This post has been edited by faeez87: Apr 29 2019, 06:56 PM

yup basically they'd created a new timeline without thanos.

yay loki new tv series

it just put the movie into chart
nothing being explained :x

How does time work actually in the vastness of space..Does Thanos use the same kalendar kuda on Morag and Vormir?

wow.. someone really does their homework..
even i scratch watching Netflix Bandersnatch timeline

It explains that only 2 timeline exist. MCU timeline n Quantum Realm timeline that altered by Time Heist. No 3 4 5 timeline as explained by others.

yay more milking the franchise!

QR Thanos calendar should be the same as everyone else time in QR timeline

So Cap was living in another timeline until old then go back to his original timeline.

That means he stole the shield from the other timeline!

This post has been edited by St0rmFury: Apr 29 2019, 02:40 PM

Captain America & Peggy Carter back in 1945 could be a new timeline too.

Yup. He stole it. So QR cap wont have the shield anymore when he wake up from ice. Hahaha.

Nah. Only 2 timeline. MCU timeline and Quantum Realm timeline

From this theory, did Cap really get married to another Peggy from another reality?

Since that reality's Cap, which at that point also probably frozen, will definitely also love that reality's Peggy, does this world's Cap really had any business there except to intrude into that dimension's Peggy and Cap relationship? What happens when that reality's Cap is woken up? Wouldn't he be also looking for Peggy as this reality's Cap also did?

While that reality's Peggy still looks, feels and acts the same, she would definitely still be a totally different person to this reality's Peggy.

Is what Cap is doing morally defensible?

xmen rip off

supposed to be new timeline aswell. coz peggy did get marry with cap (assume) and when the ice cap woke up, he went to see peggy.

Well, they can milk again Avengers using the same cast (probably renewing RDJ and Chris Evans contract) but this time in a diferrent timeline without Thanos, but with new villian, Galactus.

QR Cap stuck in ice for 70 years. I think our Cap return to 2023 before QR Cap awake from ice. Now he basically become selfish put his happiness above other people, following tony advise

This endgame like too rush. Should do longer. They found QR then everyone back to where they begin but with much self improved and much prepared. Then start over again or reboot with each individual movie ironman, hulk, thor, capt, etc etc etc then after 20 movies and the 21st movie is brand new infinity war with much all well prepared n improved heroes and end with thor went to the freaking head!!!!

so we will have a LOKI Standalone film
since he escaped with tessaract

wow, i think you put more thought to this than the MCU team...

so where is the timeline that Cap stayed back to find peggy and live to the reality?

did not captain met his frozen self back then?

So, Cap original shield really got destroyed during the final battle with thanos la? Right?

Capt America green arrow going from QR timeline to Reality timeline is misleading because he would've stayed in QR reality. How did he actually travel to Reality without any device?

Peggy syiok lor, got two cap to bang.

Cap can go all day. Deswai Peggy get Alzheimer because she bang both cap until she lost her mind.

This post has been edited by Slowpokeking: Apr 29 2019, 03:06 PM

Time stone with the help of Ancient One.

i might make another chart... not sure if i should

Flawed.
Why is there only 2 different timeline?
Who ever said there was just 2 timeline?
When they entered quantum realm, there was 3 different destination at 3 different time. Surely they all went to 3 separate timeline. Then Cap and Ironman went back to 1970. Thats a different timeline altogether.

In total, there was 6 different timelines involved. 7 if you include 1945.

this

Lol i dont understand why people so concern about other timeline

For me avengers movie is the only true and real timeline for me ! I dont give a fuk what happen to other timelines

nice try but actually there's no way to properly reconcile the timeline
it's full of plot holes and paradoxes

kalau bodoh, lukis untuk dia

this thread looks like a git branching strategy went wrong.

This post has been edited by brkli: Apr 29 2019, 03:22 PM

Kesian Winter soldier, he was probably hoping Captain America could help him adjust to the modern world and become his childhood friend again. He would finally have someone who shared the same experiences as him to relate, support and talk to to as long as they both lived.

But

Now Captain America has literally ran off to the past to be with his who may or may not be his GF, Captain America has practically left the Winter Soldier all alone in the present day with the loneliness and isolation Captain America also experienced. Not to mention the Winter Soldier's PTSD from killing so many people added on.

Summore old Captain America turn up and give the title and shield of Captain America to someone Captain America met a few years ago instead of himself.

TS...

This is the right one, this explain everything

But the assumption is the timelines in red will alter back to original course as cap returns the stones.
except the one 2012 one where loki escapes with teserract and 2014 one where thanos travel to future and 1940 where cap decided to stay.
So ultimately got 4 timeline in the end??

