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> Some Of RM1.9bil Credited Into Najib’s Account, A Donation From Saudi Arabia, Court Told

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post May 14 2019, 08:04 PM

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Lol jibby is innocent.. I told u guys 1000 times oredi
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post May 14 2019, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ May 14 2019, 08:01 PM)
From what i know, gov administrator is not employed by the gov. The PM is chosen by  parliament n the ministers in chosen by PM. So, thats why they cant be considered as gov officials. Gov officials represent the gov, gov administrator represent the country.

Thats the argument la.
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Prime Minister represents the Govt lah, how can he not be a Govt official? That is really stupid imo.
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post May 14 2019, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 14 2019, 08:04 PM)
Prime Minister represents the Govt lah, how can he not be a Govt official? That is really stupid imo.
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If he is gov official n represent the gov, means gov can fire him. Can gov fire him?
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post May 14 2019, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ May 14 2019, 08:08 PM)
If he is gov official n represent the gov, means gov can fire him. Can gov fire him?
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Can he say that he don't represent the Govt?
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post May 14 2019, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 14 2019, 08:09 PM)
Can he say that he don't represent the Govt?
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He represent the country. Country =/= gov.
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post May 14 2019, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ May 14 2019, 08:10 PM)
He represent the country. Country =/= gov.
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a PM is the head of Govt, how can he not represent Govt?
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post May 14 2019, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 14 2019, 08:12 PM)
a PM is the head of Govt, how can he not represent Govt?
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The most senior position among gov servant is ksn. Not PM. PM is in a different part of the gov. Just like parliament, juridical. As so, a gov servant cant go beyond ksn n be a pm. Just like a pm cant be a judge.

U must view them as seperate. And bcoz of that, MP in parliament have different rules, judge have their own seperate rules and finally PM and his cabinet also have their own rules to follow.
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post May 14 2019, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 14 2019, 07:51 PM)
mac60931 writes for najip.

I would think it is rubbish to say a prime minister is not a Govt official.
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What? You are saying the HIGH COURT decisions is rubbish? Are you sure you wanna say that? That is amount to court contempt in case you didn't know.
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post May 14 2019, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ May 14 2019, 08:08 PM)
If he is gov official n represent the gov, means gov can fire him. Can gov fire him?
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The correct word is impeach.

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post May 14 2019, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ May 14 2019, 08:23 PM)
What? You are saying the HIGH COURT decisions is rubbish? Are you sure you wanna say that? That is amount to court contempt in case you didn't know.
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post May 14 2019, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ May 14 2019, 08:19 PM)
The most senior position among gov servant is ksn. Not PM. PM is in a different part of the gov. Just like parliament, juridical. As so, a gov servant cant go beyond ksn n be a pm. Just like a pm cant be a judge.

U must view them as seperate. And bcoz of that, MP in parliament have different rules, judge have their own seperate rules and finally PM and his cabinet also have their own rules to follow.
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absolutely agree. It really takes a civil servant to lay down all the constitutional facts to the layman.

I blame this on the education: there is no subject called civil studies. The best one was Pengajian Am, but that subject faces two problem: 1. it's not in SPM, where majority of school leavers end up getting it as their highest education within malaysia (they go out to foreign colleges later), 2. There's no pengajian am in matrikulasi, which means more and more of the population will miss having their civil education there.

MOE should really consider moving pengajian am to SPM level in order to educate the public biggrin.gif
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post May 14 2019, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ May 14 2019, 08:19 PM)
The most senior position among gov servant is ksn. Not PM. PM is in a different part of the gov. Just like parliament, juridical. As so, a gov servant cant go beyond ksn n be a pm. Just like a pm cant be a judge.

U must view them as seperate. And bcoz of that, MP in parliament have different rules, judge have their own seperate rules and finally PM and his cabinet also have their own rules to follow.
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Regardless, a PM has to represent the Govt, if he doesn't, it is meaningless to say He represents the country. Question is represent the country as what?

Still points back to the Govt, since he's the head of Govt. That is my argument.

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post May 15 2019, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ May 14 2019, 08:30 PM)
absolutely agree. It really takes a civil servant to lay down all the constitutional facts to the layman.

I blame this on the education: there is no subject called civil studies. The best one was Pengajian Am, but that subject faces two problem: 1. it's not in SPM, where majority of school leavers end up getting it as their highest education within malaysia (they go out to foreign colleges later), 2. There's no pengajian am in matrikulasi, which means more and more of the population will miss having their civil education there.

MOE should really consider moving pengajian am to SPM level in order to educate the public  biggrin.gif
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actually, we have learnt the basic in school. enough to understand the separation of power between executive, judicial and legislative as well as the little details in them.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 14 2019, 08:34 PM)
Regardless, a PM has to represent the Govt, if he doesn't, it is meaningless to say He represents the country. Question is represent the country as what?

Still points back to the Govt, since he's the head of Govt. That is my argument.
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KSN is head of gov.
PM represent the YDPA in gov.

