I'm seeing some game benchmarks where that CPU beats Ryzen 2600/2600X easily. Being in the same price range, I guess for purely gaming purposes I should choose Intel instead of AMD right?

Any recommendation for mobo and ram keeping the price around RM1500 or less including the CPU as I probably gonna get some SSD too.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Apr 1 2019, 01:09 PM

You may choose better option, i5-9600k instead of i5-9400F. I am same like you too was recently upgraded from my 3rd gen intel core i7-3770k to i5-9600k. Have no choice because for budget purpose. i5-9600k should be more than enough for gaming purpose.

Not enough budget. 😂

Is the signature spec you using? U not consider upgrade your gpu instead of cpu?

I'm using RX580.

Planning to pair with Asrock B360M-HDV and Corsair VG 2666 16GB. Based on Viewnet price can get below RM1500.

Any other recomendation?

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 14 2019, 08:38 AM

https://www.lowyat.net/2019/179436/new-spoi...s-not-affected/

In my opinion, better get amd now.

See if can find ryzen 1600 for cheap
Now many supplier clearing it prepare for ryzen 3000

Unless u are gaming at 240hz it doesnt make that much difference

Ryzen 1600 probably not much different in performance comoared to my current cpu I think.

For me even lousy ryzen 1600 can last years liao because im only using 60hz
Plus ryzen got 6c12t which is more futureproof

If aiming for 144/240 better to get the intel high end k processors


Btw can link the benchmark that show 9400f > 2600x? I thot they were around same performance

This post has been edited by Korra99: Mar 14 2019, 08:55 AM

I mainly play Total War which plays better on Intel. To be honest, I dont need to upgrade for other games. Playing Witcher 3 etc fine with my current CPU.

Seems like its quite close

Have to consider that 2600x has some advantage:
12 thread instead of 6 for better productivity
Better upgrade path (am4 socket)
Overclockable


Both are a decent choice, if me i would wait and see ryzen 3000 how since its only few months away

2600X is 300 ringgit more, which will go into the ram budget. 🤔

I'm using I5-9400F with 8GB ram, Gtx 1660ti 6gb gpu.
Playing games like apex legend & DMC 5 at full ultra graphics without any problem, fps 100~144

I mean, if you don't plan to OC, 9400F is a very decent CPU, as Intel is better in single threaded performance, thus good for gaming. But..at least to me, without a non K version of intel chip, Ryzen 5 2600 or 2600x is a better choice. Or even the 1600/1600x. Get one of those chips with a b450 mobo. Because a K version intel chip and the K version separate motherboard are surely gonna cost you some extra moolah. You'd have the path for overclocking, and compatibility for the Zen 2 chips as well with b450. And of course, AMD have came a long way to shrink the single thread gap between them and Intel from FX to Ryzen. It will only get better. Not only the difference is little between the 8th gen i5 and Ryzen 5/7 in single threaded tasks, for multi-threaded stuff, AMD pulls ahead in the mid range.

Kinda tl;dr. Since you would be using the RX 580, definitely the target is 1080p 60fps or 75hz/fps. Won't matter much whether you are using Intel or Ryzen.

This post has been edited by dunhill1410: Mar 14 2019, 11:31 AM

If I'm going Ryzen 2600, what's the recommended ram and mobo to keep all below RM1500?

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 14 2019, 01:14 PM

Ram as 8GB X 2? It is much easier 4GB 2666 X 2 within you budget which only cost around rm250. You can get decent B450 mobo with ALC1220 sound chip within your budget, if your speaker is lousy one, just take any B450 mobo. I personally pretty like Asus B450F Strix.

This post has been edited by nkl5499: Mar 14 2019, 01:24 PM

Dont care much about sounds since I'm using headphones as my pc is in my bedroom.

How about a single 16GB ram?

Will it be much different 2666 ram with 3000?

I've read most says that Ryzen preferably paired with 3000 ram at least. Dont mind 8GB for now anyway.

p/s: my actual budget is actually 2k but I'm hoping to get a new monitor and/or another SSD within the budget too. Planning to get some cheap 24" freesynch monitor.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 14 2019, 01:30 PM

Headphone is recommend good soundchip, unless cheap headphone. B450-F have pre-amp for headphone if not wrong, Ryzen sensitive with ram speed but DDR4 can OC easily which you could find it on youtube to see how it works.

I suppose the AsRock B450 pro4 is around ~350 RM, and better to go with 2x8 for the dual channel, kingston hyperX/Corsair Vengeance 2666 2x8 would be around ~500 RM. A single 16GB stick would be around same price. Ryzen 5 2600 is ~650 RM I believe. So that's 1500 MYR.