Thats the QR timeline. After he grow old with peggy, he went back to reality timeline n sit on that bench

I dont think so. Seems like he went back to where he was frozen in water and continued his life with peggy.

how can he go back to the original timeline without going through the time machine.

this

Most of people theorize that we have multiple timeline like this one. The thing is this time heist base on Quantum Physics that it is possible to be in two locations at the same time—at least for an atom or a subatomic particle, such as an electron. For such tiny objects, the world is governed by a madhouse set of physical laws known as quantum mechanics

so i disagree with any multiple timeline theory. we can only have 2 timeline exist at the same time as per quantum physics. cannot have 3 4 5 timeline

don't think so. if steve growing old with peggy is a new timeline, then he would reappear on the machine and not the bench

Its not.
We're just geeks and dorks fooling around here.
Its fun and lets us imagine things past the movie.

I could buy into this theory. Though I kinda prefer the idea of multiverse than a multi timeline.

for now, it is.
Until perhaps the movie creators come out with an explanation. Though I feel that might be reserved for bluray release.

Thats why they called it time heist. they steal infinity stone from QR, then Cap put back. the side effect is that they will alter QR history n future. Plus Thanos from QR also killed by Tony in our reality, so QR future is definitly different.

Cap earned his piap. Lu peasants jangan persoal.

Steve can use GPS thingy to set time n location to 2023 on that bench after grow old with Peggy in QR timeline

i thought the GPS is for the dive and not the return?

That GPS thingy la. Its the same method Cap n Tony jump from 2012 to 1970. NO need platform

GPS for time n location set. The platform for the shrink.

Might be off topic.

Didnt Cap bring Mjollnir when he went back into time to send the infinity stones. But in final scene at the bench he only have the shield.

Am i forgetting something here?

P.S Why the fark Falcon become next Captain America. Bucky is way more worthy like in comics. Imagine cyborg right arm plus shield left arm. Hnghhh

then he'll still need it to unshrink right?

i was in the thinking that the actual time traveling is handle by the time machine built by banner and tony. and the GPS thingy is just a device that interact with the time machine, as such the machine need to be at least "activated" on "reentry" to the current timeline.

or u want to say that cap "sneak back" as an old man during the final battle and stay for few days before stting at the bench.

It is strongly implied he went back in time and stayed in this timeline and when he was older, he simply went back to the time and place where he originally went into the past and waited.

Because Quantum Physic. Possible to be in two locations at the same time—at least for an atom or a subatomic particle, such as an electron. For such tiny objects, the world is governed by a madhouse set of physical laws known as quantum mechanics.

So we must hold to this idea. 2 timeline only. Our timeline and Quantum timeline.

I think QR was the means they access the past
There is no QR timeline.
they go through the QR get the stones from the past and put it back. If they mess the past too much it forms a alternate timeline/reality/universe

They go through the QR not into the QR

that's what i believe too. this one makes the most sense to me

before u guys continue discussion, dont forget one important subject, tony stark. the new timeline where is tony stark ? think about it and u will realize the picture new timeline concept just wont work in coming mcu phase. surely very high chances theres a multiverse, but tat wont work like ts picture

Cap need to return Mjolnir in the Asgard timeline too, else the Thor during that time will not have any weapon to swing..takde stormbreaker takde hammer..only beers and ales...

Agree. he become old in QR timeline. then jump back to the bench to met them

How did he become normal size again without the platform?
When cap returned without the stones and hammer. Was his shield with him? Damaged from battle right? He repaired his broken shield or did he steal another one

Once they mentioned time travel I immediately knew this was going to be a fanservice movie with throwbacks designed to elicit nostalgia.

Anyway one huge plot hole. I thought they said each avenger only had enough Pym particles for one return trip each. So how did nebula's Pym particle become enough to transport thanos entire freaking army over?

This post has been edited by deodorant: Apr 29 2019, 03:56 PM

dont care la thor...

i strongly think is this

My headcanon is that Cap went to where he and that timeline's Captain America was frozen underwater earlier (before that timeline's SHIELD found that timeline's Captain America) and killed that timeline's Captain America to make sure only he remained the only Captain America in that reality for Peggy.

That would explain how he brought an intact Captain America shield when his own was already broken: he pried it out of that reality's Captain America's cold, dead hands.



This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Apr 29 2019, 03:58 PM

then why ancient one mention if we take their stone, their reality is doomed, hence banner suggest we return back the stone to ancient one so that their timeline still intact. Its because there is (2) TWO TIMELINE

Ah makes sense. Thanks boskur

People can shrink using the suit. So i think Platform is for shrinking ITEM, like Mjolnir, Stone, Shield. Maybe old Cap stole shield from QR timeline, jumped earlier to 2023, wait at the bench until his young self jump to return the stone. Then other people realize he's already at the bench.

How did Captain America get to Vormir, Morag and Asgard?

