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Jay Chua CC
post Jan 5 2021, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Jan 5 2021, 10:51 AM)
I was quoted by a SA, extending the hybrid battery for 2 years package priced at RM2200, worth to take?
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imo. used, worth it since the first owner take a whole lot of depreciation already. New, nah I passed
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post Jan 5 2021, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Jan 5 2021, 06:05 PM)
imo. used, worth it since the first owner take a whole lot of depreciation already. New, nah I passed
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I have heard stories of 330e is more unreliable compare than 318i

Not sure should choose which one πŸ˜‚
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post Jan 5 2021, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Jan 5 2021, 07:05 PM)
I have heard stories of 330e is more unreliable compare than 318i

Not sure should choose which one πŸ˜‚
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the 330e torque whole new level compared to 318.
Anyhow, need to standby at least a jap or myvi for both of the bmw pun. lol
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post Jan 5 2021, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ Jan 5 2021, 08:44 PM)
the 330e torque whole new level compared to 318.
Anyhow, need to standby at least a jap or myvi for both of the bmw pun. lol
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post Jan 5 2021, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Jan 5 2021, 08:05 PM)
I have heard stories of 330e is more unreliable compare than 318i

Not sure should choose which one πŸ˜‚
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I would recommend to at least go for 320i. 4 cylinder engine is way more better and common in term of spare parts compare to 3 cylinder engine.

For sure non hybrid will be more reliable and less issue due to less parts involved.
If you want even less issue go get the turbo diesel model 320D, even less sensor and wiring compare to petrol counterpart.

The torque of the 320D can almost match of 335i petrol with almost 380~400Nm torque @ 1,750–2,750 rpm, losing only on hp (180hp vs 300hp - 335i)

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 5 2021, 10:08 PM
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post Jan 6 2021, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 5 2021, 10:04 PM)
I would recommend to at least go for 320i. 4 cylinder engine is way more better and common in term of spare parts compare to 3 cylinder engine.

For sure non hybrid will be more reliable and less issue due to less parts involved.
If you want even less issue go get the turbo diesel model 320D, even less sensor and wiring compare to petrol counterpart.

The torque of the 320D can almost match of 335i petrol with almost 380~400Nm torque @ 1,750–2,750 rpm, losing only on hp (180hp vs 300hp - 335i)
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yup...
2016 320i LCI
if TS has the budget, 2016 330i LCI
or 320d LCI with B47 engine

318i wise is decent with 136hp, but the car weight 1500kg..
136hp is like Corolla 1.8, Civic 1.8 kind of power. but the 2 Japanese cars weight 200kg less

while 118i is just nice with the 1.5 B38, it is smaller lighter car with shorter wheelbase.

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post Jan 6 2021, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Sep 9 2020, 09:24 AM)
Did you have the sticky rubberized door handles ?
I heard this was a common issue on the Pre-LCI F30s.
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There are few options you can easily fix with the rubberized door handles.
OEM replacement are now readily available online for DIY.
I did some research and opt for the easy fix, a cover to slide over the handles. It fits well and not obvious.
https://shopee.com.my/(Ready-Stock)-BMW-F30...2205.2087697428

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The other option of replacing the handles requires removing the handle, not easy and you would break some clips.

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post Jan 7 2021, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Sep 9 2020, 09:24 AM)
Did you have the sticky rubberized door handles ?
I heard this was a common issue on the Pre-LCI F30s.
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Yeah mine all 4 kena so I bought the snap ons like dudester mentioned above.