To go below 1500, there's only the mATX version of the AsRock B450. Would be ~100 RM less. I wouldn't recommend that but it's still B450.

One thing you should know about Ryzen is.. this CPU loves fast RAMs. So like add 40 or 50 RM more to get 2x8 3000/3200 Mhz RAM. If you can wait until July, well, Zen 2 CPUs.

Total War 3 Kingdoms coming out 23rd May, so I would like to be ready before that. 😁

Yup go ahead with the Ryzen. AMD mainstream chips have come so far that at this point I would only suggest Intel to a person who is planning to game over 1440p 144FPS buying like a RTX 2080, i7 8700K or i5 9700K with that. Or buying a RTX 2080 Ti with an i9 9900K.

Now that the system requirement for TW3K is out..

Should I spend a bit more for 2600X? Or just stick to 2600 and OC it to hell (but probably need to spend for aftermarket cooler).

My RX 580 should be around GTX 970/R9 Fury performance right?

PC Recommended Specifications

Expected around 45-55 FPS on campaign map and in a 1v1, 21 units vs 21 units battle, default graphics preset set to “High”, running at 1920×1080
Operating System: Windows 10 64 Bit
Processor: Intel i5-6600 | Ryzen 5 2600X
RAM: 8GB
Video Card: GTX 970 | R9 Fury X 4GB VRAM

PC 60 FPS+ Specifications

Expect 60 FPS+ on campaign map and in a 1v1, 21 units vs 21 units battle, default graphics preset set to “Ultra”, running at 1920×1080
Operating System: Windows 10 64 Bit
Processor: Intel® Core™ Intel i7-8700K
RAM: 8GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 15 2019, 08:22 AM

Ryzen 5 2600 and 2600x are one in the same. However, 2600x are the higher binned overclocked chips which will overclock well, guaranteed. Then again I haven't seen anyone so far getting hiccups overclocking a Ryzen 5 2600. So once you overclock 2600, it will pretty much be the same as 2600x or the overclocked 2600x. But yea you would need an aftermarket cooler.

Aside from that, I am Jon Snow about Total War..

Already bought Ryzen setup. Will keep this thread for now for review. 😁

Well good luck on your gaming !

As a baseline for benchmarking later, this is my current performance playing Warhammer 2.

I was crying at the FPS then I realized it's good old Ivy Bridge.

Okay. There's not much fps increase between i5 3570 and ryzen 2600 based on my few trial runs but there are now less stutter and the games are much smoother now.

Luckily the windows works right away though I made a mistake later reformating and reinstalling just to make sure no conflict in drivers whatsoever but it turns out my windows not cant be activated anymore. 😭

As my windows previously was digotal licence, I dont have a licence key and will have to buy a new one.

One thing though, I can only use 2 sata slot because of my graphic card. If I want to use other slots I may need to use shorter GPU.

As far as I know about Warhammer 2, quite CPU intensive ..you'd probably have better fps with an i3-7100 lol. But I hope the next game is more optimized for multi threaded application.

What mobo did you buy ? And how about using SATA extensions ?

Gigabyte b450m S2H. Now I use my old 240gb ssd as boot and the new 480gb ssd as game data. My old still usable 500GB HDD is unusable. If I need more storage maybe I can use the M.2 slot?

You're right. Total War as a whole is both cpu and gpu intensive. They prefers Intel too due to higher ipc. CPU usage definately more than my other games (Skyrim, XCOM etc).

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 16 2019, 11:16 AM

Its single core optimised game? Maybe should have gotten i3-8350k lol

Actually Total War have used multicore since Shogun 2 for the campaign map. But on the battle map it uses core 0 more than other cores though as the current Warhammer 2 and Thrones of Brittania the games uses mostly 4 cores.

Yes. Using i3 will probably net higher fps but the game will stutter a lot. That's why originally I intended to go with i5 9400F since there are 6 cores.

It was my brother actually who poisoned me to go ryzen since he is using 2600 for a while, though he did not play Total War (he's shooter generation 😁).

That mobo should have 2 GPU slots. How big is the RX 580 that it's covering up your SATA ports lol

Sapphire nitro+ is pretty big. 😁

I can only use the bottom 2 slots.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 16 2019, 11:51 AM

I tried OC to 4.0 with 1.425 voltage. Runs well except it's around 85c-95c which might be a bit dangerous I think in the long run?

Havent tried with lower voltage though.

