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post Apr 29 2019, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(VoiVod @ Apr 29 2019, 03:16 PM)
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But the assumption is the timelines in red will alter back to original course as cap returns the stones.
except the one 2012 one where loki escapes with teserract and 2014 one where thanos travel to future and 1940 where cap decided to stay.
So ultimately got 4 timeline in the end??

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post Apr 29 2019, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Apr 29 2019, 02:26 PM)
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I think QR was the means they access the past
There is no QR timeline.
they go through the QR get the stones from the past and put it back. If they mess the past too much it forms a alternate timeline/reality/universe

They go through the QR not into the QR
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post Apr 29 2019, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Apr 29 2019, 03:56 PM)
then why ancient one mention if we take their stone, their reality is doomed, hence banner suggest we return back the stone to ancient one so that their timeline still intact. Its because there is (2) TWO TIMELINE
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Their reality as in from 2012 ancient ones pov.

Because after banner takes the stones the timeline branches to form a new one where time stones don't exist.

So in that new timeline they can't fight against dormamu for example unless banner returns it to its original time/place which in turn ensures the timeline doesn't branch off.
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post Apr 29 2019, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Apr 29 2019, 04:06 PM)
I think platform is for ITEM Shrink unshrink. Suit is for people shrink unshrink. GPS for location n time
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The platform is for time travel. Same as the indoor one with lot of glass. Tony's version on the quantum tunnel.
The wristband is a guidance for time/Place gps
The suit & pym particle is for shrinking
How cap got on the bench without any of these I have no idea.
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post Apr 29 2019, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Apr 29 2019, 04:10 PM)
She says "The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality, but my new one, not so much. In this new branch reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world would be over-run and millions would suffer. Tell me, Doctor, can your science prevent all that?"

When the time stone is gone from QT timeline, QR timeline exposed to dormamu. so returning it maintain stability.
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She is telling if banner removes 1 stone (time stone in this case) her timeline (2012) splits to form a new timeline.
Keyword branch reality

the whole first part of the movie they were literally talking about how to safely navigate through the quantum realm and tony came up with the GPS thingy.
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post Apr 29 2019, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Apr 29 2019, 04:14 PM)
This is not right..

Finally there should be 4 parallel universe created due to missing/added elements  to each time line:-

#1.  Continue from 2023 after old Cap hand over shield to Falcon. 2014 Gamora should be stuck in this timeline.

#2.  Continue from 2014 after Cap return Power Stone but without  2014 Thanos army and 2014 Gamora.

#3.  Continue from 2012 after Loki runs away with space stone. Captain America return Time Stone to ancient ones.

#4.  This is timeline where Agent Carter danced with 2023 Cap and lived together until old and continue after 'Old Cap' return to timeline #1 (probably after Peggy Carter dies between 1970 - 2012).
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This!

but i have no idea how cap returns to 2023 without the suit or through the portal.
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post Apr 29 2019, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Apr 29 2019, 05:58 PM)
Like i said, they use tunnel to pull out stuff from quantum timeline. Like hawkeye glove
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There is no quantum timeline
Acordinng to hank pym : quantum realm is a reality where all concepts of time and space become irrelevant as you shrink for all eternity.

There is no concept of time and space in the quantum realm ergo there cannot be a quantum timeline.

And since time is not linear in the quantum realm time vortex the avengers can navigate back or forward in time.

However changing anything in the past of future will create an alternate timeline unrelated to the main timeline.

U have to remember marvel universe is based on multiverse concept. Eg dormamu is an inter-dimensional being that conquers universes.

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post Apr 29 2019, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Apr 29 2019, 05:56 PM)
Didnt scott use the antman suit n go quantum in antman 1 without the tunnel? I think the tunnel is for pulling u out from quantum. So when u in quantum, u can jump around using wristband only
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Yes it would seem so.
ppl can go through quantum realm with the suit and navigate with wrist band.
The portal is just to bring objects.
That being said how cap brought back the shield without using the portal?
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post Apr 29 2019, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(faeez87 @ Apr 29 2019, 06:57 PM)
Another prob is that where did Cap get d fucking shield from???
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My only theory is since he already screw up 1940 timeline by staying with Peggy might as well help the avengers of that timeline defeat thanos the first time around
maybe ask thor to go for the head.
then ask Tony to make another shield Since that timeline Tony would still be alive.

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post Apr 29 2019, 08:26 PM

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This explains the time travel plothole well
Even old cap plothole is somewhat explained.
rather long but worth it.

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post Apr 30 2019, 11:26 PM

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There's always been 2 Steve Rogers since 1940 in the mcu universe we watch..
1 old guy came from another main universe settled with Peggy and just lay low till now & pass the shield to falcon.
2. The cap that we know of fighting all the battles and went back to return the stones.