I have a video on how it works below - (link to purchase is in the video too, about Rm60 for one pair only)

https://youtu.be/Ju_snmyTxJE
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post Jan 7 2021, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 6 2021, 10:56 AM)
yup...
2016 320i LCI
if TS has the budget, 2016 330i LCI
or 320d LCI with B47 engine

318i wise is decent with 136hp, but the car weight 1500kg..
136hp is like Corolla 1.8, Civic 1.8 kind of power. but the 2 Japanese cars weight 200kg less

while 118i is just nice with the 1.5 B38, it is smaller lighter car with shorter wheelbase.
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You forgot B38 engine has 220nm from very low RPM, while the civic/corolla has only 170nm+ from 4000RPM. It's the low end torque that determines the daily drivability. You dont always drive at 6000RPM to make use of the max HP figure
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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Jan 7 2021, 10:22 AM)
You forgot B38 engine has 220nm from very low RPM, while the civic/corolla has only 170nm+ from 4000RPM. It's the low end torque that determines the daily drivability. You dont always drive at 6000RPM to make use of the max HP figure
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But BMW wor... just daily drive only meh.. lol
Anyway, the car still weight 1500kg..
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post Jan 7 2021, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 7 2021, 02:59 PM)
But BMW wor... just daily drive only meh.. lol
Anyway, the car still weight 1500kg..
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Maybe some ppl drive on highway alot, but I think for those that mostly do city drives, 220nm at revs between 1k to 3k is more than enough.

220nm is enough to push the car up genting comfortably with revs around 2k - 3k rpm. For cars with N/A 2.4 with 230nm, you'll probably be screaming at 4k+ rpm all the way up
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post Jan 7 2021, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Jan 7 2021, 04:06 PM)
Maybe some ppl drive on highway alot, but I think for those that mostly do city drives, 220nm at revs between 1k to 3k is more than enough.

220nm is enough to push the car up genting comfortably with revs around 2k - 3k rpm. For cars with N/A 2.4 with 230nm, you'll probably be screaming at 4k+ rpm all the way up
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220nm torque is sufficient for city driving, between 0 to 80km/h
once you hit the highway, power matters especially if you want to accelerate from 80 to beyond 100km/h, over taking lorry and slow moving cars. You will feel that you need to work a lot on the engine to move the car just a little bit faster when power to weight ratio is insufficient. For 2.4NA, the power that helps to sustain high speed.

If you look at some of the drag race (of course I am not promoting to drag race) between a Turbo car (high torque, lower power) and an NA car (lower torque, high power), Turbo cars always start off quicker but at high speed, the NA with higher power will over take.
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 7 2021, 04:20 PM)
220nm torque is sufficient for city driving, between 0 to 80km/h
once you hit the highway, power matters especially if you want to accelerate from 80 to beyond 100km/h, over taking lorry and slow moving cars. You will feel that you need to work a lot on the engine to move the car just a little bit faster when power to weight ratio is insufficient. For 2.4NA, the power that helps to sustain high speed.

If you look at some of the drag race (of course I am not promoting to drag race) between a Turbo car (high torque, lower power) and an NA car (lower torque, high power), Turbo cars always start off quicker but at high speed, the NA with higher power will over take.
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Actually in highway cruising scenario, the ZF 8 speeder does help alot with lower torque engines. At 150kmh, the engine is just revving at slightly below 3000RPM, comfortably within optimal torque smile.gif From my own experience, going from 100kmh to 150kmh feels OK, not too rapid no too slow, enough to ditch a myvi laugh.gif But anything above 150kmh, you'll feel the lack of punch
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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Jan 7 2021, 04:06 PM)
Maybe some ppl drive on highway alot, but I think for those that mostly do city drives, 220nm at revs between 1k to 3k is more than enough.

220nm is enough to push the car up genting comfortably with revs around 2k - 3k rpm. For cars with N/A 2.4 with 230nm, you'll probably be screaming at 4k+ rpm all the way up
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actually i wish to know. 220nm can happen without full pedal ?
why i feel 220nm is so weak from daily ride unless u step more. even idrive power indicator show less than 220nm
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post Jan 7 2021, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Jan 7 2021, 04:06 PM)
Maybe some ppl drive on highway alot, but I think for those that mostly do city drives, 220nm at revs between 1k to 3k is more than enough.