With the stock cooler or an aftermarket one ? And keep in mind that the VRM heatsink on that mobo isn't particularly good so you'd need a pretty good CPu cooler. 85-95 is very hot yeah. Then again unless it's a Strix mobo, going over 1.4 volts is a bad idea.

more voltage = more heat,
unless you're using your cpu to heat up the water, or as space heater, 85c of course not going to end well in the long run

Stock. Not going to OC for the time being. Just testing how far can it go.

My old i5 was running at that heat during gaming with stock cooler. 😁

I agree with this, Ryzen can benefit a lot from high speed RAM and dual-channel is a must.

Don't go too cheap on your motherboard if you plan to game, and possible OC in the future. A cheap mobo might have very bad VRM and power phase. I personally went with similar build, see below:

Asrock B450 Pro4 (ATX) - RM339
Ryzen 2600 - RM645
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x 8GB 3000MHz C16 (i bought each separately at RM265 instead of kit, cheaper and still managed to clock at 3000Mhz without issue) - RM530

Total RM1514 which is still within your budget.
Price was 1 month ago, CPU+Mobo from ebucket Shopee, RAM from lingloong/dotatech

Ryzen 2600X won't have much benefit other than extra cores for multitasking, if just gaming, 2600 will do well.

Where you got cpu for 645? I got all shop give me 660. I got cpu + mobo + 2x 8GB 3000mhz for 1409. Then I bought 1 240gb ssd for my laptop and 1 480gb for my pc. Total all 1777.

Well, couple months ago a friend of mine got it for like 650 from All IT.

All shops quoted me 660..😁

But hey you got good deal on those RAMs. Bought mine for 520

Yeah. The reason I choose that shop because of the rams. 😁

Other shops quoted 520 too though not Corsairs.

voltage set at 1.35v?
try go higher already? 3400mhz or 3200mhz

I bought from a shopee seller called Ebucket. He has a shop in Penang and ships out quite fast. All good reviews and I received in good condition. They have the best price so far

Edit: now the price is 649. But u can find shopee vouchers sometimes

This post has been edited by zellleonhart: Mar 17 2019, 04:21 PM

Anyone can recommend me good/cheap casing which can fit in RX580. My current one is too big for my taste and the mic/ear ports on the front are broken already.

Preferably below RM 200.

First benchmark with Ryzen 2600 uploaded.

If the signature of urs is now the specification u using, I don't think you would even bother to consider 9400F over 2600 for upgrade path.

2600 - Plenty of threads, better stock fan, overclockable, and a Motherboard upgrade path that goes all the way to Zen 2 should you plan to replace it with a more powerful chipset. (upcoming 3000)

If u want good pure gaming system, save some cash, get a bit more powerfull cpu instead of 9400f.

Yes, 9400F give u more frame rate but rather than that, u should upgrade ur gpu first to 2060, 2070 or 1080 for future prove. Those 3 will give u more big impact rather than 2600 to 9400f.

2060 also can play on 1440.

For info:
120+ Hz monitor: i5-9400F
Monitor below 120 Hz: R5 2600

Not really.

The case where Intel gives more framerate or not depends on the game and more importantly the graphics card.

High end graphics cards on certain titles, yes it does but not when you're on GTX 1060 as in his signature.

Not true either.

Refresh rate has nothing to do with your processor.

As long as your graphics card vs game and getting the fps needed it's good to go.

No. I was looking to upgrade from i5 3570 and decided to go AMD instead of stocking with Intel for over 20 years. 😁

All I need now is freesync monitor. Not going to use nvidia gou for the time being though. The last I use nvidia was geforce 6xxx.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 20 2019, 06:09 PM

I am using 2600 with vega 56, works in every game without an issue like CSGO, apex, pubg. FPS consistently above 100, and I have a freesync monitor too.

Your 2600 should last you awhile, upgrading to 9400f you wont even see much improvement, which isnt really worth it for the hassle. I managed to overclock my 2600 to 4.1 and I see a boost in a lot of things.

Again, when I first posted this, I was using i5 3570.

so this thread is useless already? hahaha

I posted it 2 days before I went to buy ryzen 2600. 😁

You dont need vega 56 for games you're playing. Swap with my rx 580 as it's barely enough for Total War. 😁

2600 is a good choice!

i still play black desert online lol i tried 580 it didnt work as well. i actually bought the vega before the 2600

Ouh haha. Im confused.

i5 3570 to r5 2600. Good choice.

For a gpu, which one u use now? vega or geforce 6xxx?

RX 580. Vega price in Malaysia still expensive. AMD price here is not for poor people like last time. 😂

so other then less stutter,not much different right?
bcause i also using i5 3570 thinking to upgrade to ryzen 2600 ..guess ill wait for ryzen 3000 la then =)

Depends on games. In Total War games certainly much better. With i5 3570 I have to turn off everything running on the background, run the games with game booster etc. I dont need to use that anymore with ryzen (due to more cores and threads).