Explains how old cap was able to be just sitting there on the bench. remember Peggy was married to an unknown person when our cap visited her. That guy must be old cap from another timeline with similar mission but decided to stay in 1940
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post May 1 2019, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(cyhborg @ May 1 2019, 12:41 AM)
but if that's true, then where did he get the shield?

taking the shield would cause a new timeline to emerge since young cap used it in his timeline, which means old man cap cannot lay low in young cap's timeline
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The shield is his from his timeline. He brought when he went back to restore the stones.
Thats why he can bring it in a bag.
so there was always and old guy with a shield married to Peggy.
The problem is we're all assuming the timeline that were watching is the main one. What if it itself is a branch. Solves every plothole.
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post May 1 2019, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(cyhborg @ May 1 2019, 05:12 PM)
doesn't have to be a branch if it's like this:

shield was destroyed in the final battle, but shuri and t'challa were snapped back by banner, so it's much easier to repair/replace the vibranium shield. he then leaves the shield in the avengers facility

after returning the stones and mjolnir, he goes to be with peggy, but makes sure not to cause a change in the past, thus prevent a new timeline. grows old, then goes to the avengers facility again to pick up the shield and pass it to falcon
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1. Him staying with peggy itself is a change. Remember peggy was supposed to be married.
2. How does he goes to the avengers facility without the portal?
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post May 1 2019, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(cyhborg @ May 1 2019, 08:15 PM)
this theory would demand the person she married (after cap was frozen) be the "future" cap that went back. after all they never really showed his face or revealed his name.

if she keeps the identity of her husband a secret from "past" cap, then "past" cap won't make any decision to cause a change/new timeline, then "future" cap can just grow old then just travel via normal means to the facility without the portal

but the russos say that's not what happened, so nevermind then  dry.gif
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If u can go to the past and live quietly and arrive back at the same place u started that would make it a loop.
Wast it establish that time travel in marvel doesn't work in a loop but creates a alternate timeline.
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post May 1 2019, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(cyhborg @ May 1 2019, 09:06 PM)
the way i understand the film, a new timeline is created IF people of that time you jump to make a different decision and subsequent action than what had previously occurred, e.g. loki stealing the space stone (which is different from what happened in avengers 1), and thanos learning of another nebula and deciding to change his plans (which is different from what happened in GOTG).

in my scenario, while peggy learns of another steve, but her actions after that didn't deviate from what had already happened (i.e. she got married and had kids), therefore no new timeline is created 

cap wake from ice  > events of the avengers movies > goes back to the past (which means got two steves in the same timeline, but one hidden from the other) > grow old > pass the shield to falcon > the end

therefore no loop
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U put ur explanation in drawing u'll see the loop

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post May 1 2019, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(cyhborg @ May 1 2019, 09:20 PM)
i mean not an endless loop
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Of course its a endless loop.
Lest play out ur theory.
Our cap goes back lives with Peggy until 2023 sits on the bench witnessing a young cap (1) goes back in time to live with Peggy (1) until 2023 sits on the bench witnessing a young cap (2) goes back in time to live with Peggy (2) until 2023 sits on the bench witnessing a young cap (3)...

U get my point..
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post May 1 2019, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ May 1 2019, 09:44 PM)
move on lah oi. what family photo?

dont confuse more ktard bodo in here la

russo already explained

OLD CAP IS FROM ANOTHER ALTERNATE TIMELINE

if want to be bodo, dont drag others.
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This is what I'm trying to explain all this time.
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post May 1 2019, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ May 1 2019, 10:03 PM)
why make it so complicated.

draw orang lidi as ori cap that we watch in the first avengers movie.

follow him in 1 straight line until end game

draw a loop line where he frozed and missing

branch it from there. this is THE alternate . now stretch it until it bypass end game spot.

now stop, draw a retun line to where he sit on bench.

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This would create another plothole as how old cap manage to return without suit / using platform to bring shield.

He was just siting there as if he drove there.

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post May 1 2019, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ May 1 2019, 10:27 PM)
THAT is the point la. that russo purposely open up a plothole and want u to think "how cap return without suit? not in platform?" and move on.

but not "cap always in that time line all the time" crap

my theory is this:
- turn up to that timeline with nano suits on, GPS on
- nano suits changed to his own attire very fast la..
- take off GPS, put inside his pocket.
- sits there like nothing happen
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Why not ?
I'm just pointing out ur explanation has a plothole.
but my explanation is crap because u don't like it??
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post May 1 2019, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(orga_laut @ May 1 2019, 10:40 PM)
because RUSSO THE DIRECTOR says it.
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Mind linking ur sos??

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