220nm is enough to push the car up genting comfortably with revs around 2k - 3k rpm. For cars with N/A 2.4 with 230nm, you'll probably be screaming at 4k+ rpm all the way up
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 7 2021, 04:20 PM)
220nm torque is sufficient for city driving, between 0 to 80km/h
once you hit the highway, power matters especially if you want to accelerate from 80 to beyond 100km/h, over taking lorry and slow moving cars. You will feel that you need to work a lot on the engine to move the car just a little bit faster when power to weight ratio is insufficient. For 2.4NA, the power that helps to sustain high speed.

If you look at some of the drag race (of course I am not promoting to drag race) between a Turbo car (high torque, lower power) and an NA car (lower torque, high power), Turbo cars always start off quicker but at high speed, the NA with higher power will over take.
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My Accord 2.4 got same torque with ketam, but NA u need to rev like mad, below 4k, feel heavy, feel no power.above that only feel alive.while ketam power delivery is great.

With NA characteristics, immediately potong stim to drive fast.lol. Its like u need to try so hard to drive fast. So so hard. But so many drive fast NA car on highway. They all definitely push throttle like maniac. Me cannot liao.lol.


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The 330e fuel tank is quite small. You’ll need to do a lot more refueling if you don’t charge. Otherwise, it’s a fun car to drive if you charge diligently
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post Jan 8 2021, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(DS51 @ Jan 7 2021, 11:22 PM)
My Accord 2.4 got same torque with ketam, but NA u need to rev like mad, below 4k, feel heavy, feel no power.above that only feel alive.while ketam power delivery is great.

With NA characteristics, immediately potong stim to drive fast.lol. Its like u need to try so hard to drive fast. So so hard. But so many drive fast NA car on highway. They all definitely push throttle like maniac. Me cannot liao.lol.
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engine designed for power usually easy high reving.... last time my 1.6 is very throttle happy easily 6-7000 rpm... rotary engines easily 10k rpm...

obviously if cannot stand the engine roar...then need to look at other cars lor


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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 7 2021, 10:31 PM)
actually i wish to know. 220nm can happen without full pedal ?
why i feel 220nm is so weak from daily ride unless u step more. even idrive power indicator show less than 220nm
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max 220nm must happen before full power, and before full throttle

look up you engine chart and it will tell you at what rpm

you need proper rate of acceleration to get to feel the 220nm, for normal driving the auto will shift way earlier before peak torque... and usually when rpm is around this peak torque, car is already at speed and is hard to feel the pull

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post Jan 8 2021, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 7 2021, 10:31 PM)
actually i wish to know. 220nm can happen without full pedal ?
why i feel 220nm is so weak from daily ride unless u step more. even idrive power indicator show less than 220nm
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The torque is on demand la. It's not always 220nm all the way. The ECU will learn the way you drive and adjust accordingly. If you drive mostly in relaxing way, the throttle response will be slower overall

QUOTE(DS51 @ Jan 7 2021, 11:22 PM)
My Accord 2.4 got same torque with ketam, but NA u need to rev like mad, below 4k, feel heavy, feel no power.above that only feel alive.while ketam power delivery is great.

With NA characteristics, immediately potong stim to drive fast.lol. Its like u need to try so hard to drive fast. So so hard. But so many drive fast NA car on highway. They all definitely push throttle like maniac. Me cannot liao.lol.
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Exactly. I have an NA 3.0 and it feels heavy below 3k rpm.

I prefer driving the 1.6T in town as it feels more zippy in stop-go
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post Jan 8 2021, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(DS51 @ Jan 7 2021, 11:22 PM)
My Accord 2.4 got same torque with ketam, but NA u need to rev like mad, below 4k, feel heavy, feel no power.above that only feel alive.while ketam power delivery is great.

With NA characteristics, immediately potong stim to drive fast.lol. Its like u need to try so hard to drive fast. So so hard. But so many drive fast NA car on highway. They all definitely push throttle like maniac. Me cannot liao.lol.
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in order to get best of both world, get a high torque and high power..
At least Ketam 220nm with 170hp.. weight 1300kg.. best of both world..
318i 220nm but 136hp, weight 1500kg.. might be ok for city, but power to weight ratio, need to work hard on the engine to get it up to speed on open road.

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