When I stream on Twitch last time (with i5) the output is so laggy. Havent tested with ryzen but will probably be much better.

In terms of pure gaming performance, maybe gain a little fps but not much. What's your graphic card?

In any case, if you can wait then it's not that long though maybe the high end will be out early while the mid range might be oit few months later.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Mar 28 2019, 07:02 AM

using gtx 1060 6gb....coolermaster just sent me am4 bracket for my 212x....haha

Ok, just curious. It says 2600 booat can go to 3.9 but in all my gameplay it usually around 3.65. Occasionally ot goes to 3.7 but cant remember goes further than that. Is there something missing? Or some bios set up I need to enable?

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Apr 1 2019, 07:49 PM

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/16.html
depends on the workload and only if your cpu heatsink have more thermal headroom

Do streaming increase cpu temp? Yesterday (during heavy rain where room temp is cool) when I stream the cpu temp raise over 80c. Usually when normal gaming never raise above 75c.

Its the heatsink.

Prime95 for 10 mins on Ryzen 5 2600. Using Noctua NH-L12S.


Ignore that 5Ghz+. HWmonitor bug.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Apr 3 2019, 09:39 AM

So if I replace with better aftermarket cooler technically it can boost further?

Yes, good aftermarket cooler enables longer boost. Infinite 3.9Ghz if it keeps low temperature.

Turbo boost these days very dependant with cooler and VRM on the motherboard.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Apr 3 2019, 10:09 AM

Steam/origin broadcast use only CPU at the moment, so it does increase workload.
OBS can be configured to use GPU, or secondary GPU to stream.

Some reviews said it gains more fps (10fps+) in some games compared with r5 2600

Depends on games. Those cpu intensive games sure perform better.

Hello, GPU: SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon™ RX 580 8GB GDDR5 or ZOTAC GTX1660TI AMP 6GB GDDR5? which one better?

Seems like GTX 1660 Ti better haha

Definitely GTX 1660Ti better, but price much higher than RX 580... So, depend on your requirements, choose the right one for your needs.

I just bought 9400F. I think it's value for money. Better performance than i5-8500, but with cheaper price. A big recommendation for midrange upgrade!

The CPU prices for i5-9400F and Ryzen 5 2600 dropped quite fast recently. Now i5-9400F just RM 660 and Ryzen 5 2600 is RM 640, the gap of these 2 CPU is closing up...

Yes. That was my first thought. If just for now as it is then 9400f is certainly a good option. However I went with Ryzen because of the upgrade path. With 9400f, I surely will buy a non OC mobo so upgrading later to 9700k or even 9900k will be a waste. It maybe 5 years later before I cpu next so my current Ryzen board will allow me to go Zen 2 (or maybe Zen 2+?).

Maybe by the time of Zen 3 or 4 in 5 years time the coming Zen 2 will be much cheaper upgrade.

you could get the ryzen 2600, and get div2 code, and sell the code for 100? or 80? you could potentially buy the 2600 for 540.

The free game promotion (Div2) seems closed already, but I believe AMD would launch new promotion soon. Right now Intel i5-9400F should be the right option for those don't OC.

it's still a good price lol. probably borderlands code soon

the power efficiency for this CPU is just damn nice.

My old system:
C2Q Q9550 + GTX 670, idle around 120 watts, youtubing around 160 watts, high load around 300 watts

New system:
i5-9400F + GTX 1660, idle around 40 watts, youtubing around 50 watts, high load around 180 watts

That's more than 50% reduction electricity bill on average usage

Anyone can recommend good/cheap thermal paste? About to replace my wraith spire with wraith prism.

Noctua NT-H1 I believe. Pretty good all rounder thermal compound. Not sure about the price but it's affordable.

Sunway piramid got selling? Or IOI city mall? Not sure if the digital area at ioi puchong already open or not. Malas nak drive to kl/pj.

C-zone in IOI City mall should have. But I suppose call them or All IT before you go.

I just realized that there are few pc shops around bandar puteri.😁

Might check with them if they have. Doesnt matter if few ringgit more but can save on toll, petrol, parking and more importantly, time.

If want choose AMD Ryzen, best price now is model Ryzen 7 1700 and 1700X. Clear stock box sealed set RM6XX.

Unbeatable price.

Already bought 2600 last month.

Link for 1700x at rm6xx?

RM 699 for 1700 and RM 719 for 1700x, both items from Dotatech either in Shopee or Lazada.

Thanks for the heads-up! Great deal for older model... For those worried about budget.