i might make another chart... not sure if i should

don't think so. if steve growing old with peggy is a new timeline, then he would reappear on the machine and not the bench

i thought the GPS is for the dive and not the return?

then he'll still need it to unshrink right?

that's what i believe too. this one makes the most sense to me

that's a good point actually

from what i understand, the time dilation is random and uncertain. antman just lucky

what's the exact quote? i can't remember.

This post has been edited by cyhborg: Apr 29 2019, 04:21 PM

that's the biggest flaw of the "cap stays with peggy in this timeline" theory

the only solution i can think of is there are two shields (maybe cap ask t'chala to make another one sometime before the last on-screen jump and hid it somewhere in an earlier unseen jump)

until the writers clarify, i'm gonna call this a plot hole

This post has been edited by cyhborg: Apr 29 2019, 10:14 PM

but if that's true, then where did he get the shield?

taking the shield would cause a new timeline to emerge since young cap used it in his timeline, which means old man cap cannot lay low in young cap's timeline

doesn't have to be a branch if it's like this:

shield was destroyed in the final battle, but shuri and t'challa were snapped back by banner, so it's much easier to repair/replace the vibranium shield. he then leaves the shield in the avengers facility

after returning the stones and mjolnir, he goes to be with peggy, but makes sure not to cause a change in the past, thus prevent a new timeline. grows old, then goes to the avengers facility again to pick up the shield and pass it to falcon

but the russo brothers' explanation cause a new plothole



if we follow the earlier rules, then he has to appear on the machine, but in the movie he shows up on a bench. they contradict their own rules

the way i understood that scene is that they can make further "dives" without the machine (since they are already in a "dive"), but coming back to the present still need to go back via the machine

this theory would demand the person she married (after cap was frozen) be the "future" cap that went back. after all they never really showed his face or revealed his name.

if she keeps the identity of her husband a secret from "past" cap, then "past" cap won't make any decision to cause a change/new timeline, then "future" cap can just grow old then just travel via normal means to the facility without the portal

but the russos say that's not what happened, so nevermind then

the way i understand the film, a new timeline is created IF people of that time you jump to make a different decision and subsequent action than what had previously occurred, e.g. loki stealing the space stone (which is different from what happened in avengers 1), and thanos learning of another nebula and deciding to change his plans (which is different from what happened in GOTG).

in my scenario, while peggy learns of another steve, her actions after that didn't deviate from what had already happened (i.e. she got married and had kids), therefore no new timeline is created

cap wake from ice > events of the avengers movies > goes back to the past (which means got two steves in the same timeline, but one hidden from the other) > grow old > pass the shield to falcon > the end

therefore no loop

This post has been edited by cyhborg: May 1 2019, 09:14 PM

i mean not an endless loop

what i mean is the supposed husband IS steve, and yes future steve is kept a secret from the world. admittedly, it's very unlikely for this secret to remain uncovered, and the russos say this scenario didn't happen. but the fact he didn't end up on the machine just irks me

ah i see your point. it's like cap making a copy of himself, who makes another copy of itself, and on and on. i was so focused on "our" cap, that i didn't see the bigger picture

This post has been edited by cyhborg: May 1 2019, 09:55 PM

the picture didn't show her husband, so it didn't have to be the ruse. her story of cap saving her future husband would be the ruse. but it doesn't matter anyway since the directors have refuted this theory

looks like her son, since almost same height as the daughter