Thanks @ZM FONG for your reviews and advice. Really appreciate.

I’m looking for high end gaming laptop. Currently looking at Selenite pro, onyx g and onyx pro from illegear. Also msi and gigabyte. Dell Alienware too but dell Malaysia update slow.

Is it worth waiting for two months? Don’t see how Ryzen 4000 can beat intel i7 10875 right? Please give your advice.

Also is it worth upgrading to the 2070 (Rm699) or even the 2070 super (rm1399)

Budget is not so much concern but looking to get best value for money spent.

Looking forward to advice.

This post has been edited by sadhish: May 14 2020, 07:41 PM

To be fair their laptops are very cheap, i think you should adjust your self expectation for something lesser in return right? Cannot be you pay cheap price but want apple grade quality ma right? Ppl do business cannot rugi wan mah, how to sell you cheap price but put premium components inside

Have you check the latest reviews for Ryzen 4000 series laptops? They absolutely destroyed Intel.

If you can wait, then wait

Higher end GPUs usually will have higher price per performance, only go for it if you have the budget

i fully understand your point, its jz that the SSD kaput less than 3 months after buying
that's way too unacceptable, even when use cheap stuff, should last more than 3 months right?

Its electronic parts bro. Even reputable brand will some faulty sometimes. This kind of things we really cannot predict lor.

I saw the Forge 51 start using Western Digital Black already.

i predict at least can last for over 6 months who knows lees than 3 months , the most frustrating part was that it happens during mco

yes, they start using WD black, the new one they gv me also WD

No offense, but I see lots of illegear, L51 and other rebranded Clevos as part of your recommended list. Those laptops are a real hassle to get RMA especially if you dont stay in KV or in KV but not close to their HQs.

But the list seems to be missing some of the good lower-end models released recently (or gone thru price cut)?

Now you can get Dell G5 1650 for under 3.5k and also MSI Alpha 15 with R7 and RX5600 for about 4.2k. Would those be significantly better than Illegear Raven and L51 Forge (especially the low-spec OEMs)?

That's why I didn't put servicing/aftersales as a requirement/part of the rating in this list. There are many factors that could affect your buying choice (eg aftersales), this list is just a guideline/whitelist

G5 has poor thermals

Alpha 15 is using a TDP up low power APU and AMD GPU (which isn't that power+thermal efficient for laptops and might have driver issues, in fact until now there are still driver/software related issues in this model even though some of them are solved). Build quality is so so

As long as the thermals are at least decent and exterior build quality is at least OK, I'll put them into the list regardless of brands/ODMs

Note that this list hasn't been updated for quite a long time (waiting for new models)

This post has been edited by ZM Fong: May 15 2020, 10:22 AM

Curious, notebookcheck didnt rate G5 as producing too hot temperatures: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-G5-15-55...w.422281.0.html

The system is also stable at 1H under full load.

Is the thermals much worse than the low end Raven SE or Forge51?

Asking because im keen to buy a G5/G7.

Sorry to hear that bro. Understand the frustration.

Hope the new one can last longer. I really scare the SSD/HDD faulty. Precious data gone like that.

-NBC pros and cons at the verdict section are BS IMO
-cannot maintain basic 45W+50W / 45W+80W = failed cooling
-newer BIOS has even worse thermals - users can confirm that
-Dell focus nowadays is on aesthetics not performance/thermals, releasing BIOS with reduced performance is their common trend, also used in older models like G7 7588

but having said that, the choice is yours, if you want to buy G5 5590, go for it

This post has been edited by ZM Fong: May 15 2020, 01:22 PM

Just to clarify, we have service centers in both KL in JB, not just Klang Valley. Cheers

Hi ZM. How long should I wait? I’m not in rush. Also when will we see update to your list? Thank you so much. It’s helpful.

unfortunately i don't have a time frame for it - maybe 1 month, maybe several months

will update when most of the new models are in, you're welcome

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This post has been edited by stupiddog: May 16 2020, 03:30 PM

is ryzen laptop much much better than intel performance wise?
heard so much hype on it

much better - not quite

in certain situations and aspects Intel did better but overall, Ryzen would be my pick

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This post has been edited by DanialTan1990: May 16 2020, 11:38 PM

Do these ryzen 4000 really overkill intei 10th gen or just slightly better?