In the original time heist, to go to those places, certain members would still need to fly jump-point capable starships to reach them.

2 types of fans after watched The End Game.

Then you should read "The Fabric of Reality" by David Deutsch, who was mentioned by Tony Stark in the movie as the Deutsch Proposition.

David Deutsch is also the proponent of Many Worlds interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, where you can have infinite number of parallel timelines.

Their reality as in from 2012 ancient ones pov.

Because after banner takes the stones the timeline branches to form a new one where time stones don't exist.

So in that new timeline they can't fight against dormamu for example unless banner returns it to its original time/place which in turn ensures the timeline doesn't branch off.

I think platform is for ITEM Shrink unshrink. Suit is for people shrink unshrink. GPS for location n time

It still doesn't explain why peter and ned is still in highschool after the snap

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both timelines i feel still incomplete

waiting for someone to make better proper timeline without errors on it

Same like how Hawkeye brought the Milano spaceship with him to the past. They miniturized it first.

my theory:

since thanos has quite advance technology at hands....he can mass produce the pym particle

Somebody explain this

Ok, now we're getting into more serious shit.
At this point, I concur.

Totally agree lol

The platform is for time travel. Same as the indoor one with lot of glass. Tony's version on the quantum tunnel.
The wristband is a guidance for time/Place gps
The suit & pym particle is for shrinking
How cap got on the bench without any of these I have no idea.

She says "The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality, but my new one, not so much.In this new branch reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world would be over-run and millions would suffer. Tell me, Doctor, can your science prevent all that?"

When the time stone is gone from QT timeline, QR timeline exposed to dormamu. so returning it maintain stability.

lmao
coz both didnt complete their studies due to the disintegration

that's a good point actually

Good summary.

Dont care about others..just concentrate on the 2 new Timelines created then.

Loki story = still the naughty version
Infinity stones = still available..

Hoping Loki colluded with new Villain to attack earth once again. Marvel can recycle the infinity stone saga again.

Read my post.
The contraption is with nebula. Its possible, they applied the shrinking tech onto thanos mothership and travel back through QR.

Thanos's chief scientist simply made more Pym Particles. Since he's a freaking genius and all that.

one thing I noticed in the early scenes...

Ant-man trapped inside QR for 5 hrs, in real world is 5 years, how come when Janet was trapped inside QR for 30 years in real world, by right she should only be trapped for 30 hrs ? she looks way older than 30 hrs in Ant-man 2

This is not right..

Finally there should be 4 parallel universe created due to missing/added elements to each time line:-

#1. Continue from 2023 after old Cap hand over shield to Falcon. 2014 Gamora should be stuck in this timeline.

#2. Branch out from 2014 after Cap return Power Stone but without 2014 Thanos army and 2014 Gamora.

#3. Branch out from 2012 after Loki runs away with space stone. Captain America return Time Stone to ancient ones.

#4. Branch out from 1945 when 2023 Cap return to Agent Carter and lived together until old age and continue after 'Old Cap' return to timeline #1 (probably after Peggy Carter dies between 1970 - 2012).

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Apr 29 2019, 04:32 PM

from what i understand, the time dilation is random and uncertain. antman just lucky

The Ancient One said in 2014 that the Infinity stones help the universe to function as it is and that the removal of even one stone would have significant effects to the universe as a whole.

But in 2019, Thanos destroyed the stones. How come the universe still exists with no obvious side effects until 2023?

Janet wasn't wearing a QR suit was she?
Its possible she was experiencing what Ant-man did during their first test with Professor Hulk's prototype.

She is telling if banner removes 1 stone (time stone in this case) her timeline (2012) splits to form a new timeline.
Keyword branch reality

the whole first part of the movie they were literally talking about how to safely navigate through the quantum realm and tony came up with the GPS thingy.

This!

but i have no idea how cap returns to 2023 without the suit or through the portal.

what's the exact quote? i can't remember.

This post has been edited by cyhborg: Apr 29 2019, 04:21 PM

based on explanation/theory by ant man. quantum realm is somewhat 'run in parallel'/disconnect from the real world. so from QR, he can go 5 years forward, 10 years forward or etc. not necessary 5 hrs = 5 years.

that why they "use" the quantum realm as intermediate between different time lines.

This post has been edited by brkli: Apr 29 2019, 04:23 PM

now got time machine anything can happend in future movies..
e.g ironman/blackwidow/loki/vision/agent coulson/etc character comeback..

lama2 mcu so draggy even fast and furious franchise seems making sense.

This post has been edited by dyzr: Apr 29 2019, 04:25 PM

well
when good gal nebula is sort of link to bad nebula
the information sort of meld together

remember when they jack up old nebula to get more info
so when GG nebula is caught, for damn sure all information will be retrieved

thus that why thanos side can know the time travelling things