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QUOTE(pokolinou @ May 14 2019, 05:55 PM)
Apparently in /k. You can't deny PH in any way possible. Even if you support opposition or not.
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This is not about denying PH. This has nothing to do with PH. I deny PH all the time like the recent bodoh tint move.

This matter is simply Najib songlap.

But macai and/or bodoh tries very hard to blame it on PH for Najib's crime.

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ May 14 2019, 08:01 PM)
From what i know, gov administrator is not employed by the gov. The PM is chosen by  parliament n the ministers in chosen by PM. So, thats why they cant be considered as gov officials. Gov officials represent the gov, gov administrator represent the country.

Thats the argument la.
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He Kantoi liao, no matter how his lawyer spin. 1mdb advisor / board of director consider as officer of public body or not?

Act 694

Offence of accepting gratification
16. Any person who by himself, or by or in conjunction with
any other person—
(a) corruptly solicits or receives or agrees to receive for
himself or for any other person; or
(b) corruptly gives, promises or offers to any person whether
for the benefit of that person or of another person,
any gratification as an inducement to or a reward for, or otherwise
on account of—
(A) any person doing or forbearing to do anything in respect
of any matter or transaction, actual or proposed or likely
to take place; or
(B) any officer of a public body doing or forbearing to do
anything in respect of any matter or transaction, actual
or proposed or likely to take place, in which the public
body is concerned,


Offence of using office or position for gratification
23. (1) Any officer of a public body who uses his office or
position for any gratification, whether for himself, his relative
or associate, commits an offence.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an officer of a public
body shall be presumed, until the contrary is proved, to use his
office or position for any gratification, whether for himself, his
relative or associate, when he makes any decision, or takes any
action, in relation to any matter in which such officer, or any
relative or associate of his, has an interest, whether directly or
indirectly.
(3) For the avoidance of doubt, it is declared that, for the
purposes of subsection (1), any member of the administration of a
State shall be deemed to use his office or position for gratification
when he acts contrary to subsection 2(8) of the Eighth Schedule
to the Federal Constitution or the equivalent provision in the
Constitution or Laws of the Constitution of that State.
(4) This section shall not apply to an officer who holds office
in a public body as a representative of another public body which
has the control or partial control over the first-mentioned public
body in respect of any matter or thing done in his capacity as
such representative for the interest or advantage of that other
public body.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 14 2019, 08:34 PM)
Regardless, a PM has to represent the Govt, if he doesn't, it is meaningless to say He represents the country. Question is represent the country as what?

Still points back to the Govt, since he's the head of Govt. That is my argument.
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I know how you feel, but in technical they're not wrong.
I was just as shocked as you upon hearing that the PM isn't a government servant.

Second Appeals Court panel rules PM is not a public officer
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Arul kanda, mazlan etc

Making of statement which is false or intended to mislead, etc.,
to an officer of the Commission or the Public Prosecutor
27. (1) Where any person makes or causes any other person to
make to an officer of the Commission or to the Public Prosecutor,
in the course of such officer or Public Prosecutor exercising any
power conferred by this Act, any statement which to the knowledge
of the person making the statement, or causing the statement to
be made—
(a) is false, or intended to mislead; or
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by such person to any other person having authority or
power under any law, or otherwise, to receive, or require
to be made, such other statement regardless whether or
not the person making the statement is under any legal
or other obligation to tell the truth,
he commits an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine
not exceeding one hundred thousand ringgit or to imprisonment
for a term not exceeding ten years or to both.
(2) Where any person, who has made a statement to an officer
of the Commission or to the Public Prosecutor, in the course of
such officer or Public Prosecutor exercising any power conferred
by this Act, subsequently thereto makes any other statement to any
person having authority or power under any law, or otherwise, to
receive, or require to be made, such other statement, regardless
whether or not the person making the statement is under a legal
or other obligation to tell the truth, he commits an offence, if
such other statement is inconsistent with any statement previously
made to an officer of the Commission or the Public Prosecutor and
shall on conviction be liable to a fine not exceeding one hundred
thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten
years or to both.
(3) For the avoidance of doubt, it is declared that for the
purposes of paragraph (1)(b) and subsection (2), any statement
made in the course of any legal proceedings before any court,
whether civil or criminal, or any statement made by any person in the course of any disciplinary proceedings, whether such legal
proceedings or disciplinary proceedings are against the person
making the statement or against any other person, shall be deemed
to be a statement made to a person having authority or power
under law to receive the statement so made.

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ May 14 2019, 04:59 PM)
Nope, this is not the rm2.6 B that Najib took from 1MDB

Here is the 2.6B

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/page/f...877166/download

IV. THE TANORE PHASE: MORE THAN $1.26 BILLION IS
MISAPPROPRIATED FROM 1MDB

229. Funds transferred to the Tanore Account were distributed for the benefit of
at least one public official associated with 1MDB. More particularly, very shortly after
the bond offering closed, between approximately March 21, 2013, and March 25, 2013,
$681,000,000 was transferred from the Tanore Account to an account belonging to
MALAYSIAN OFFICIAL 1

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DOJ until today cannot name who is MO1? or they did? not sure hmm.gif

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