk intoxicated ???...

u been condemning social entertainment,...do u even know what social entertainment means ??

i would entertain people to drink their weird cucumber juice,.. even i don't like it,.. there's no forced in social entertainment,.. whether u do it ,.. or u not,..

....

apart of social entertament,.. then how about for taste experimenting,..??.. it won't risk intoxication too ??

This post has been edited by Cincai lar: May 21 2019, 02:55 PM

Kau ingat depa kisah?

relax, dude. im trying to understand your argument. i just dont get why you would want to drink 1 or 2 sips of beer. what is the purpose? what would you achieve? even for social entertainment, why drink 1 or 2 sips?

since muslim dunno what is social entertaining,..then what about taste testing ??

This post has been edited by Cincai lar: May 21 2019, 03:00 PM

the general argument is alcohol in drinks have no purpose but to be intoxicated.

again, what is the intent of taste testing? if you cant drink it properly, why taste test?

Plotek plotek

Not really, i'm just watching this tered munching popcorn and trying to understand it. Don't dare to comment much because i'm not expert in it..

Kne ade DNA alkohol dlu bru caya

the purpose of taste is appreciation of combination of food and beverage,...

since Islam didn't prohibit alcohol,.. only prohibit intoxication,.. is tasting food cook with alcohol is wrong ??...or is tasting beer/whisky/wine/cognac wrong ??...

what if i drink 10 cocktail glass and still not drunk

is halal rite?

how izit no purpose ??... it created civilization,..

it's intoxicating and still haram nonetheless.

pernah dengar tak ‘mencegah lebih baik dari mengubati’

sebotol haram setitik pon haram tu sebenar nak mencegah dari umat Islam dari minum langsung arak ni.

your previous post saying alcohol no purpose,.. now say haram,..

u didn't read my reply of other reply ??.. he said islam never prohibit alcohol,.. only prohibit intoxication,.. thats why bread is not haram,.. so alcohol is haram or not ??.. can eat bread or not ??.. if can eat bread,.. then can eat druken chicken or not,..

ohh... btw,.. alcohol got many medicinal use,.. drink red wine reduce your heart attack rate,...u don't need to be intoxicated,..

i already said alcohol in drinks serve no purpose other than intoxicating hence it's haram. it's the other properties of red wine that's beneficial not the alcohol.